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DC Council OKs Out-of-State Gay Marriages

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

The Washington, D.C. Council gave its final approval on Tuesday to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states.

The council voted 12 to 1 to pass the legislation.

While the Human Rights Campaign, a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights organization, and other gay rights advocates applauded the vote, saying it was "simply the right thing to do," a group of traditional marriage advocates, including local ministers, were outraged.

"Every minister who fears God should be here," said Paul Trantham, according to The Washington Post. "This is disrespectful to the nation's capital. There is nothing equal about same-sex marriage."

Mayor Marion Barry casted the lone opposing vote. He initially voted with the rest of the council to approve the measure but after consulting with the religious community, he chose to stand with the ministers.

Last month, a group of primarily African American pastors and followers rallied in Freedom Plaza denouncing the D.C. Council's preliminary vote to recognize same-sex marriages conducted elsewhere.

Bishop Harry Jackson, Jr., of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md., led the rally saying, "I'd rather be biblically courageous than politically correct."

While some passers-by were quick to call them protesters bigots, Jackson said the issue is not about gay rights.

"There's a difference between civil rights and sacred rights," he said. "Marriage has been defined by God."

"It's not about hating anybody or against anybody but we're just believing that we understand that society has always been founded on traditional marriage," Jackson proclaimed.

After Tuesday's vote, traditional marriage advocates offered a prayer outside the Wilson Building.

Jackson told The Washington Post that they are developing a "political and legal strategy" to protect traditional marriage.

The measure now heads to Congress for approval.

Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa and Vermont currently allow same-sex marriage. The Maine House, meanwhile, approved on Tuesday a bill that would make the state the fifth to legalize marriage for same-sex couples. The bill will go back to the Senate and House for a final vote.

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  • Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 8

    In a general state ballot amendment, it has been proven the voters will turn down same sex marriage.Therefore, the homosexual lobby and their supporters will try to redefine marriage through activist courts. In time, if the Obama administration stacks the Supreme Court with liberal justices, they will try to make same sex marriage the law of the land and overide the states that have marriage protection amendments. For this reason, it is essential that conservative and Christian voters retake the White House, the senate, the congress, and the courts from the Democrats and liberals who are behind the push for same sex marriage.

  • Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Victory in NH!!!!! Praise the FSM! hide

  • Fri May 08, 2009 5:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Unfortunately, what I have wtinessed is those that have little to no regard for their own life have little to no regard for someone elses.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 4:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Couldn't agree with you more Believer! There is no excuse for promiscuity, and what sickens me is people who know they have the disease but still have sex or share needles. Its nothing but selfish.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 4:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mike85, I realize that and the only thing I said was that in this country it is primarily a male homosexual problem and it needs to be eradicated regardless of the cause or who is more vulnerable to the disease. And part of the solution is that people stop those behaviors that make a person more susceptible to HIV/AIDS.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 4:00 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Believer, HIV/AIDS is everyone's problem because of its spread. Yes, many cases of it in the US are in the gay male community, but if you go to DC, the bigger problem is the sharing of needles. If you go to Africa, its the rape of innocent victims who don't know they have the disease and pass it on to others.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 3:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    mickey, no unlike you I was neither rude or caustic with them. And yes, I do have friends who are homosexual and I worked with two nurses in that same hospice agency who were homosexual and we had a great rapport and in fact I told them if I ever became a hospice patient I'd want them to be two of my nurses. Plus, it doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not even as much as your false accusations bug me, God and I know the truth and that's all that really matters.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 3:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "mickey, plus, there you go with your false accusations considering as a hospice chaplain I worked with several male homosexuals who were dying as a result of AIDS and had a good rapport with each of them."

    OH PLEASE, don't give me this line of bull. "I have gay friends" "All my gay friends know where I stand and they still love me". Did you tell those dying of AIDS that is was all their fault? You are one of the biggest hypocrites on this board and it literally makes me ill to read the misinformation you try to peddle by pretending to be a "chaplain" or some other such rubbish.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 3:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "mickey, than why do homosexual activists even admit that in our country it is a male homosexual problem? "

    I haven't seen any homosexual activists say that HIV/AIDS is an male homosexual problem. Everyone knows it is a problem and that heterosexual HIV has the fastest growing rate at the moment. So where are you getting your information? One person says this, so it's true? Or do you need to find someone to agree with you so you can believe what you want. It is people like you who spread this nonsense that cause the virus to spread. An uninformed young person reads your nonsense and thinks they have nothing to worry about because they aren't gay. It is hatred like yours that is causing this disease to spread more than anything else.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 3:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    mickey, plus, there you go with your false accusations considering as a hospice chaplain I worked with several male homosexuals who were dying as a result of AIDS and had a good rapport with each of them.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 3:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mickey, than why do homosexual activists even admit that in our country it is a male homosexual problem?

