Pro-Family Leaders Warn Battle Over Marriage Will Reach Federal Level

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Concerned Women for America president Wendy Wright said pro-family leaders had warned early on that the debate over Vermont civil unions was not just about benefits.

"That was merely the wedge to demand more, to require that everyone in society accept what cannot — by nature — be, that marriage can be something other than one man and one woman," Wright said.

"The decision by Vermont legislators to attempt to redefine marriage creates an urgency for other states and officials to protect marriage," she added.

While pro-family leaders lamented the recent decision, gay rights supporters rejoiced that Vermont again made history by becoming the first to recognize gay marriage through legislation.

"I have never felt more proud of Vermont as we become the first state in the country to enact marriage equality not as the result of a court order, but because it is the right thing to do," said Vermont Senate president pro tempore Peter Shumlin.

Lawmakers in Rhode Island are expected to debate and vote on similar legislation in the coming weeks.

The National Organization for Marriage is hoping to mobilize Rhode Islanders to take action in support of traditional marriage through a TV campaign that is being launched at the Rhode Island State House on Wednesday. The campaign will "highlight how same-sex marriage undermines the core civil rights of those who believe in the simple truth that marriage is the union of one man and one woman," according to Brown.

The one-minute TV ad, which will initially launch in New Jersey and Rhode Island and then nationally, would eventually include more than $1.5 million in airtime, the Los Angeles Times reported.

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danpat1_2000 »

Sat May 02, 2009 9:30 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

How about a good sheep. Syphillis entered the world when Alexander the Great's men had relations with sheep,
danpat1_2000 »

Sat May 02, 2009 9:22 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God in matters of faith and morals; thus it does not matter to me that Moses might have parted the Reed Sea--not the Red Sea [not a matter of faith and morals--a matter of geography] but don't believe it has no errors.
believer »

Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:35 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

scientist, and don't confuse him with God's inerrant Word or God's will either!
DelightntheLord »

Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:56 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Oh and Hohnson,

If you are still reading this post; the most important part of the story of Adam and Eve is the first prophesy of a Savior Genesis 3:15.

Also regarding the Old Testement not being inspired by God and the fact that Jesus quoted from the OT:

Jesus also says that man cannot live by bread alone but from EVERY word from God. (Matt 4:4). And while looking in Matthew you may want to skip down to Matt 5:18:

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

So either Jesus is a liar and the Gospels mean nothing or Jesus was the Truth and both the OT and the NT are inspired by God. You cannot pick and choose what you want from the Bible because half truths amount to lies.
scientist3 »

Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:27 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 3

WOW! MickeyC seems to be one of those people who says, don't confuse me with the facts as I've made up my mind. Most scientific organizations don't know much about homosexuality at all except that there are several things that seem to 'cause' it, like being molested as a child by someone of the same sex. Go to LeadrshipU and search under homosexuality and you'll get a lot of truth. Groups like NARTH & Exodus International are not just 'exceptions'. And using Wikipedia as a source says a lot about what you consider a "trusted resource".
MickeyC is what you get when your biases crowd out your ability to reason.
believer »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:35 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

mickey, it's so easy to see when someone has you in a corner because when it happens out come the insults which are totally untrue and without substantiation, but reality is God has released people from the sins of homosexuality as He does with other sins and sinful lifestyles. And to compare these miracles of God to alien abductions reveals your true character or perhaps better said lack of character as a person and borders on blaspheming God.
Daniel Paul »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:05 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 2

"Every scientific and medical organization will tell you that sexual orientation cannot be changed,"

Spoken like Satan!!! Here's the rest of the story. Male DNA and female DNA are different. No matter what you do to or with the human body...men are men and women are women. Now, this is where science and medicine ends as there is no medical proof (my wife is a nurse and my mother was a nurse) that sexual orientation is a result of DNA or any other medical state.

Wikipedia says "Biology and sexual orientation is the subject of research into possible biological influences on the development of human sexual orientation. No simple cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated, and there is no scientific consensus as to whether the contributing factors are primarily biological or environmental. "

So, MickeyC is correct that sexual orientation cannot be changed. Either you are true to how God created you (check your britches from birth) or your not. You can go against God's design and be in something other than the male/female relationship but God has stated very clearly what He thinks about that.

