Updated 11:59 pm.EST, Fri November 20, 2009

Opinion|Fri, Apr. 10 2009 01:54 PM EDT

Secularism: One of America's Great Strengths?

By The Christian Post|

Though President Obama may have irked some Americans when he told the nation of Turkey this week that the United States is not a Christian nation, he might have helped believers in Muslim-dominated areas by saying so.

Christians overseas, particularly in the Middle East, are often persecuted under the false pretense that the appearingly immoral and indulgent West is a reflection of Christendom.

Now, should anti-Christian Muslims take to heart what Obama said recently, perhaps they’ll see the immoral and indulgent West as a reflection of secularism or even liberalism.

“One of the great strengths of the United States is although, as I mentioned, we have a very large Christian population, we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation,” said Obama when he was in Turkey this week.

“We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values,” he asserted.

At first glance, the vast majority of Americans would likely agree with Obama's statement. After all, we can no more say this nation is a Christian nation than can we call Americans a Christian people or our government a Christian government.

It's simply not, right?

Upon closer review, however, one might be inclined to question why Obama would refer to our increasingly secular society as a great strength (and not simply a fact) and furthermore whether he acknowledges what the source of the ideals and set of values that raised this nation from one of youngest in the world to one of the most powerful and influential.

As Frank Donatelli, the former deputy chairman of the Republican National Convention, recently noted, it's the Judeo-Christian values and traditions that shaped America as a country.

"It's where we get our respect for the individual, it's where we get our respect for freedom of religion, and everyone is free to practice their own religion,” he said this week on CNN's "Situation Room."

"A better answer [than Obama's] would have been to say we are a nation that considers ourselves as a product of the Judeo-Christian tradition because that happens to be answer," he added.

Furthermore, contrary Obama's suggestion that secularism is one of America's great strengths, one would more likely be convinced that the nation has become more troubled than strengthened as the God-given values that helped made this nation great have been one-by-one replaced with self-based values.

As Newsweek magazine noted this week in its cover story, “The Decline and Fall of Christian America,” the percentage of self-identified Christians has reportedly fallen 10 points in the past two decades and the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent.

That, perhaps, is why many are looking to the government for a bailout and not to the One who really bails us out.

And judging from the entertainment industry, arguably one of the most influential in society, the values that this nation grew up following have been debased. Notably, however, 59 percent of Americans do believe that “the people who run the TV networks and the major movie studios do not share the religious and moral values of most Americans," according to a survey released last year by the Anti-Defamation League.

But we all know the influence that media has over society and the people. And with sex and violence in the entertainment industry becoming more prevalent and more graphic, more families have been torn apart and more people desensitized.

Honestly, it's not so hard to understand why the Muslim world views American culture as a threat to their own. There are certainly cancers in the culture that even threaten Christians in America.

So is one of America’s great strengths really its increasingly secular or liberal nature?

For the sake of the nation and its people, let’s hope believers in the U.S. will rise up soon so we’ll not get the chance to experience how wrong that suggestion is.

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  • Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, one would expect this from a man who said his muslim faith has been a guiding force then retracted that and said his christian faith. Either or which ever opens the door. Once in the man of sin can do as he wish. We have only seem the beginning....

  • Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Deterministic systems, ideological symbols of abdication
    by man from his natural role as earth's Choicemaker,
    inevitably degenerate into collectivism; the negation of
    singularity, they become a conglomerate plural-based
    system of measuring human value. Blunting an awareness
    of diversity, blurring alternatives, and limiting the
    selective creative process, they are self-relegated to
    a passive and circular regression.

    Tampering with man's selective nature endangers his
    survival for it would render him impotent and obsolete
    by denying the tools of variety, individuality,
    perception, criteria, selectivity, and progress.
    Coercive attempts produce revulsion, for such acts
    are contrary to an indeterminate nature and nature's
    indeterminate off-spring, man the Choicemaker.

    Until the oppressors discover that wisdom only just
    begins with a respectful acknowledgment of The Creator,
    The Creation, and The Choicemaker, they will be ever
    learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
    The rejection of Creator-initiated standards relegates
    the mind of man to its own primitive, empirical, and
    delimited devices. It is thus that the human intellect
    cannot ascend and function at any level higher than the
    criteria by which it perceives and measures values.

  • Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Will E,

    Secularism is a worldview that assumes that this world - the material world - is all that there is. (This notion excludes the possibility of God). The process by which this worldview takes root in society is called secularization. This belief is marked by the removal of the domination of religion from the culture.

    The Judeo/Christian worldview was the basis for the forming of this American Republic. Atheism would never have made the declaration: "Men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights..."

    Malcolm Muggeridge once noted: "If God is dead, then someone will have to take his place." What he meant by this is that God heretofore had been the standard for morality. Even if men weren't "Christian" they still held to the moral framework of the biblical worldview. There was once a time when mocking the name of Jesus was unheard of - and if He was ill spoken of, there was a sense of remorse for having cursed the name of God. Today, however, anything goes. Jesus Christ has become a mockery by an increasingly hostile and secular society. Muggeridge was saying that if God is no longer the standard for moral absolutes, then someone will have to take His place in dictating to human-kind a set of moral absolutes that all mankind will follow.

    Numerous history texts make claims such as: our “national government was secular from top to bottom,” or that the Founders “reared a national government on a secular basis.” Those who have studied the American Founding know that this is a patent untruth, proved by numbers of Founders, including John Adams, who declared: “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity.”

    Texts often name Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Paine as proof of the lack of religiosity among the Founders yet fail to mention the rest of the almost 200 Founding Fathers, including the dozens of Founders who not only received their education in schools specializing in the training of ministers of the Gospel but who also were active in Christian ministry and organizations (e.g., John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Benjamin Rush, Roger Sherman, et. al).

    I would advise you to watch this presentation by Wallbuilders:
    Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eE3qlCIVeE

    Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLlO4xiiuF0

    Part 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxG4kA1BWgE

    Part 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AanGX7CMXU

    Part 5
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlpyxGTqaVI

  • Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What is so hard to understand about secularism? One can be religious and secular at the same time; it simply means the public square must be neutral when it comes to religion. The government can take no stand on religion. A private individual or group can espouse religious beliefs but a government cannot. The irony of wanting a religious government is that it will be the "wrong" religion, and people will complain about that.

  • Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Read Francis Schaeffer's "A Christian Manifesto"

    Secularization is the belief that religious ideas, interpretations, and institutions hold no social value. When secularization has run its course it eradicates shame. Just look at the Western society's that have been secularized for a few decades like England, Germany, Amsterdam, and Canada. Immorality is called sexual liberation. The provision of drugs are deemed medically necessary. Wayward youth are simply kids trying to "find themselves."

    Secularization is never a good thing. Man becomes the measure of all things and at the heart of man lays selfishness and deceit. Secularization sacrifices national values for individual freedoms.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sorry...that last post was for 'azmike'. Sorry for the misspelling.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:50 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    asmike

    You said, 'What boggles my mind is that later the same evening I can turn on Fox news and hear all the usual Fox talking heads bemoaning the decline in American moral values. Same TV station!! Same owner (Rupert Murdoch). Does no one else see the irony in this?'

    No irony at all. Rupert Murdoch and Fox are all about making money. I'm pretty sure that neither he (or the majority of those in his organization) believes in the FoxNews 'message' any more than his is repulsed by what is on the channel during primetime. Rather, both are proven revenue streams, one from evangelicals and hard right wingers and the other from non-religious, phenomena-believing crowd...and that, for a guy like Murdoch, must be pure bliss.

  • Mon May 25, 2009 2:53 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Secularism is the ONLY path to restoration of the ideals of America!

    The inducement of people into false belief of revisionist history and reliance upon misrepresentations, falsehoods and outright lies to cause people to believe this country is anything but a secular nation is noting short of suspending reality in favor of fantasy, which results in nothing more that a complete breakdown and often horrific reactions by those unable to accept the truth of reality over there conditioning received from pulpit puppets and serves only to hurt those instead of helping them to follow a real world approach to live their lives morally.

    TFR

  • Thu May 07, 2009 1:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Just wanted to add a comment addressing the author's paragraph about the US entertainment industry. During the Fall and Winter I watch pro football games on Fox Sports. Some of the commercials for the upcoming week's TV shows on Fox just turn my stomach. They clearly suggest the secular bent of our entertainment industry, and almost make me sick to be living in a culture that would actually watch this stuff for "entertainment". What boggles my mind is that later the same evening I can turn on Fox news and hear all the usual Fox talking heads bemoaning the decline in American moral values. Same TV station!! Same owner (Rupert Murdoch). Does no one else see the irony in this?

