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Society|Mon, Apr. 06 2009 02:01 PM EDT

Iowa Gay Marriage Ruling Spurs Calls for Marriage Amendment

By Katherine T. Phan|Christian Post Reporter

Iowa pro-family groups are moving swiftly to respond to the state Supreme Court's same-sex marriage ruling, urging legislative action that would put the issue before voters as early as 2011.

On Friday, the Court overturned the 1998 Defense of Marriage Act(DOMA), which effectively banned gay marriages in the state. The Court upheld a lower court's decision in August 2007 that ruled Iowa's DOMA, which defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman, as unconstitutional.

"This case proves once again that the only way to assure that the institution of marriage is protected in Iowa is to pass a constitutional marriage amendment," said Tamara Scott, Iowa state director of Concerned Women for America. "Iowans need to look to the people of California for encouragement and begin working today to pass an amendment by asking our legislators to allow us a vote on an amendment."

A coalition of Iowa pro-family groups that pushed last year for the passage of the state marriage amendment in Congress at letusvoteiowa.org has renewed its call for a vote on the issue.

In a recent update on the Web site, the coalition, which includes Concerned Women for America, Iowa Eagle Forum, Iowa Christian Alliance and Iowa Family Policy Center, said the Iowa Supreme Court overstepped its judicial authority by striking down state marriage laws.

"This decision isn't only about 'moral issues'- this is a breach of the constitutional separation of powers," the groups stated. "The Iowa Supreme Court has attempted to make law - which is NOT the role of the judicial branch."

Since Iowa is not a referendum state, the State Legislature must pass the marriage amendment during two consecutive General Assemblies before the issue could appear before voters. If the House and Senate considers approves the legislation during the 2009 session, citizens could vote on the marriage amendment as early as 2011. Otherwise, the next possible opportunity for a ballot vote would not come until at least 2013.

Iowa pro-family groups have urged supporters to ask legislators to allow a vote on the issue, even if a special legislative session is required.

Supporters of a constitutional marriage amendment say it would fortify the institution of marriage against future legal challenges.

"That's the only sure way to protect the institution of marriage from radical social engineering by state judges," said Tony Perkins of the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council.

A November 2008 poll by the University of Wisconsin showed that 28 percent of Iowans support same-sex marriage but found that the Iowa Supreme Court ruling sanctioning gay marriages would increase that figure by 7 percentage points. The poll also found that 30 percent oppose same-sex marriage but support civil unions, 32 percent oppose both civil unions and same-sex marriage, and 10 percent are undecided.

On Monday, two lesbians became the first same-sex couple to apply for a marriage license following Iowa's same-sex marriage ruling.

Scott County Recorder Rita Vargas told the Quad-City Times that she thinks many couples are probably waiting until April 24, when the ruling is expected to take effect.

The Iowa Attorney General's office issued an e-mail late Friday that says same-sex couples can begin applying for a marriage license starting Monday, but it can't be picked up until April 24.

Groups supporting traditional marriage say they expect the Iowa ruling to prompt other states to seek constitutional marriage amendments.

"This (ruling) will catapult all of those states forward in the marriage amendment process," said Douglas Napier, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal group, according to the Associated Press.

"I think they're going to work hard to get it on their constitution before another renegade court goes out and creates new law," he told AP.

Currently, twenty-nine states already have constitutional amendments defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

Iowa is the third state to allow same-sex marriage, joining Massachusetts and Connecticut.

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  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Talking to yourself again I see, since per usual you provide absolutely no valid Bible passages to support your blatant nonsense!

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgiven, my sentiments completely, if he'd quit telling those lies shrouded in passages of scripture that have nothing to do with the issue, perhaps even unbelievers would come to see God's truth.

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mickey wrote: "Most people don't buy lies wrapped and presented as the word of God."

    Then why do you keep trying to.