Those who belong to Him do things His way. Those who don't go against His way. Check this out:

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

What you do doesn't determine who you are. It's who you are that determines what you do. If you belong to Jesus you do things according to the Bible. If you don't...well you don't do things according to the Bible and make excuses as Mickey has proven a above average ability to do.
DelightntheLord »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:50 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

Hohnson,
The story of Adam and eve is in the Bible to show us many things, among some:

Special creation over evolution from animals.
The man needs a soul mate and woman was created out of man.
That man is prone to sin.
God loves man.

____________

In regard to your Midianite story...this is ending of the story:

Judges 6:1 "And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD: and the LORD delivered them into the hand of Midian seven years."

Not knowing Scripture well or have no understanding of the character of God, you are confused by what you think the Bible says. A little "knowledge" is a dangerous thing.

"I really only consider the Gospels to be inspired by God."

Well, then that puts you in an ackward position of calling Jesus a liar because he quoted from the OT.
Hohnson »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:12 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

But what does it matter whether the Adam and Eve story is true or not? I personally don't think much of anything in the Old Testament is true because it seems incompatible with the Gospels to me. The Old Testament would have me believe that God gets jealous and takes revenge on people he doesn't like.
Delight, you say "He is God and not man and doesn't respond in a sinful way when offended like we do." But tell that to the Midianites. God told his people to kill all their men and take their virgins home and have their way with them. Is this what Jesus would do?
Is it your opinion that God can do things we would consider horrible sins because he can do whatever he wants and call it good because he's God and makes the rules? I don't accept that. That is bringing God down to our level, like he's some kind of corrupt dictator.
I believe Jesus was trying to tell the Jews that their laws, beliefs, customs, etc. were not God's way but they wouldn't listen to him. Why should we cling to the old when Jesus brought us the new? I really only consider the Gospels to be inspired by God.
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 1

"mickey, plus there are some people who God chooses to completely deliver from certain sins and others who He gives victory over certain sins but not complete deliverance who will continue to struggle with some sins and the temptations that lead to those sins for the rest of their lives, but to say because a person commits those sins in the future by no means says God did not give them victory over those sins in the past. Many alcoholics have relapses but it certainly doesn't mean God didn't give them victory in the past over that sin or that He can't in the future. And the same is true with the sinful practices of homosexuality."

I realize your rants are completely about your personal struggle to come to terms with who you are, but since homosexuality is not sinful and the Bible never says that it is, why don't you just work out your own problems instead of trying to make them everyone elses'?
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:51 pm Agree: 3 Disagree: 1

"mickey, so then you are saying that all those people who share how God has delivered them from the sins of homosexuality are lying?"

No doubt some are but like people who share how aliens abducted them, some probably actually believe it.

"So is the same true for those who have shared of being delivered by God from other sinful addictions, practices, and/or lifestyles?"

I would think you would need to go on a case by case basis. Since homosexuality is neither sinful, nor an addiction, there would be no comparison. My guess is you are simply projecting your own problems here.
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:48 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 1

"Yes, God's work will be seen. He said in the last days that immorality will increase. This is just another example of how His prophecies come true."

Yep people like you have been predicting the "last" days since right after the resurrection. Like you, they were wrong. When I was a kid, the southern Baptist Church said that integration was a signal of the "last days". Nothing different here.
Prophet »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:39 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

"So true. Same sex marriage will be the allowed throughout the US and world and God's work will be seen."

