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Society|Fri, Apr. 03 2009 11:30 AM EDT

Iowa Court Legalizes Gay Marriage

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

Same-sex marriage has been legalized in Iowa.

In a unanimous ruling Friday, the Iowa Supreme Court decided that the 1998 Defense of Marriage Act, which limited marriage to a man and a woman, was unconstitutional.

"The court reaffirmed that a statute inconsistent with the Iowa Constitution must be declared void, even though it may be supported by strong and deep-seated traditional beliefs and popular opinion," the justices said in a summary of the ruling.

"Equal protection under the Iowa Constitution 'is essentially a direction that all persons similarly situated should be treated alike,'" they added. "Since territorial times, Iowa has given meaning to this constitutional provision, striking blows to slavery and segregation, and recognizing women’s rights. The court found the issue of same-sex marriage comes to it with the same importance as the landmark cases of the past."

Iowa is the third state to allow same-sex marriage, after Massachusetts and Connecticut.

The four-year legal dispute began in December 2005 when a lawsuit was filed on behalf of six same-sex couples demanding marriage licenses.

A district court judge ruled in 2007 that the Defense of Marriage Act was unconstitutional. The state Supreme Court upheld that ruling.

Same-sex marriage proponents celebrated Friday's ruling, surprised that the decision came more quickly than anticipated.

Meanwhile, opponents criticized the decision, especially for overturning what Iowans had supported.

"The Iowa marriage law was simple, settled, and overwhelmingly supported by Iowans," said Douglas Napier, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund. "There was simply no legitimate reason for the court to redefine marriage."

"The court stepped outside of its proper role of interpreting the law and has instead overruled the will of the people and created new law," he added. "Marriage as one man and one woman has been the law in Iowa for 170 years. The Defense of Marriage Act was nearly unanimously supported by the legislature when it was passed. It was supported by the governor and a majority of Iowans."

The court's decision is expected to take effect in about 21 days.

The gay marriage affirmation comes on the heels of a Vermont House vote that favored legalizing marriage for same-sex couples. On Thursday, the Vermont House of Representatives voted 95-52 to allow same-sex marriage. Gov. Jim Douglas said he plans to veto the legislation.

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  • JayC »
    Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    According to the Bible, marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Gay marriage/same-sex marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. As Christians, we are not to condone or ignore sin. Rather, we are to share the love of God and the forgiveness of sins that is available to all, including homosexuals, through Jesus Christ. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15)www.gotquestions.org

  • Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I wonder why everyone is placing so much emphasis on sexuality in regards to the legal marriage issue. Legal marriage allows two people to be married, regardless of their sexual preference. There's nothing to say that married people do or must engage in sexual activity.

    Even in states that do not permit same-sex marriage, a gay man could legally marry a lesbian woman and be entitled to all the privileges that legal marriage provides.

    All legal marriage does is assign a set of privileges -- power of attorney, tax arrangements, asset management arrangements, etc. -- to two people. Isn't legal marriage, in so many words, a form of business arrangement?

    That said, I realize that legal marriage is specifically distinct from religious marriage -- which does prescribe a set of moral behaviors for the wedded couple -- but our courts have never discussed religious marriage.

    So again, why are we talking so much about sexuality, when legal marriage does not have anything to do with sex? (In many "no-fault" divorce states, divorce does not even require sexual unfaithfulness.)

  • Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Yes they are.

  • Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    No....they're not actually....the Bible is retranslated using people's best attempts at translating words, but they do not include historical documents in their translations.

  • Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The historical accuracies of the Bible are supported by outside documents.

  • Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:18 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Any historical document can shed some light, but is better understood when it can be put into context by other supporting documents. Understanding the cultural perspective, as described from other texts, it important to understanding the messages of the Bible.

  • Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "Prophet, no, its not. It can be very cryptic. Funny, all three times I've been flagged there's been a post from you right after. Can't take the heat? Grow up man."
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    1. Yes, it is a very accurate historical document.
    2. I didn't flag you.
    3. Contact CP to find out who is.

  • Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:59 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, no, its not. It can be very cryptic. Funny, all three times I've been flagged there's been a post from you right after. Can't take the heat? Grow up man.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Yea no, you're quoting the Bible."

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    Exactly. And the Bible is a very accurate historical document.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I did go back into the history. God created marriage for a man and a woman. It's all right there in historical text.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:18 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Yes, Prophet, it certainly has pieces of history in it. The problem is, however, that you need to go back to the ORIGINAL text and support it with other pieces of historical text, then you can say "my gosh, this really did happen!" or "my gosh, so THIS is what he was saying, not THAT!" YOU choose not to do that, then you claim you put it in historical context. Historical context doesn't mean you read a text then pretend it means whatever you and your cronies want it to mean.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "I was referring to the historical context piece. The way you described it simply doesn't work. Historical context looks outside of the Bible. Its not something carnal, so don't even go there. Its simply using the wonderful brains God blessed us with to better understand his Word."

