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Society|Thu, Apr. 23 2009 08:52 AM EDT

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

By Lawrence Jones|Christian Post Reporter

The House Judiciary Committee is scheduled to continue debate and vote Thursday on hate crimes legislation that seeks to add homosexual and transgender people to a list of specially protected categories of people under federal law.

The panel is expected to reconvene Thursday morning after a five-hour hearing the day before, during which several amendments backed by Republicans were rejected by Democratic supporters of the bill.

H.R. 1913, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Act of 2009, would add "sexual orientation," "gender" and "gender identity" to a list of federally protected classes that already include race, religion, color, or national origin.

During the debates, Republican lawmakers attempted to include members of the military, seniors, unborn babies and pregnant women in the measure but Democrats rejected the proposed amendments.

Another amendment that would strip "gender identity" from the bill was also voted down.

Democratic lawmakers also shot down an amendment by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) that sought to change the name of the legislation to "Local Law Enforcement Thought Crimes Prevention Act of 2009."

"This hate crimes bill is actually a bill to control our thoughts," said King, while citing George Orwell's 1984: "The party is not interested in the overt act, the thought is all we care about."

Many Christian-based groups are opposed to the bill and have been closely monitoring its status. They argue that the measure could criminalize religious speech, leading to cases where pastors who preach against homosexuality could face the same prosecution as someone who committed a violent act against a homosexual.

"H.R. 1913 is a backdoor tool from the far left and radical homosexuals to shut down legitimate free speech from Christians and others who oppose their lifestyle," said Jeff King, president of International Christian Concern. "Pastors in Europe and Canada have already been arrested for preaching against homosexuality based on similar legislation."

John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, a civil liberties organization, said the legislation is "riddled with problems."

"The problem, which few want to acknowledge for fear of being labeled politically incorrect, or worse homophobic, is that in order to crack down on hateful behavior, hateful thoughts and expression must also be targeted-which runs diametrically counter to the First Amendment's protections for free speech and expression," wrote Whitehead in a commentary Wednesday.

Conservative groups say that the legislation would violate the 14th Amendment, which guarantees "equal protection under the law" for all citizens, by granting special protections to some victims and not to others.

Gay rights advocates argue the measure would help crack down on hate crimes motivated by a victim's sexual orientation or gender by allowing the federal government to step in to assist local authorities where needed.

But opponents of the bill contend that the legislation is unnecessary given existing hate crime laws in 45 states.

In 2007, a similar bill was passed by the House. The Senate then passed the hate crimes legislation as part of a defense spending bill. But House and Senate negotiators decided to strip the provision from the defense spending bill after concluding it lacked the necessary votes to pass in the House.

H.R. 1913 is expected to clear the House Judiciary Committee and be sent to the House of Representatives for a vote sometime this spring.

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  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Jehovahnissi, Amen. It is truth. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I know how many people on here that I agree with on the issue of homosexuality. And it's far more than three or four. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Afraid you got that wrong. YOU seem to be the main martyr here and your buddy believer. LOL" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No. You, too, paint homosexuals as martyrs. True Christians are being killed daily around the world....and those poor gay people can't even get married. Awwwwww. They are sooooo oppressed. LOL. Sell it to the pedophiles. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:32 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "The U.S. House passed H.R. 1913 and elevated 'actual or perceived' 'sexual orientation' and 'gender identity' to the same federal legal status as race. One favorite ploy by those who wish to advance the homosexual agenda in America" DARN, just think there's another group you can't hate any longer. It must be hard for some knowing that all their hate will just go to waste. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:31 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Yes, Mickey, you are not the only martyr on this board." Afraid you got that wrong. YOU seem to be the main martyr here and your buddy believer. LOL "By the way, you too seem to have only three or four people who agree with you." Guess math wasn't you're best subject. Better try a re-count or you can just pretend like those who don't think people are changing their minds about same sex marriage. Sometimes, fantasy is about all you have left... hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Yes, Mickey, you are not the only martyr on this board.
    By the way, you too seem to have only three or four people who agree with you.

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:56 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show ""Yes, now you're not alone anymore...Now if we can get Mike in here, we'd have another one." I am definitely not alone on these boards. Many, many posters seem to post similarly to me. You, on the other hand. seem to have the same three or four who continue to spam each new board as it comes up. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Yes, now you're not alone anymore...Now if we can get Mike in here, we'd have another one."

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Alone" Are we getting into existentialism or do you have a point? hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Alone

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "The problem is what if your wrong? " The problem is, what if YOU are wrong? We all can only do what God directs us to do. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Yes, now you're not along anymore...Now if we can get Mike in here, we'd have another one." ?????? hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Sorry I flagged you. I went to push the thumbs down button and accidentally hit the flag button. " It wouldn't surprise me if that doesn't happen a lot. Some posts get flagged for no apparent reason. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    MickeyC,

    Sorry I flagged you. I went to push the thumbs down button and accidentally hit the flag button.