  • Fri May 08, 2009 1:46 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    "I am stating that homosexuality seems to only increase the chances of AIDs,"

    Yet the World Health Organization states that more than 75% of all HIV in the world today has been spread through heterosexual sex. Obviously, it is far more dangerous to heterosexual. And since the lowest rate of HIV is among lesbians we can see that those who wish to claim homosexuality is connected are merely lying.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 1:42 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "javo, but even homosexual activists acknowledge that in the U.S., HIV/AIDS is a homosexual male problem."

    And the World Health Organization and all intelligent people know that HIV/AIDS started in the heterosexual community which is responsive for more than 75% of the sexual transmission of HIV in the world today. Those who hate homosexuals or are themselves very closet homosexuals would like to use this disease to promote their hate. Fortunately, no one believes them any more.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 1:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    javo, but even homosexual activists acknowledge that in the U.S., HIV/AIDS is a homosexual male problem.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 1:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ggirl, on the issue of out of state help, I believe both sides we're well saturated with out of state assistance. And while people's view of marriage may be based on religious upbringing, I personally believe that most people don't see it as a religious issue, but simply the way it should be. In other words when they share or are asked to share their view of marriage they don't think before they respond, what what does God or my church/denomination think it should be?

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    Fri May 08, 2009 12:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I was just reading a Fox News article. Apparently, nearly half a million of American dollars are going to study how gay men engage in risky behavior when drunk. But this is not why I attach this message to this particular post. See the link yourself: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/08/government-funds-study-gay-sex-argentina-bars/

    DC is spending money studying drunken gay behavior in another country while DC is reported to have more cases of HIV than in some western Africa countries. I am not saying that gays are the issue. I am stating that homosexuality seems to only increase the chances of AIDs, and the above article will not help DC AIDs crisis.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 11:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The only reason I would disagree with you on the 'not feeling it is a religious issue', is much of the opposition to total equality in marriage in California came from religious organizations in the form of financial awards AND not to mention much of it was from organizations outside the state of California. So for me, it seems obvious that religion is very much making itself part of a very secular issue. As for knowing with certainty the number of American's who are in opposition one has to look at which poll, which company and the sampling error (+/- section). These will make a huge difference in the veracity of a report and one will see a variety of results. I am up in the air on both side's reporting of polling... it is way to volatile of an issue not to mention that the way in which a question is asked can greatly influence the answer. I have seen a person give two opposite answers to the same question asked two different ways.

  • Fri May 08, 2009 10:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    ggirl, I agree that all citizens should be allowed to share their views on issues and the reality is that Evangelical Christians are pretty much in the minority and yet in California, more known to be liberal than conservative in their views and yet Prop #8 passes. Which leads me to believe that the issue of marriage is not a religious issue and that many Californians still hold to the traditional definition of marriage as one man and one woman and in fact a majority of Americans believe that as well.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 3:58 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    believer, (sorry for the lateness in response) I think you should stand for what is right in the sight of god. I think it is your right to do so, and I will defend your right to speak as you see fit, to worship the way you see fit..etc. However, every citizen should be afforded the same. Many do not hold christian beliefs, but by using religion as a means to change secular law, in a way it means many are not allowed to worship the way they want, or live the way they choose in accordance to their own beliefs. It is difficult to separate secular from religious belief - I understand that - but I think it is a task we as a nation must strive to do in order to respect and have equal application of law for all citizens - despite varying religious beliefs. Does that make sense?