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    The Bible is an extremely accurat historical book. It's as accurate as any other historical book on ancient history. So, I am speaking historically.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:27 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I was referring to the historical context piece. The way you described it simply doesn't work. Historical context looks outside of the Bible. Its not something carnal, so don't even go there. Its simply using the wonderful brains God blessed us with to better understand his Word.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Prophet, you didn't use my argument against me. You tried, but it didn't make sense. So sorry!"

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    Oh. Ok. Jesus said that marriage was between a man and a woman. To say that Jesus didn't say a man and a woman ONLY doesn't make sense. Because marriage is between a man and a woman only. The way God designed it.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, you didn't use my argument against me. You tried, but it didn't make sense. So sorry!

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:03 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Wrong. Paul didn't say pagan rituals ONLY. "

    Really? Prove it.

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:02 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "And looking at historical context, when Jesus said that marriage was between a man and a woman, he meant only a man and a woman, since He was speaking in the historical context of how God created marriage...between a man and a woman."

    Paul actually was in favor of celibacy over marriage of any kind. Jesus never said that marriage was ONLY between a man and a woman, why make things up?

  • Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "But it all comes down to the fact that Paul didn't say "pagan homosexual rituals only". "

    No it comes down to the fact that he didn't say others.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    But it all comes down to the fact that Paul didn't say "pagan homosexual rituals only".

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Prophet, you take something I say and attempt to apply it to a completely different situation. Doesn't work. Sorry."

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    I know. You hate it when you're own argument is used against you. Be careful of what you cook, you may have to eat it someday.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, you take something I say and attempt to apply it to a completely different situation. Doesn't work. Sorry.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    And looking at historical context, when Jesus said that marriage was between a man and a woman, he meant only a man and a woman, since He was speaking in the historical context of how God created marriage...between a man and a woman.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Right, but he most certainly never said "homosexual couples." You need to look at historical context to come to a true understanding. Otherwise its like looking at a piece of a puzzle and pretending you have finished it.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike,

    "Paul's ministry to the Gentiles was focused on Pagan ritual orgies in which straight people would have sex with their same sex counterparts (ergo doing something unnatural/unseemly.) To try and equate what Paul spoke of with a committed gay relationship is blatantly misusing scripture."

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    Wrong. Paul didn't say pagan rituals ONLY.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Oh I do choose life, just not the one you have doctored for me.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Jehovah, you're wrong. I know plenty of straight people without a bias who believe the Bible says nothing about a gay relationship. You take Paul's words out of context and attempt to stretch them into something they're not. As I've said many times before, he was speaking specifically to temple prostitution, not gay relationships.

  • Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:28 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Paul's ministry to the Gentiles was focused on Pagan ritual orgies in which straight people would have sex with their same sex counterparts (ergo doing something unnatural/unseemly.) To try and equate what Paul spoke of with a committed gay relationship is blatantly misusing scripture.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ukulelemike,

    Amen.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The bottom line to all this is, the world will do as the world chooses to do-we can fight it, but the world is of the devil, the god of this world, and will follow his ways. We really shouldn't be shocked at that. What we should do is just refuse to take part in it. As we see the day approaching, men will wax worse and worse, and the policies of worldly governments will match that wickedness. As Christians, we should speak against it, and stand against it, but don't expect it to change-we can't remake the world in God's image: that's reconstructionism. The Lord Jesus will set all right when He returns. Until then, expect worse things to happen, and be prepared, Christians, to be seen in a worse light as they do. It will soon cost us more than ever before in this country, to be a faithful Christian. Who will be the first pastor to go to prison for refusing to perform a homosexual wedding? It'll come soon, mark my words!

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Jesus never mentions gay people at all."

    Why would he? When gay people were found out they were taken outside the city and stoned. The fact that Jesus never mentioned gay people at all means he didn't take issue with the destruction of sinners under the law.

    Now, with that said, Jesus came to complete the law and give sinners the power to stop sinning. This means greed, too. Those who live for the almighty buck have their reward. In Romans 1 it also uses the word "reward" in the form "recompence".

    Are those who chose to stay in the sin they were released from ever really released? After all, what's the point of being release from prison if you choose to stay in prison?

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hohnson,

    "God's point of view.
    When I read the gospels, I find several passages where Jesus is asked about eternal life. How do I get it? Jesus talks about giving away ALL your possessions and giving to the poor."


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    Actually, that's only part true. There are three instances where someone asks Jesus about eternal life. To one He says to give away everything he has and give it to the poor. To another He says to simply love his neighbor as himself, and to another he says to be born again.

    What is Jesus doing? Why three different answers? To be truly a Christian, we are to give Him what matters most to us. To the rich man, He told Him to give him his money. To the lawyer, He told him to give Him his pride, to the pharisee He told him to give Him his man-made knowledge.