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Yes, God's work will be seen. He said in the last days that immorality will increase. This is just another example of how His prophecies come true.
believer »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:32 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

mickey, plus there are some people who God chooses to completely deliver from certain sins and others who He gives victory over certain sins but not complete deliverance who will continue to struggle with some sins and the temptations that lead to those sins for the rest of their lives, but to say because a person commits those sins in the future by no means says God did not give them victory over those sins in the past. Many alcoholics have relapses but it certainly doesn't mean God didn't give them victory in the past over that sin or that He can't in the future. And the same is true with the sinful practices of homosexuality.
Prophet »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:28 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

I praise God for those people who have come to the truth that homosexuality is a sin, and have sought God and been delivered. What a testimony to God's awesome, unfettered power to change people. For with God, nothing is impossible.
believer »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:25 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

mickey, so then you are saying that all those people who share how God has delivered them from the sins of homosexuality are lying? So is the same true for those who have shared of being delivered by God from other sinful addictions, practices, and/or lifestyles?
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:19 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 1

"mickey, so all these people who share their testimony of how God delievered them from the sins of homosexuality are just lying."

ALL THESE? I've seen a lot more who shared their testimonies of how they were misled and eventually realized that no one could change their orientation. I believe that even some of the people who perpetrate this snake oil have recanted their testimony. The fact the most scientific and medical organizations tell us that sexual orientation can not be changed seems to out weight the few people who think they've changed.
DelightntheLord »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:16 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Hohnson,

I see believer has answered the first part of your concern, I will have a go at the second. I, too have wondered the same thing about the forgiveness of God.

First I'd like to say, God never turns away someone who has come to Him with a pure heart to ask forgiveness of sin:

Psalm 34:18 "The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart, And saves such as have a contrite spirit."
Psalm 51:17 "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart-- These, O God, You will not despise."

God does not forgive one who does not come to Him for forgiveness; pride keeps us from seeing a need to ask for forgiveness. He tells US to forgive because UNforgiveness leads to more sin in our lives. We become embittered and due to our fallen state we begin to plot revenge against another to avenge ourselves over the hurt we feel. We end up doing more harm because of unforgiveness than the person who offended us in the first place.

I was once brought up short while at church during the teaching, the Pastor said, " If your response to a hurtful situation is "how dare they treat me like such" we are in the sin of pride. We become too easily offended in our pride when we believe others should treat us well and demand that they do.

God doesn't share our sinful, fallen nature and He calls all to repentance, knowing only a few will genuinely repent. God is Holy and Just and cannot dwell with sin and pride found in man's nature. He desires fellowship with us but we need forgiveness of sin and a new nature through a new birth in the Holy Spirit.

I don't know if I have answered this but do understand our propensity to bring God down to our level in an effort to understand Him...but remember He is God and not man and doesn't respond in a sinful way when offended like we do. God, in His nature forgives all who repent.
believer »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:37 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

mickey, so all these people who share their testimony of how God delievered them from the sins of homosexuality are just lying.
believer »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

hohn, Adam and Eve did know better simply because God told them not to eat from the tree. A person does not need to understand why something is right or wrong to know when they are told not to do something to not do it . Plus, all sin has consequences and the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve are still with us today.
Hohnson »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:18 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Does Jesus really care if one believes in the Adam and Eve story? I can't see why he would. I believe it is allegorical for two reasons:

1) God wouldn't be so unfair as to expect someone who has no knowledge of good and evil to obey a rule. If you do not understand the concepts or good and bad than your mind is more simple than a toddler's. You are more in line with a dog. If this story were true it would be the equivalent of me cooking a steak and putting it on the floor and then bringing a dog into the room and saying to the dog, "Don't eat my steak." Then being offended when I came back and the steak was gone. Then I would punish the dog and make him have knowledge of good and evil. Then he would probably start feeling guilty about the steak. As it is, dogs don't usually feel guilt and we would not expect them to act in a moral way. How could God expect a man who has no knowledge of good and evil to act in a moral way when the guy was not equipped to make a moral choice? And then you would have me believe that God punished his human children for the rest of humankind because of this?

2) I think the Adam and Eve story contradicts the Gospels. Jesus speaks often of forgiving others. I don't need to copy and paste them all here. You guys are aware of them. My favorite is when Jesus says that if you forgive only those who love you what merit is there in that? I don't understand why people expect that God doesn't follow his own moral code. We are supposed to forgive people, even if they hate us and do the opposite of what we want, but he doesn't do that? Even for a guy he just created with no knowledge of right and wrong? That doesn't make sense.
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:13 pm Agree: 4 Disagree: 1

"It is clear you have absolutely no clue what it means to be delivered from sin! How sad. These formerly gay people have recognized homosexuality as a sin just like adultry. They have put off the old self and taken on the new. They have been transformed. This is what Christianity is all about for all people."