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:36 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Most people don't buy it because most people don't trust God let alone God's inerrant Word!" Most people don't buy lies wrapped and presented as the word of God. hide

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Your ignorance of the Word of God continues to ring loud and clear as you continue to be unable to provide any legitimate passages of scripture to support your views and the only thing you can do is take and twist and bend scriptures to fit your view, scriptures which have absolutely nothing to do with marriage but speak to God's punishment for the sins of David." And your puffed up sanctimonious rhetoric mean NOTHING..You haven't supported any of your daily rant and merely come here to condemn others. Why don't you actually find some religion that supports your weird view of the world? Christianity clearly does not!! hide

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Most people don't buy it because most people don't trust God let alone God's inerrant Word! But those who believe that the Bible in its original autographs is the God-breathed, inerrant, plenary Word of God, literally God's Word do, because we know God's Word is true!

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Your ignorance of the Word of God continues to ring loud and clear as you continue to be unable to provide any legitimate passages of scripture to support your views and the only thing you can do is take and twist and bend scriptures to fit your view, scriptures which have absolutely nothing to do with marriage but speak to God's punishment for the sins of David.

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "I have provided more than ample scripture to support God's original and only design for both marriage and sexual intimacy and you have yet to show any valid scripture to support your point of view." NO you haven't. You wave Bible verses around that don't say what you want them to and then just insult everyone's intelligence you pretend to interpret them in YOUR way. It gets old and most people aren't buying. hide

  • Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:52 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show ""So now God allows things He doesn't approve of", your words not mine! "Are you saying God caused Cain to kill Abel?", once again your words not mine. It sure sounds like you're the one who doesn't get it, the fact that God does indeed allow things to occur that He doesn't approve of. Same-sex marriage is an excellent example of this, God is allowing these laws to be passed, but He certainly doesn't approve of them since they are sin in His sight!" Your rationalization based on your own issues makes little sense. In the case in 2 Samuel the Lord did it Himself. He did just let it happen, He did it Himself as the verse clearly says. Homosexuality is only a sin in YOUR sight, not God's and get so tired of people like you usurping God's authority and making it their own. hide

  • Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "So now God allows things He doesn't approve of", your words not mine! "Are you saying God caused Cain to kill Abel?", once again your words not mine. It sure sounds like you're the one who doesn't get it, the fact that God does indeed allow things to occur that He doesn't approve of. Same-sex marriage is an excellent example of this, God is allowing these laws to be passed, but He certainly doesn't approve of them since they are sin in His sight!

  • Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I have provided more than ample scripture to support God's original and only design for both marriage and sexual intimacy and you have yet to show any valid scripture to support your point of view.

  • Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:55 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "The only one twisting God's Word is you, the same way you're trying to say God caused Cain to kill Abel because He allowed him to kill his brother." I never said that God cause Cain to kill Abel however you implied that you thought so. Do you think lying about this will do you any good? People can read, you know. "So without your feeble attempts at twisting God's Word you don't have one biblical shred of evidence to show God ordained any other form of marriage and sexual intimacy than one, which both say it is one man and one woman united as one in the sight of God for life." You have yet to prove that God ordained only one type of marriage and OT clearly shows that God Himself gave one man another man's wives when he could have just dispersed them. You can continue to live your life of lies, but you can't twist the Bible to make it say what you want. The verse has been posted many times and you just continue to tell God what He did wrong. hide

  • Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    The only one twisting God's Word is you, the same way you're trying to say God caused Cain to kill Abel because He allowed him to kill his brother. So without your feeble attempts at twisting God's Word you don't have one biblical shred of evidence to show God ordained any other form of marriage and sexual intimacy than one, which both say it is one man and one woman united as one in the sight of God for life.

  • Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:17 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Good News! DES MOINES,Iowa (AP) - A same-sex Iowa couple will be allowed to wed as soon as Monday after a judge allowed them to bypass the state's three-day waiting period. Melisa Keeton and Shelley Wolfe of Des Moines received their waiver by 9 a.m. Same-sex couples in Iowa began applying for marriage license Monday after a state Supreme Court ruling legalizing gay unions took effect. The high court issued an order early in the day confirming that the appeals process in the case has officially concluded. Looks like Iowa will have a number of same sex couples legally married before the end of the week. God's had at work in Iowa! hide

  • Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickeyc, if a grade schooler reads the Bible they can easily see that in the account of Cain killing Abel, God allowed it but He certainly didn't approve of it." Are you saying that you think God caused Cain to kill Abel? hide

  • Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:07 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickeyc, I'm by no means telling God He was wrong especially since He wasn't, but I am telling you that you're totally misinterpreting this passage of scripture which has absolutely nothing to do with marriage, but I should not be surprised since you can't understand the difference between God allowing and God approving!" Nope, you're telling God He was wrong by attempting to twist any passage you don't like to suite your agenda. Your prejudices have gotten the better of you and it shows by the way you ignore, twist and subvert the word of God. Fortunately, God will always win which is why little by little same sex marriage becoming accepted and legal. hide

  • Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mickeyc, I'm by no means telling God He was wrong especially since He wasn't, but I am telling you that you're totally misinterpreting this passage of scripture which has absolutely nothing to do with marriage, but I should not be surprised since you can't understand the difference between God allowing and God approving!

  • Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mickeyc, if a grade schooler reads the Bible they can easily see that in the account of Cain killing Abel, God allowed it but He certainly didn't approve of it.

  • Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:29 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickeyc, there you go talking out of turn again, considering that passage has absolutely nothing to do with marriage and there is absolutely no scripture that says God ordained any other form of marriage than one man and one woman!" There you go again, telling everyone that God was wrong and you are right. You can't even back up your opinions with scripture, but you still can tell God what He did wrong. LOL hide

  • Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:27 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickeyc, God allowing and God approving are two very diffrent things! " LOL And now the tap dance begins. So now God allows things He doesn't approve of? Not only that but He Himself does things that He doesn't approve of? HAHAAHAHAHAHAAH Your Bible must look like a cork screw from all the twisting. hide

  • Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mickeyc, God allowing and God approving are two very diffrent things!

  • Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mickeyc, there you go talking out of turn again, considering that passage has absolutely nothing to do with marriage and there is absolutely no scripture that says God ordained any other form of marriage than one man and one woman!

  • Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Is there any where in the Bible that marriage is not spoken to in the context of a man and a woman?" 1 Samuel 30:5  And David's two wives were taken captives, 2 Samuel 12:11  Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. Looks like God takes on man's wives and gives to another man. God doesn't say that polygamy is an abomination, instead, He keeps the wives together and gives them to another man. Seems like God could stop polygamy if he didn't approve. hide

  • Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:34 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "That was in reference to the argument about incest. If you're going to go back a week for an argument, then at least have the decency to study out the comments following it." In other words, incest is NOT a sexual orientation. Glad you agree. hide

  • Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "It says that man shall leave his mother and father (first indication of what marriage should be) and cleave to his wife (second indication of what marriage is to be), and they shall be one." And that is one type of marriage but not the only one. Give it up. The Bible doesn't support your nonsense. hide

  • Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner - at least we're on the same page about the equality of the gay couple with respect to caregiving and such, in the eyes of the law. That's great.

    Prophet - it kills me how much you speak as though you yourself are God. I think you're got a complex.

    believer - and what does that have to do with civil marriage licenses at the courthouse?

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    delanok, the reality is God ordains only one form of marriage in the Bible, one man and one woman united as one for life in the sight of God. He declares this at least four times in Genesis, Matthew, Mark, and Ephesians. Homosexuality was around in Christ's time and yet Christ never affirmed it in any way, shape, or form and in fact a person could be stoned if caught in the act of homosexuality and yet Christ was silent.

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Actually, commited homosexual relationships have been around since before Jesus' time. Yes, they may have involved older men with what we could call boys, but you must realize that in those days they didn't consider adulthood to be 18 years old. Even among heterosexual is was very acceptable for an older man to marry a girl even in her pre-teens. So when homosexuals argue that the Greeks and Romans were involved in pedophilia, that is wrong. They argue that we use "homosexuality" in today's terms, not in what it meant back then. But then they turn around and use "pedophilia" in today's terms instead of back then.