    Whether it's money, or television, or pride, anger, material things, time, knowledge....whatever matters most to you...give it to Him.

  • Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think everyone would agree that only God's point of view ultimately matters. The question is trying to know God's point of view.
    When I read the gospels, I find several passages where Jesus is asked about eternal life. How do I get it? Jesus talks about giving away ALL your possessions and giving to the poor. Why aren't we following this advice? Those of you reading this at least have a computer, including myself. Why don't we listen? I know that we'll say, "This is why Jesus died for us. We're not perfect, we are sinners."
    Ok, then, why is this not good enough for gay people? Jesus never mentions gay people at all. He negatively mentions the rich and having many possessions over and over again. Why is being gay so much worse than being rich? How can you say that a "true" follower of Jesus would not partake in homosexual perversion but without any moral qualms at all can drive his Lexus to the jewelry store to buy his wife jewelry that costs more than what some make in a year?
    ANSWER: Our culture has deemed that sex is dirty and being extraordinarily rich while others starve is fine. In fact, it's better than fine, it's the "American Dream." Your high moral code when it comes to homosexuals, the idea that this is so awfully important to God, is your own human point of view, not God's.

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "I dont think I'm being anti-Christian, just pointing out there are other faiths and other points of view."

    The only one that matters is God's point of view. Each of us will be accountable for if we understood and submitted to HIS point of view. No other point of view will mean anything at judgement....

  • Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "Christian legislators were also among those who voted to end marriage discrimination in VT."

    The leaders of God's chosen people got the crowd to yell "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" Religious leaders (Jewish politicians) betrayed Christ then as or "Christian legislators" do today. So, what's your point? Do you think a bunch of men somehow invalidate the plain as greek word of God?

    Rom 1:26 Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;
    Rom 1:27 and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving.

    "also the males having left the natural use of the female,"

    "natural" (5446) means "physical"
    "use" (5540) means "employment i.e. spec sexual intercourse"

    "affections" = desire for sexual intimacy.

  • Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Christian legislators were also among those who voted to end marriage discrimination in VT. Civil marriage equality for all is a civil right, and these legislators should be commended for putting their religious beliefs aside and voting for equality for all."


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    It does Satan well, to see Christians sacrifice the Truth in exchange for the admonition of man.

    "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

  • Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dom, unless you live in Vermont how in the world would you know they are Christians, let alone true Christians?

  • Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The Vermont legislature legalized gay marriage by overriding Republican Gov. Jim Douglas.

    Christian legislators were also among those who voted to end marriage discrimination in VT. Civil marriage equality for all is a civil right, and these legislators should be commended for putting their religious beliefs aside and voting for equality for all.

  • Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    According to MSNBC:

    The Vermont legislature legalized gay marriage by overriding Republican Gov. Jim Douglasâ

  • Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Good to have you back, johnzon. I'm glad CP got that taken care of for you.

  • Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Hi all, Looks like my deleted comments were put back by the CP administrators. I would like to thank them for that. I'm sure they probably dont care for much of what I post, but they were gracious enough to put my messages back. I say thank you again.

    I would also like to say I'm pretty certain I know the who was doing the deleting, but I will not name them. I only hope they refrain from such practices in the future so that the free exchange of ideas and thoughts can continue on CP.

    johnzon

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    There is tons of facts to support Christianity.

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "Relgion is about faith, not facts."

    Where did you ever get that idea from? Are you sure you're not talking about politics?

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    It's directed at false prophets have flagged posts on other boards as well.


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    Ok. Since it's not directed at me, I won't bother with a response then.

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:05 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "mickeyc, doesn't this flagging thing remind you of when someone figured out how to post posts and make them appear as if they came from other posters as well as those who've figured out how to give multiple thumbs up or down!"

    Indeed it does and as I recall people who didn't follow the correct line were flagged. Funny how you bring that up. Explains a whole lot that I hadn't thought of..

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Since I am the only one of two on CP who minister as prophets, is that directed at me? "

    It's directed at false prophets have flagged posts on other boards as well.

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon,

    We all get a little abrasive.

    Sleep well. Until we chat again.

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer

    <<allow the person who the post is directed at to have the right to delete it if they consider it personally offensive. >>

    Thats a good idea. got to go for now, have a good evening...

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:53 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    proph, many of us sometimes go over the top a bit on our post, emotions can run high, but thats what debate is all about I suppose, makes it interesting . I know I get a bit carried away sometimes and regret my sometime rather abrasive comments. We should all strive to understand and respect the opinions of others. The flagger needs to learn thay lesson.
    Well gotta go for now. Have a good evening...

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon, same here or maybe only allow the person who the post is directed at to have the right to delete it if they consider it personally offensive.

  • Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon,

    Thanks. The feeling is mutual.

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