This is pure nonsense. There are NO formerly gay people. There are gays who have been forced back into the closet. Every scientific and medical organization will tell you that sexual orientation cannot be changed, only repressed. Christianity is not about changing the way God made people, it's about telling them they are accepted as they are. I am so tired of people doing harm to others through stupidity and misguided twisted versions of religion. All you do is damage others and you should be ashamed of yourself. YOU are no Christian so quit pretending.
John5796 »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:10 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

Amen Daniel
Daniel Paul »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:39 am Agree: 1 Disagree: 3

"You've more likely heard about some poor deluded gay person who has been brow beaten back into the closet to live a life of quiet desperation."

It is clear you have absolutely no clue what it means to be delivered from sin! How sad. These formerly gay people have recognized homosexuality as a sin just like adultry. They have put off the old self and taken on the new. They have been transformed. This is what Christianity is all about for all people.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

There minds have been transformed from all sorts of evil just like mine was. Our sin nature manifests itself in a number of evil ways. They include greed, lust, murder, fornication, adultry, homosexuality (greek translates into English as "those who defile themselves with mankind" in the KJV) and the list goes on. Those who are Christians have been transformed. Our minds are being renewed just like the removal of a virus from a computer. We are becoming who God created us to be.
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:23 am Agree: 3 Disagree: 0

""The Gathering Storm"

This commercial is now the butt of every joke on every media in America and Europe. It will probably do more for advancing same sex marriage than anything produced to date. When the audition tapes were posted all over the internet showing that they were a bunch of actors lying, it proved to the general public that the nuts behind it were just liars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mQVT2SC3M0&feature=player_embedded
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:21 am Agree: 2 Disagree: 0

"I've heard many a story about hardline homosexuals who have been saved and now lead a normal Christian life."

You've more likely heard about some poor deluded gay person who has been brow beaten back into the closet to live a life of quiet desperation. But I guess as long as you can get your way, it doesn't much matter how much you harm others.
MickeyC »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:20 am Agree: 2 Disagree: 0

"This battle will go much further than the federal level and the TOP authority wil prevail with no problem in the end. Praise HIM."

So true. Same sex marriage will be the allowed throughout the US and world and God's work will be seen.
John5796 »

Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:02 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

"You're such an optimist."

You are right Prophet. They do seem totally absorbed in themselves and blind to the truth, but God does work in mysterious ways. I've heard many a story about hardline homosexuals who have been saved and now lead a normal Christian life. I pray for them and they see it as hate. That says a lot.
SqueakyWheel »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:27 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 9

"The Gathering Storm"

In less than a week our new television commercial has been seen by millions on national television as the ad was replayed over and over again in segments on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, and CBS. As of today, nearly 350,000 viewers have watched it on YouTube, making it one of the top 30 most watched YouTube videos of the past week.

More importantly, hundreds of thousands of Americans have been alerted, most for the first time, to the threat that same-sex marriage poses to the religious liberties of individuals and faith groups. And as a result, we have gained thousands of new supporters to our cause as people continue to sign up on our redesigned website at www.nationformarriage.org.
jester in the Kings court »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:06 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

to mickey, the narrow way IS the wrong way. he'd rather go down the wide way that leads to destruction.
believer »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:04 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

mickey, it's not the wrong way, but it is the narrow way!
Daniel Paul »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:22 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

"I guess he's too busy coming up with all the ones you post. "

Here's the problem. If what I have posted is of the Holy Spirit then you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. You don't post your postitions from the Bible. You simply state pro-gay adgenda dogma. You really have never stated anything that is your original idea. It's all from the pro-gay agenda.

All of you responses can best be answered with "nanner, nanner". It's like posting a conversation with one of my handicapped children. In short, you think that packing more lies on top of being gay will somehow make you feel better.