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ""mickey, no other than you no one has lowered themself to using disparaging terms or false accusations towards me personally and most especially those who agree with God's Word in these matters."

    Ah yes, the martyr is back among us.......

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, now you're not along anymore...Now if we can get Mike in here, we'd have another one.

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mickeyC - thank you for respondin to my post, but the two questions posed to you were not answered.

    The burden of proof is not us as beleivers its on you. I don't know your biblical background, but from reading how certain you are that homosexuality is not a sin, it prove your argument all the more if you could provide scriputures or at least a idea from the bible that approves of homosexuality. If you can do that then you have basically discredited the message of the bible.

    you mentioned in one of your posts that the bible doesn't speak about many things and you correct. Did you know that the bible never says david committed adultery with basheeba?

    No....it doesn't. this because God's reaction to his action tells us that he disapproved. Nathan the prophet was sent by God to deal with David and his behavior, but God never tells David "thou hast committed adultery."

    in every single context you find homosexuality, you find it in a negative context. This is not out of hate. At the end of the day whether you believe anyone on this forum or not the bible is still true and will always hold true.

    Even if the hates crimes bill is passed, ministers, preaches/pastors are obligated to tell the truth according to God's word. The truth does make people angry aand it will be contested. dispite what man does God's wwill be vindicated.

    for you discreditig the bible and its message would be a masterpiece. something to brag about for all time. So...for all the homosexuals in the world prove us as believers wrong.

    The problem is what if your wrong? There is possibility that what we say is true. I will agree there are some believers who do hate homosexuals. This behavior is not Godlike. however, there are some believers who realize that telling the truth can help someone.

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:58 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Just for the record, the Hate Crimes bill passed the house yesterday for those who don't keep up with the news. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Democratic-led U.S. House of Representatives Wednesday approved an expansion of federal "hate crime" laws -- an effort that former Republican President George W. Bush had opposed. hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:55 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, no other than you no one has lowered themself to using disparaging terms or false accusations towards me personally and most especially those who agree with God's Word in these matters." Ah yes, the martyr is back among us....... hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:54 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Mickey I think you are jumping the gun a bit. From what I'm hearing the vote is tomorrow. I think the committee passed it, that's all. It will probably will pass with all the heathens we democrats have in congress and some heathen republicans, the biggest republican heathen just changed parties, Benedict Arlen. I'm sure you will enjoy all the preachers that get locked up for preaching God;s Word. Many will not obey man but God even if it means jail. I'm sure Obama will take care of the preachers family while he is in jail for preaching the gospel." Better read the news a little better. In the end, don't worry, you'll still be able to hate any group you want, just don't get caught in a crime while using your hate speech. LOL hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:52 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Yes, the demons of hell are dancing with glee right now because it passed... Uh-OH looks like poor Prophet is in a snit. He's afraid he won't be able to hate everyone like his black little heart dictates. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Rhi - So Perez Hilton's comments towards Miss California would constitute as hate speech according to your definition, eh? He demeaned her, ridiculed her faith, mocked her religious orientation and therefore because of his hate toward people of her faith, may actually be leading to her hate mail that she has received which in turn would lead someone to do harm to her. So according to you, Perez should be thrown in jail if Miss California is harmed? Now I'd be all for that! hide

  • Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    "Good NEWS!

    The House just passed the Hate Crimes bill."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Yes, the demons of hell are dancing with glee right now because it passed...

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show mickey, no other than you no one has lowered themself to using disparaging terms or false accusations towards me personally and most especially those who agree with God's Word in these matters. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mickey, considering ever since I've started posting here I've said that, it just shows how little you pay attention to others posts!

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "That has got to be the LAMEST argument I have ever heard." Guess you don't read your own posts. I don't blame you, they are pretty lame. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "A person who chooses man's morals and laws above God's is a pagan. Maybe heathen would be a better description? Unsaved? Lost?" All of those certainly describe you,based on your usual posts. But you'll use God again when it suits your needs. LOL hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:14 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Good NEWS! The House just passed the Hate Crimes bill. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ""I do deal with that. A pagan citing pagan laws. What's to deal with, other than the fact that it's still a sin. "

    I see that name calling and lying about another are part of your "religion". LOL Not a surprise."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    A person who chooses man's morals and laws above God's is a pagan. Maybe heathen would be a better description? Unsaved? Lost?

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "God doesn't address computers either, now does He?"

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That has got to be the LAMEST argument I have ever heard. I hope you weren't up all night thinking that up. Yes, God doesn't address computers. But he does address marriage and love. He says it's between a man and a woman. And homosexuality is a sin.

