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House Passes Expanded 'Hate Crimes' Bill

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

The U.S. House of Representatives passed an expanded hate crimes bill on Wednesday that opponents say could eventually lead to the criminalization of pastors who preach homosexuality as sin.

“[T]he ‘Hate Crimes’ bill ... will result in homosexuals and transgenders being protected under a special class under the federal hate crimes law,” noted the Christian Coalition of America after the passing of H.R. 1913.

“Pastors have been thrown in jail because of similar laws in Sweden, Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom just because they have preached the Bible on homosexuality,” the conservative group added.

But supporters of the bill, which passed 249-175, have rejected the idea that it could criminalize pastors, insisting that the first amendment protects their right to free speech.

They also note that hate crimes against sexual orientation are the third most frequent, behind race and religion and ahead of ethnicity or national origin – three groups covered under current federal law. The expanded hate crimes bill seeks to add violence against individuals based on sexual orientation, gender, gender identity or disability to the list of federal hate crimes.

“I would think that the followers of Jesus would be first in line to protect any group from hate crimes,” commented Dr. Joel C. Hunter, senior pastor of Northland - A Church Distributed in Florida and a member of President Obama’s advisory council for faith-based and community initiatives.

“This bill protects both the rights of conservative religious people to voice passionately their interpretations of their scriptures and protects their fellow citizens from physical attack,” Hunter continued. “I strongly endorse this bill.”

Opponents of the bill, however, insist that the bill is unnecessary as gay, transgender and bisexual people are already protected under existing state laws. They also see its passage as one step on “a slippery slope toward religious persecution.”

“These laws are already being employed as a tool in Brazil, Europe, Canada – and even right here in America – to intimidate and silence people who honor natural human sexuality and who value the sanctity of marriage as between one man and one woman,” stated Concerned Women of America.

“If a person speaks out against various sexual behaviors, that person may be accused of ‘hate speech,’ which could lead to an accusation of associations with ‘hate crimes,’” the conservative group argued.

The bill is now headed for the Senate, which Obama urged to work with his administration to “finalize this bill and to take swift action.”

On Tuesday, the president had urged both sides of the House to pass the legislation “that will enhance civil rights protections, while also protecting our freedom of speech and association.”

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  • Tue May 05, 2009 7:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Feel better?

  • Tue May 05, 2009 5:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Prophet, what offends me is not your attempts to speak the truth, its that you lie and call it truth. hide

  • Tue May 05, 2009 5:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sorry Mike. I just have this strong desire to speak the truth. Sorry it offends you.

  • Tue May 05, 2009 5:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "large prenatal factor as judged by babies who are colicky v. babies who are calm as could be"

    This would be the child responding to a physical condition vs. something "created in the womb" so to speak. A friend of mine's son had a growth on his vocal cords and had it removed at about 6 months old. This has left him with a horse voice and a dislike of chocolate (because the medicine was chocolate flavored). He's now 6 and we got him to try chocolate for the "first time" since the medication. He actually kind of liked it.

    There are many factors which play into the development of what makes up who one is. This is why I have always said that if humanity is here in 200 years they will look back on our 'medical marvels' as if they were 'leaches and bleedings". Man throughout history has drawn conclusions for purposes other than to find out the truth. Today is no different.

    This is why I trust that the "owners manual" (Bible) is correct even if it disagrees with what I may think or understand. I have been a Christian for near 40 years. I have lived in other countries and have been all over the USA. I have worked in news and had access to many (MANY) news stories. Nothing I have seen or heard has stood up to the Bible. It's when we want to find a reason to do (or not do) something against what the Bible says that we end up in a mess.

    Could you imagine if the USA had never borrowed money from other countries but lived within it's "income"? The list goes on.

    Just FYI, I've had 6 children and have never (BY THE GRACE OF GOD!!!) had to deal with colicky kid. My deepest sympathies to anyone who has!

  • Tue May 05, 2009 12:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    No, prophet, if I post something that doesn't make sense, it simply means I need to clarify. There is absolutely no reason to call me a fool, other than you're just being mean. Why is that?

  • Tue May 05, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show As I've said over and over again, pedophile will not be indistinguishable to any other sexual orientation. Note the news story comming out of WND on HR 1913 in Congress - a Democrat confirmed that it would protect "all 547 forms of sexual deviancy or 'paraphilias' listed by the American Psychiatric Association." Obviously, pedophiles are listed there. hide

  • Tue May 05, 2009 12:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul,

    "One of the problems I have noticed with your communication here is you break the first rule of radio. "Never say what you want to say. Say what you want your audience to hear." Many here have answered what you posted only to have you say it's not what you said."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That is true. I don't know whether it's more annoying or amusing when he does that. Either way, it makes him look like a fool.

  • Tue May 05, 2009 11:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, perhaps not traits, but I do believe personality has a large prenatal factor as judged by babies who are colicky v. babies who are calm as could be. Those indicators have been proven to stick with the child through their lives.

  • Tue May 05, 2009 11:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Again DP, not at all what I said, but thanks for playing. "

    One of the problems I have noticed with your communication here is you break the first rule of radio. "Never say what you want to say. Say what you want your audience to hear." Many here have answered what you posted only to have you say it's not what you said.