  • Thu May 07, 2009 3:57 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    I know what it means thanks. I'm glad you looked it up though. Regardless, it doesn't make your behavior an example of Christianity in the least.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 2:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Since you had a problem with correlationship; perhaps you should look up what the meaning of sarcasm. Here's a good discussion of whether or not the story of Elijah had a sarcastic tone to it.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081129185804AAdLKQB

  • Thu May 07, 2009 2:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    LOL - Why am I not surprised. I'm glad you're teaching kindergarten. Even secularist recognize the sarcastic nature of the story. Are you sure you're not reading Elisha! LOL

  • Thu May 07, 2009 12:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I did read the story and didn't see the slighest bit of sarcasm. I'm not at all embarrassed, but you certainly should be. It doesn't matter if I killed my whole family...if I am calling you out on a legitimate sin, why does it matter what my sins are? The fact that you think I'm a sinner doesn't change the fact that yes, you are sinning and representing yourself and Christianity very poorly by your behavior.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Did you not read the story of Elijah? Lots of sarcasm in that story - please read the scripture before you say something else so ignorant. You embarrass yourself.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 11:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike - you obviously don't read scripture. An I can see why - conviction is too powerful. Several have posted Biblical references for condemnation of homosexual and you ignore it; studies show the unhealthy practices of homosexual sex and behavior - you ignore it; you call people on their inappropriate behavior - yet you yourself degrade others. So, what do you expect. I've laughed about all I can laugh, so now it's time to just have some fun! Admittedly, sometimes it's towards you...but I'll work on leaving you out of it.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 11:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, it didn't appear you were joking when you suggested he might go for little boys, and no, there was no context to put it in. You can try to talk about my Christianity all you want, but what you need to be doing is focusing on yourself since right now it seems you're only content to make excuses for your behavior (God uses sarcasm? I don't think so!)

  • Thu May 07, 2009 10:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mike-

    The posts you provided for Delight were out part of a bantering with MickeyC to see if we'd get flagged. Nice of you to take that out of context though. MickeyC and I were having a bit of fun in the middle of this heated cultural debate, but it appears you missed it or at least using the opportunity to show the world how awful I am. You're mean! You... you... meanie!

    God uses sarcasm, name-calling and humor to show us how foolish we are. As the case is for the homosexuals posting here on this site trying to persuade others that they are Christians is about a laughable as it gets. So Delight is right - my offensiveness using name-calling is just as offensive - if not worse - then you pretending to be a gay Christian - an oxymoron. No matter how pious you are, you're still a non-Christian in the eyes of the Christian church. You can even go to church all you want, do all the "good" things in your community, but you're still living in sin. I've said this over and over again - I respect a non-Christian gay seeking God far more than a supposed Christian - gay living in sin.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 6:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Why you cyber-sabotaging, christophobic, perverted, brain-washing, hell-bent, blowhard -- should be getting flagged... you lame brained, devil promoting slosh.

    Hey, Mickey, we haven't been flagged yet! We're doing pretty good, you heinous, christian-bashing, hole seeking, piece of ...

    Nowhere in the Bible - as you'd say - does God forbid being able to marry your pet or another animal. In fact, it doesn't say anything about marrying someone that's 5 yrs old - boy or girl (I'm sure you'd go for the boy). So this must make it right, right Mickey?



    ***Delight, the above posts were all from Rolln, and not one of them directed at me. Perhaps you'll reconsider what you said and call Rolln out for his behavior now? Rolln, again, I'll ask you, why do you get so insulting when I call you out for being a poor example of a Christian. I am not crying or whining, I am merely telling you that your behavior is unChristlike, something I thought you'd want to know.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 1:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    >>"I'm wondering why other "Christians" on this site have not called you out"<<


    Well Mike,

    I would tell Rolln to lay off the insults but it seems that he takes his lead from your tone and this is just his response to the audacity of your promotion of sin on the Christian Post and calling God a liar. If you were polite and he was rude, then I would have justification for admonishing him, but that is not what I'm observing. You certainly didn't expect agreement from us for your views, did you?

    I'm a big believer in reaping what one sows and you're a big boy; if you don't like him insulting you, then don't bother conversing with him. There, see, all fixed.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 11:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike-

    Read through the story of Elijah and the alter of Baal. If you can find it...I suppose you could say the same about Elijah and his attitude and comments towards those false prophets as well, eh?

    Send me you address and I'll send you a box of tissue.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 11:07 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    You make me so sad. Why can't you simply repent from your sin, stop being so mean to people you disagree with, and live as an example of Christ? You keep saying I can change, then you get like this when I suggest that you need to.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 10:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It might be because they're tired of ignoramuses such as yourself.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 7:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln: "Ah, Mike, stop you're crying - you big whiner!"

    This from a man who says he's a Christian after being told his actions suggest otherwise? Sorry Rolln, but you may not behave in such a way and not be called out. I'm wondering why other "Christians" on this site have not called you out for such insulting behavior.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 4:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ah, Mike, stop you're crying - you big whiner!