    Committed gay relationships have been around since pre-Christ era. And God finds homosexuality, whether committed or not, as an abomination, and a perversion of His original design.

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Hi d, the concept of monogamous gay couples does not necessitate that God's Word must change. God's Word is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I, do though agree, that if gay folks do choose to settle down and become each others primary care provider and seek those legal rights, then indeed they should be granted those legal rights, as with any two people that seek to be the primary care provider for another. Civil unions and strengthening domestic partnership do this.

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "NO where does the Bible say this. You simply make it up because of your personal issues."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    It says that man shall leave his mother and father (first indication of what marriage should be) and cleave to his wife (second indication of what marriage is to be), and they shall be one.

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mickey,

    LOL. You really don't pay much attention do you? On my comment from Thursday April 16 6:27 PM, you'll see the sentence that I wrote that says

    "It's heteroxual, unless the brother wants to marry his brother then it's homosexual."

    That was in reference to the argument about incest. If you're going to go back a week for an argument, then at least have the decency to study out the comments following it.

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:39 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Forgivensinner, with all due respect, little to do with marriage anywhere had a context other than a man and a woman. Even most gay people used only that context until the last several decades. That point does not, in itself, make it right or indicate that it must stay that way forever.

    It's like technology. The Bible is silent on much of today's technology (obviously) so we use our God-given gift of judgment to apply the principles to those things that didn't exist then.

    The concept of equality for monogamous gay couples may not have been around then, but now that it is I think we should apply the spirit and principle of God to this relatively new societal development. Meaning, if gay couples want to settle down, be more stable and start families we should rejoice.

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mickey wrote: NO where does the Bible say this.

    Is there any where in the Bible that marriage is not spoken to in the context of a man and a woman?

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "" But incest itself is not a sexual orientation."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes it is. It's heterosexuality. "

    You mean you can't have homosexual incest? Since when?

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "but God's Word declares that God's original and only design for marriage is one man and one woman "

    NO where does the Bible say this. You simply make it up because of your personal issues.

  • Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I did read your whole post. My comment was right on.

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    delanok, while I don't agree with the sexual aspect of homosexual couples, I do empathize with the legal rights and benefits issue and I believe many who are opposed to same-sex marriage do as well. That being the case why not push for stronger domestic partnership laws that would remedy the latter and allow the definition of marriage as one man and one woman to remain intact?

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:41 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Prophet - calm down. Why so ruffled?

    Do you even read my full posts? You continually misrepresent what I say, as if you don't even understand what I'm writing. I can't keep up with constantly correctly you so go ahead and believe whatever you want about me. (It's abundantly clear that's what you're going to do anyway.)

    But why will you not answer my simple question? In fact you didn't address any of the points in my last post to you.

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:35 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    believer, we can go around all day and it won't change your mind or mine so we may as well agree to disagree.

    What remains, though, is while I respect your opinioon and your right to have it, and live by it, what you and others aim to do is force people who do not share your view to live by your view. That is not fair.

    You don't have to marry someone of the same gender. But with all due respect you also have no basis for expecting to stop other people who don't believe it is sinful.

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    delanok, but they had to take verses totally out of context to justify their stand against interracial marriage, whereas God's original and only design for marriage is very specific and God ordains no other form of marriage but that of one man and one woman.

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Oh yes! God loves everyone! And since God loves everyone, He doesn't tell them that what they are doing is wrong. He doesn't discipline them. He won't send them to hell for doing what feels good! If it feels good, it must be good. Like the guy who rapes a woman. It feels good! Don't judge him. He's just being the way God created him.
    Yes, God is just a little fairy somewhere up there with a wand granting wishes to all the chihldish people on earth who don't want to grow up and be responsible.