    If it was just me or one other person that would be one thing but it does happen between quite a few people and yourself.

    So...do clarify your statement. Do you beleive "personality trait that is also determined prenatally." What exactly are you talking about?

    One of the problems with forums like this is that 80% of communication is non-verbal. Thus, we only get 20%....

  • Tue May 05, 2009 6:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Again DP, not at all what I said, but thanks for playing.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 11:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "I never said sexual orientation was a personality type, and I strongly disagree."

    "you ignore anything like personality trait that is also determined prenatally."

    Perhaps we're doing apples and oranges here. Personality traits are not determined prenatally by definition.

    "The Big Five factors and their constituent traits can be summarized as follows:

    Openness: appreciation for art, emotion, adventure, unusual ideas, curiosity, and variety of experience.

    Conscientiousness: a tendency to show self-discipline, act dutifully, and aim for achievement; planned rather than spontaneous behavior.

    Extraversion: energy, positive emotions, surgency, and the tendency to seek stimulation and the company of others.

    Agreeableness: a tendency to be compassionate and cooperative rather than suspicious and antagonistic towards others.

    Neuroticism: a tendency to experience unpleasant emotions easily, such as anger, anxiety, depression, or vulnerability; sometimes called emotional instability."

    Wiki....


    These are the 5 main personality traits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

    Please note that none of them are concerned with sexual orientation.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 8:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Really? Tell me when and who.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 5:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes they have. Sorry.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 5:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet...no one said anything about the cause of skin color being similar to the cause of sexual orientation....ever. Nice try.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 4:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "No one is comparing the causes of skin color to sexual orientation..."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Like your comment "Prophet, funny, Coretta Scott King was one of the first to make the connection between the civil rights movement for blacks and the civil rights movement for gays."

    And there are plenty of gay rights proponents on CP who have compared blacks and homosexuals....

  • Mon May 04, 2009 12:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I never said sexual orientation was a personality type, and I strongly disagree. You've never seen a baby with a certain personality that grows into it through the years? Research shows a correlation between colicky babies being more studious as they grow up. I was merely saying that not all things prenatally determined are bad, which prophet was trying to say by comparing sexual orientation to every negative thing he could think of.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 11:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "There is no disfunction in homosexuality,"

    I know plenty of gays who disagree with you on that one!


    "you ignore anything like personality trait that is also determined prenatally."

    Personality and personality traits are two different things. Homosexuality is not a personality type. Personality traits are developed based on social influence (so says secularist psycology). The only way to make your statement fly is to agree with James Dobson!!!

  • Mon May 04, 2009 10:45 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    This bill will pass,and the whole issue will die down in a month. Anyone who uses the pathetic excuse that this bill will limit pastors' right to preach against homosexuality is simply ignorant of the bill's intent, or too narrow-minded to realize that a pastor's right is still protected. This bill is all about homophobic haters and abusers who use an albeit federal stand on homosexual hate crimes as a way to promulgate their wrath, and now provides more money to state prosecutors in prosecuting these people. Why is this needed? Because of ill-spirited "Christians" who apparently don't understand the difference between free speech and hate speech. I would love to see 50, 100 years from now when a dying evangelical breed of conservative believers lobby Congress for protection against the 'hate speech' of atheists. They would do the same thing.

  • Mon May 04, 2009 6:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No one is comparing the causes of skin color to sexual orientation Prophet, so its you who very clearly is blind to the issues at hand. As far as the prenatal causes, again, you ignore anything like personality trait that is also determined prenatally. There is no disfunction in homosexuality, but there is plenty in your thinking.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 10:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Prophet, once again, you're comparing things that are incomparable."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Why not? Homosexual proponents do it with the race issue all the time. Being black is a genetic thing, and you just said that homosexuality isn't. So to compare homosexuals to blacks is rather...um....ignorant.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 9:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Don't forget sociopaths who are included in those who have prenatal determination. Dwarfism, mongloidism, downs syndrome, etc, etc. The one thing they all have in common with homosexuality, is that they are a dysfunction.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 9:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, once again, you're comparing things that are incomparable. If you want to make a list of things that are determined prenatally, you'd find there are some good, some bad. Some medical conditions we develop before we're born, some we develop through our life choices. Things like intelligence are determined prenatally. Sexual orientation is just another thing. I love it that people like yourself always act as if people chose to be gay, but can never answer the question of when they chose to be straight.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 9:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The mad flagger must have taken their meds....

  • Sun May 03, 2009 9:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Such as....?