You can post here till the Lord comes back but you still won't find the peace that is clearly missing in your life. It doesn't matter what we post or what you post. The peace you seek in your life isn't found in other people. It's found in Christ.
Daniel Paul »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:16 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

"Yes it's a Biblical allegory."

Prove it!
jester in the Kings court »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:13 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

mickey must be so high on meth that he doesn't know whats real.
Prophet »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:07 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Mickey

You don't believe that Adam and Eve were real?
MickeyC »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:59 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

"Boy, some of you guys around are sure mixed up. Ever heard of Adam and Eve?"

Yes it's a Biblical allegory.

"I pray you find the truth before it's too late for you."

I can only pray the same for you. Just remember, eternity is a long time to hate people.
Prophet »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:52 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

John,

"I pray you find the truth before it's too late for you."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You're such an optimist.
John5796 »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

"Just quit expecting the rest of us to follow you done the wrong path."

Boy, some of you guys around are sure mixed up. Ever heard of Adam and Eve?

I pray you find the truth before it's too late for you.
MickeyC »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:08 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

"mickey, all that matters is that I agree with God's truths found in His inerrant Word to include His original and only design for marriage of one man and one woman united as one for life in His sight."

You can believe anything you like, it won't make it true, but you can believe it. Just quit expecting the rest of us to follow you done the wrong path.
MickeyC »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:05 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

"Amen. God designed marriage for a man and a woman for life. "

That's certainly one way for marriage but not the only one.
Prophet »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:39 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

believer,

Amen. God designed marriage for a man and a woman for life.
believer »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:06 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

mickey, all that matters is that I agree with God's truths found in His inerrant Word to include His original and only design for marriage of one man and one woman united as one for life in His sight.
MickeyC »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 3 Disagree: 0

"You would think Satan could come up with a new lie for MickeyC."

I guess he's too busy coming up with all the ones you post.
MickeyC »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:32 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

"I follow God's agenda."

Which god would that be? The one you've concocted in your head?
MickeyC »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:32 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

"mickey, so then you're finally agreeing with the fact that God ordained only one design for marriage which is that of one man and one woman united as one for life since you acknowkledged that there is nothing written in the Bible that says anything different!"

NOpe and pretending that I agree won't help you. You have nothing to back up your nonsense, you know it, so now, much like you life, you will pretend. Sad.
Daniel Paul »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:10 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

"why do people say God is against the death penalty? Where do you gather the idea that he is not?"

Ummm... that would be from all the vs. under the law where He said to put people to death. People who are not Christians are still under the law in the eyes of God.

Why people say God is against the death penalty is the same as why people say God says gay is OK. They want the Bible to say something it clearly doesn't. Take MickeyC for example. The greek is absolutely clear. If it was any more clear it couldn't be read around children! Yet, Mickey is convinced the Bible says homosexual sex is OK.

Many in our society have anti-social disorder where people will not conform to the rules of society so they try to change them. Truth be known, it is an anti-Christ disorder where people do not want to conform to what Christ wants. This can be in the area of sex, money, time or any number of things. The sin nature manifests itself in any number of ways but all come from the same issue. We do not want to be conformed to Christ.
believer »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:03 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

mickey, so then you're finally agreeing with the fact that God ordained only one design for marriage which is that of one man and one woman united as one for life since you acknowkledged that there is nothing written in the Bible that says anything different!
Daniel Paul »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:00 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 2

"Silly nonsense and totally untrue. No substantiation, just personal agenda."

Gen 3:4-5 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

Same dance...different tune. Nice try though MickeyC. Yep...it is personal agenda. It's God's personal agenda for man to turn away from sin and obey Him.

You would think Satan could come up with a new lie for MickeyC....
Prophet »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:18 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

"Silly nonsense and totally untrue. No substantiation, just personal agenda."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I follow God's agenda.
MickeyC »

Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:49 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 0

"Amen. God created marriage for a man and a woman. Anything outside of that is an abominatin and a perversion."

Silly nonsense and totally untrue. No substantiation, just personal agenda.

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