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "And yet you provide no scripture that says otherwise and since there isn't the best you can come up with is to twist some in a feeble attempt to make them fit. And since there are no other forms of marriage ordained by God it means that these passages teach God's original and only design for marriage." And yet you still cant support your opinion. Why pretend that you can? hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, making progress, does that mean after I've stated that fact over and over you finally got it and you getting it is the progress you're referring to?" Progress in that you finally admit that homosexuality is not a sin. And, it would follow, that since God never calls same sex marriage a sin, we can dispense with all the pejorative language against it. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, no, I think it is you people are on to, including some who support your point of view one of whom referred to you I believe as a troll!" Funny I've seen the same about you. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Many Christian-based groups are opposed to the bill and have been closely monitoring its status. They argue that the measure could criminalize religious speech, leading to cases where pastors who preach against homosexuality could face the same prosecution as someone who committed a violent act against a homosexual."

    This belief is simply unsupportable when one considers the existence and activities of the Westboro Baptist Church. http://www.deliveredbygrace.com/?p=340 They routinely mount their demonstrations against same sex couples in states that already have LGBT inclusive hate crimes laws on the books yet they are not prosecuted.

    The reason for this is that the US has the First Amendment, while the other countries cited in the article do not. The US hate crime bill punishes violent crime, not thought. I think it ought to be passed and signed into law immediately.

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show mickey, no, I think it is you people are on to, including some who support your point of view one of whom referred to you I believe as a troll! hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    mickey, making progress, does that mean after I've stated that fact over and over you finally got it and you getting it is the progress you're referring to?

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    And yet you provide no scripture that says otherwise and since there isn't the best you can come up with is to twist some in a feeble attempt to make them fit. And since there are no other forms of marriage ordained by God it means that these passages teach God's original and only design for marriage.

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, God's Word in Genesis, Matthew, Mark, and Ephesians clearly spell out God's original and only design for marriage and yet you have no legitimate biblical support whatsoever for you view." Those books of the Bible talk about one particular system for marriage but NOT ONE of them says it's the only one. You don't have anything but YOUR opinion to back you up. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, I've never said that homosexuality is a sin, must be that short-term memory loss of yours kicking in again! " Good, then we agree. Homosexuality is not a sin. Progress is being made. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, you're so predictable, when in the corner disparage, deny, accuse, avoid, or bail, but never admit you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to showing that God's Word has ordained any other form of marriage but one and same-sex marriage falls well outside His design and is therefore sin in His sight!" The only one who's predictable is you. You seem to think you can use smoke and mirrors and other forms of obfuscation to make people think you are right. Alluding to "proof" you've posted, etc. Look, it's over, people are on to you, they know you have nothing but your own personal issues to rant about. Same sex marriage is here to stay, God never condemned it and you can't stop it. That is really the bottom line. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mickey, I've never said that homosexuality is a sin, must be that short-term memory loss of yours kicking in again!

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show mickey, God's Word in Genesis, Matthew, Mark, and Ephesians clearly spell out God's original and only design for marriage and yet you have no legitimate biblical support whatsoever for you view. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mickey, you're so predictable, when in the corner disparage, deny, accuse, avoid, or bail, but never admit you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to showing that God's Word has ordained any other form of marriage but one and same-sex marriage falls well outside His design and is therefore sin in His sight!

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, I notice you didn't answer her question but could only make another false accusation, considering I have shown you at least four solid passages from God's Word and you have shown us nothing legitimate from God's Word!" I answer her exactly and you've yet to post anything that supports your opinion. Why continue to pretend otherwise? hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "mickey, what do the sins of homosexuality have to do with computers? " Since homosexuality is not a sin and you've been unable to show that it is, they have about the same relevance in God's plan. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Which states laws did God say superseded His precepts? If all of the states approved homosexuality which doesn't agree with God's precepts, would that be OK with God? I don't think so. Maybe you should take a look at your states constitution mickey to see if the state promised you eternal life when you die if you made their law your Lord." Since God never condemns same sex marriage no state law is in conflict with God's will. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mickey, what do the sins of homosexuality have to do with computers?

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mickey, I notice you didn't answer her question but could only make another false accusation, considering I have shown you at least four solid passages from God's Word and you have shown us nothing legitimate from God's Word!

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "I have been reading the posts...and i must tell you its pretty heated, but my question is for mickeyc. since you say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, then what does it actually say? If the bible does not condemn it then the opposite has to be true...it would condone it...can you prove where God has condoned homosexuality as an acceptable form of intimacy?" God seems pretty quiet on the subject of computers too. Fact is, the Bible doesn't condemn same sex marriage and not one verse has been provided to show that He does. Jesus had a lot to say about divorce which is legal in all 50 states, but not a word about homosexuality. Guess the Bible isn't as important to many people as they claim. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "che, don't hold your breath waiting for his answer, considering many of us have been waiting for months to see him provide any biblical support for the sexual practices of homosexuality to include same-sex marriage. " And we've all been waiting years to see you provide any thing that proves God condemns same sex marriage. I'm sure we'll all be waiting a lot longer before you come up with anything valid. hide

  • Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "I do deal with that. A pagan citing pagan laws. What's to deal with, other than the fact that it's still a sin. " I see that name calling and lying about another are part of your "religion". LOL Not a surprise. hide

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