    Probably the same thing that makes serial killers the way they are. I have come across many articles on the theory that genes may have a play in sociopaths, at least physiological anomalies that occur during pregnancies.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 8:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Not at all what I said. I said I never argued there is a gay gene. There are certainly things prenatally that effect our development besides genes.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 8:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok. So you don't believe gays are born that way.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 7:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No, actually, because that has never been my argument.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 7:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You don't have to. We know the argument.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 7:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I said nothing of a gay gene.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 7:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The gay gene is theoritical and unproven.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 4:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That doesn't prove someone is born that way, brain chemistry and makeup changes as we grow. Research points to sexual orientation being a prenatal determination.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 4:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Now using MRI and other brain scanning techniques, scientists now believe that treatment is now theoretically possible. The imaging by scientists (Prof. Robert Hare) indicates that psychopaths (including serial killers) have difficulty in processing emotional stimuli. Why this happens is not clear or confirmed. Prof. James Blair (UCL) believes that the amygdala in the brain is the root of the problem as this is where emotional processing and generation is located. Defects in functionality within this structure, i.e. pathology, could lead to psychopathy."

    http://www.forensicmed.co.uk/psychology.htm

    So, yes, it appears that many serial killers are "born that way".

  • Sun May 03, 2009 4:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, we've been over this before. Just because you're too ignorant to understand the pathology of a serial killer or pedophile does not mean they're the same as someone who is gay. Sexual orientation and psychotic pathology are not even remotely connected.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 4:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    "God made me gay"


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So are you saying that God made serial killers the way they are? Pedophiles? Rapists? Drug users?

    They were all born that way, so God must think it's okay to be that way eh?

  • Sun May 03, 2009 4:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I have a deep respect for people who know that God didn't "make them that way". People who know that the way they were born and the way God wants them to be are two different things, and they strive to be what God wants them to be. Praise God for those who overcome!

  • Sun May 03, 2009 3:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OK, well that's fine and dandy for you. I believe differently than you, so yes, I believe I will be married in the eyes of God, but I am fighting for marriage in the eyes of the government since that will give me over 1400 rights and benefits of marriage that I deserve so long as there is not legislation to say I do not and no valid non-religious reason why i cannot.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 2:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, as long as I am seen as married in the sight of God is all that matters and regardless of how many same-sex marriage laws are passed, in the sight of God same-sex couples will never be seen as married since same-sex marriage violates His original and only plan for marriage. But if I'm seen as married in the sight of God and receiving all the same legal rights and benefits as a married couple I could care less what the civil authorities call it.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 12:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I'm not a wicked person, actually, and God made me gay. I tried the whole "pray the gay away" thing and it simply doesn't work. Please stop pretending you know God's plan for me.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 11:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If you are involved in homosexual acts and have ears to hear, call upon the Lord before it is too late, turning from your wickedness through the help of Jesus Christ. Because of the love of God and work of Christ, you can be set free from the wicked person you are, born again, a new creature.

    Take heed, "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God" (Ps 9:17.)

  • Sun May 03, 2009 10:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer, imagine that you were single and wanted to marry a woman of a different race, but the US had decided that interracial marriage wasn't legal because it was put to a vote (much like you want gay marriage to be.) You are told that you cannot get married, but you can get a domestic partnership. Do you honestly think you would take such incredible discrimination, having your relationship made as some separate or lesser entity, or would you fight for equality in all aspects of the law? Please think honestly.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 10:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    I'm the one that won't settle for domestic partnerships.

  • Sun May 03, 2009 7:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, what do you mean I wouldn't settle for domestic partnership, why wouldn't I?

  • Sun May 03, 2009 3:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Believer, cut the nonsense with the domestic partnership laws. You know quite well you wouldn't settle for a domestic partnership, and neither will we. It is absolutely moronic to make a "domestic partnership" with the exact same rights as marriage, but call it something else so that you can kick back and feel alright. That is not how things work in this country.

  • Sat May 02, 2009 12:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "These laws are already being employed as a tool in Brazil, Europe, Canada " Anyone remember the news story about the Canadian pastor that got fined for speaking against homosexuality? We discussed it here on CP within the past year.... Satan is the father of lies and he speaks through those who say this won't effect Christians in a negative way. hide

  • Sat May 02, 2009 12:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "But supporters of the bill, which passed 249-175, have rejected the idea that it could criminalize pastors, insisting that the first amendment protects their right to free speech."

    Those same people also said Obama was a moderate....

  • Sat May 02, 2009 11:41 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "The only thing the hate crime bill does is make one group of people better than another." Since it covers minorities, religions, gender and sexual orientation, which group is it making "better" than another. Do you not have an ethnicity, religion, gender and sexual orientation? hide

  • Sat May 02, 2009 11:39 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "You must also be one of those people that want gay marriages, but won't offer the same right to adult siblings. " So you're saying that you are in favor of adult siblings getting married? OK, fine with me but do you have a sibling who's interested? hide

  • Sat May 02, 2009 10:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show pony, "Prophet, you must also be one of those people that thinks that gay marriage gives people special privilages." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You must also be one of those people that want gay marriages, but won't offer the same right to adult siblings. hide

  • Pony »
    Sat May 02, 2009 5:27 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    This is just such a frustrating situation. To think that my life isn't safe in the hands of Christians. People who follow this wonderful son of God whose main message was love, he loved everyone on earth. To think that his followers want people to be able to get away with beating me or even killing me basically for existing. If you wanna turn people off to your religion, this is how. Thank you for pushing me and everyone within the reach of my voice, and all of their voices, further from your religion. I've seen your true colours firsthand.

  • Pony »
    Sat May 02, 2009 5:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, you must also be one of those people that thinks that gay marriage gives people special privilages.

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