  • Thu May 07, 2009 1:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Anyone who is interested in delving more deeply into this very interesting and relevant topic should read "American Gospel: God, the Founding Fathers and the Making of a Nation" by Jon Meacham. This is a very well-researched and written treatise on the topic presented, in my view, very objectively. The book is recently published and available at the local library. Happy reading.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 9:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The doors in my house do not have crosses on them, and I will state again - not all of those creating our country were religious or christian for that matter. We are a secular nation - with no preference for any one religion. Many people in this nation are religious, as were many of our Founding Fathers - however, just because symbols exist, and because a number of people do believe in some form of a Deity - does not mean this nation is a religious one, much less a christian one. So I respectfully disagree with you. The Treaty of Tripoli, the Constitution, and many other documents show the willingness and need to make sure we were a land of laws, not religion. And though laws seem to have a source in things such as the ten commandments, I would argue, this moral code is universal in most cultures - thus even if one was to not believe in a Deity - one would still think murder is wrong.. etc. As a side note: not until McCarthyism in the 1950's did things such as 'Under God' appear in the pledge of allegiance, or 'In God We Trust' on money. I believe this was because the Founding Fathers respected all beliefs.

  • Sat May 02, 2009 1:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I agree that our founding fathers did not want a Theocratic Nation but not that they wanted a Secular Nation. You need to understand what a "Theocratic" Nation meant to them-they came from one - Theocratic is a nation that is "welded" in with the operating government, i.e., Church of England (Church & State are one) and this is what they abhorred. Separation of church and state is an oxymoron also because man is physical, mental, and MORAL, and it is impossible to separate this wonderful condition (God gave us) Thus, the founders belief in God and displaying it is found all over D.C. and Phildelphia something they would not have done if they wanted your obscure definition. Incidentally the Pilgrims ran from such a government also and take a look at the doors in your house and you will see the wood in it makes a "cross" something the Pilgrims put in them to ward off evil spirits (the devils delight) Hey, ain't that an ice cream cone. God Bless.(Read that reference book I cited and see from a book wrtten a lot closer to the founders that supports a Christian nation.

  • Fri May 01, 2009 2:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    danpat1_2000: I do agree there are numerous references to a number of different ideals - from a number of different beliefs. Actually, many pagan, deist, humanist and secular ideas are seen throughout the nation as well as christian. The treaty is just one piece of information showing that the motivation of our forefathers was not to make a Theocractic Nation, but a Secular one. Secular does not imply - without integrity. It is also not meant to be an affront to you or any other christian to suggest we are a secular nation built on sound and noble principals from numerous avenues of thought. If you would like other references I would be happy to give them to you.

  • Bujo »
    Fri May 01, 2009 12:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I agree with Obama's statement. The Federal Government is not a Christian government nor should it be. The separation of church and state is one of the keystones of our identy as a nation. We all have the right to choose our religion and worship freely without governmental intrusion, even if that means not worshipping at all. hide

  • Fri May 01, 2009 1:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Three tips gnosticgirl:
    (1) Visit Washington D.C. and see our forefathers works and words, God everywhere, the Capitol, the Congress, the Monument, the train station [the multitude of Christianity - see the same in Philadelphia
    (2) Read the book I recommended (over 1000 references U.S. founded as a Christian Nation)
    (3) Move to Tripoli

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually - Obama is correct and is following the same line of thinking our founding fathers did. Read the US Treaty with Tripoli, 1796-1797. " Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

  • Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    One would only have to ask the Old Testament Israel how secularism was such a strength. Presumably, it would be best to ask prior them being taken into captivity by a hostile nation.

  • Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    How convenient a truth - a secular America!Convenient for the new peace with the new culture (since some declare the old wars to be over - v. XPost March 25/09).Think not, though, that observant Islam, and even more so militant Islam, will view this characterization of America as a positive one for Christianity in America;it only will serve to confirm it basic perception of it as godless, and thereby augment the growing vacuum to undertake its own mission.

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