    There is a reason why the last book of the Bible is called Revelation. It's the revelation of who Jesus is. And it's not a very "loving" Jesus, as you define love. Maybe you should just cut that book out of your Bible.

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:31 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    believer, that's what you say now but back at the time interracial marriage was being debated there were many who used biblical reasons as the basis for their position. Same thing.

    I believe one day this will be the same: people will understand that love is love and God does not in fact have any issues with it. It certainly wouldn't be the first time religious interpretation has changed.

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    delanok, the difference is there are absolutely no valid Scriptures that speak against interracial marriages, but God's Word declares that God's original and only design for marriage is one man and one woman united as one for life in God's sight and same-sex marriage does not meet that design and would therefore be sin in God's sight.

  • Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, I think you're talking in circles. Saying the same thing over and over doesn't make it any more true.

    You didn't answer my question: Do you likewise believe that the door was opened for gay people by black people seeking interracial marriage equality? The timing is just about right, and they were the last group seeking to redefine marriage. So are you consistent with your little theory or do you just randomly blame the big bad gays for everything? (I'm betting it's the latter.)

    Don't put words in mouth. I never said gays were "special," you did. Gay are not special. They're just like anyone else. The fact remains (no matter how much you deny it) anyone else's bid for marriage equality will be evaluated separately on its own merits.

    If what you mean to say is that this movement may set legal precedence that is later used in argument, I agree with you that is possible. However, that's a good thing not a bad because any precedence set will be legally correct by our constitution. If our constitution troubles you that much maybe that's something you should look at.

  • Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "In the meantime anyone else's bid for marriage equality is irrelevant to that of gay people.'

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Ah yes, the infamous "we're special and no one else is like us" argument. For example, an incest couple's fight for their right to marry would actually be just like the homosexuals.

  • Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Prophet, that is your opinion only and one that suggests more fear than fact."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    No. It's true. But then, homosexual marriages wasn't even a thought 25 years ago, and even if it was it was laughable at best. And I'm sure that if people said back then that homosexuals would be fighting for their right to marry someday that they would have been told the same thing: "Oh, don't be ridiculous! That's just scare tactics!"

    Um....yeah.

  • Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, that is your opinion only and one that suggests more fear than fact. Do you likewise believe that the door was opened for gay people by black people seeking interracial marriage equality?

    In the meantime anyone else's bid for marriage equality is irrelevant to that of gay people. Should any ever come up in the future they will be evaluated on their own merits.

  • Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I know that homosexual marriages will eventually be accepted by the government (though it will always remain a sin to God), but this discussion of "redefining" marriage will not stop at homosexuals. There are more perversion waiting in the wing to have their chance to cross the stage and fight for their right.

  • Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Grace2, I wish you would stop perpetuating dishonest information. You do humanity a great disservice by doing that.

    Check the sources of your data. They all have a clear and vested interest in denigration gay people. Come on. Let's see you dig up nonsense like that from a respected, objective source such as the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, etc. The fact is, accepted scientific concensus supports few if any of those charges.

    I'd also like to point out two things:

    1. If gay people are in any way unhappier I think it follows logically that they would not be if people such as yourself stopped harassing them, discriminating against them, condemning them to hell, etc.

    2. If motorcycle drivers are more likely than auto drivers to sustain head injuries when traveling, are we as a society to deny marriage licenses to motorcycle drivers because we disapprove of their behavior, we think it's "bad and unhealthy?" Please think for a moment how far reaching the consequences of your "logic" are.

  • Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    delanok, first thank you for your honesty and in all honesty I can't answer all your questions so I won't even try, but I do know this even if you are truly homosexual it does not mean you have to sin in that regard, you can choose to remain celibate and not engage in sexual intimacy either physically, mentally, or emotionally and in fact you can maintain a loving relationship with your same-sex partner without sinning against God if you choose to remain sexually celibate in that relationship. But I also know with God nothing is impossible and He will indeed show you how to effectively live a life free from sin if you allow Him.

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