  • Wed May 06, 2009 4:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, you are only proving yourself to not be the Christian you claim you are, and don't even pretend that Christ would behave that way, even at his angriest. Your insult are nothing but Satan run amuck.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Why you cyber-sabotaging, christophobic, perverted, brain-washing, hell-bent, blowhard -- should be getting flagged... you lame brained, devil promoting slosh.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Hey, Mickey, we haven't been flagged yet! We're doing pretty good, you heinous, christian-bashing, hole seeking, piece of ... "

    Wow you're right you homophobic miserable bag of pig sh**. We must be doing something wrong.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey, Mickey, we haven't been flagged yet! We're doing pretty good, you heinous, christian-bashing, hole seeking, piece of ...

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Nowhere in the Bible - as you'd say - does God forbid being able to marry your pet or another animal."

    I don't think it does so by all means go for it. HOWEVER the Bible does speak about harming others so you would have to prove that the animal approves of your advances. If you can do that, go for it.

    "In fact, it doesn't say anything about marrying someone that's 5 yrs old - boy or girl (I'm sure you'd go for the boy)."

    And I'm sure you'd (you've) gone for a girl. Actually many of the girls in the Bible were quite young when they were married.

    "So this must make it right, right Mickey?"

    Hey, if the Bible says it, it must be so, according to people like you. So polygamy should be legal, stoning disobedient children obviously and finally I'll be able to deal with that guy who mows his lawn at 7:30 Sunday morning. Don't you base all your objections to homosexuality on the Bible, Rollin??? Then lets go for it. Of course, you better make sure there are no laws against anything YOU'VE done......better check real quick before they show up at your door with a bag of rocks. LOL

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "I'm not the one saying "all" ; you are."

    You mean you think that includes rapists and murderers? Now I see why you have so many problems.

    "You said equality for all - so you do have a tolerance level; ummmm, that's called deceptive advertising in my book."

    No it means your level of understanding is up that of adults.

    "Are you saying that your morals should be imposed on society? Boy, this doesn't seem very "open-minded" to me. Are you being closed-mined Mickey?"

    No, unlike you, I have no interest in MY morals being imposed on society. Why are you so adamant to have YOUR "morals" (LOL) imposed on society?

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Nowhere in the Bible - as you'd say - does God forbid being able to marry your pet or another animal. In fact, it doesn't say anything about marrying someone that's 5 yrs old - boy or girl (I'm sure you'd go for the boy). So this must make it right, right Mickey?

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm not the one saying "all" ; you are. You said equality for all - so you do have a tolerance level; ummmm, that's called deceptive advertising in my book. Are you saying that your morals should be imposed on society? Boy, this doesn't seem very "open-minded" to me. Are you being closed-mined Mickey?

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "I'll just have to keep an eye on my dog when you pick up those that would go to your states."

    I'm sure the ASPCA in your town already does. Words probably reached them already from your neighbors.

    "Afterall, you didn't say that bestiality wouldn't be on your list for intolerance. Stay away from my dog, Mickey! He's too small, anyway and would survive."

    Aside from spending untold hours taking about homosexual sex with men on public message boards, does your wife also know about your proclivities with your dog? I know the neighbors do, but does she?

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:02 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "So are you suggesting now that right-winger Christians and pedophiles are not on your list for tolerance? Is this really tolerance?"

    Not at all I'm very tolerant of people like you. YOU are the one who wants to leave.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Are you being closed-minded, intolerant and bigotted, Mickey? Ummm, I thought that's what you gays were out there fighting for?"

    So you believe equality for all should include those who have non-consensual sex with children and animals? Tell us why?

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "But I thought equality for ALL.. perhaps you don't know the definition of all? "

    But I do. It seems to be YOU however that want equal rights for those who don't have consensual sex with others. Odd.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 3:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I'll just have to keep an eye on my dog when you pick up those that would go to your states. Afterall, you didn't say that bestiality wouldn't be on your list for intolerance. Stay away from my dog, Mickey! He's too small, anyway and would survive.

  • Wed May 06, 2009 2:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    So are you suggesting now that right-winger Christians and pedophiles are not on your list for tolerance? Is this really tolerance?

  • Wed May 06, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Are you being closed-minded, intolerant and bigotted, Mickey? Ummm, I thought that's what you gays were out there fighting for?

  • Wed May 06, 2009 2:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But I thought equality for ALL.. perhaps you don't know the definition of all?

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