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Education|Sun, May. 24 2009 07:45 PM EDT

Liberty University, Ousted College Democrats Seek Resolution

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

Liberty University drew the attention of the secular press again after it chose not to recognize the campus-based College Democrats.

But strict and narrow-minded as the decision may sound, those involved with the College Democrats describe themselves as “disappointed” and “frustrated” but not riled as some might expect.

“As an organization, I personally feel that we've done everything that we can to tread carefully in order to respect our University, as well as make sure that we respect our own faith,” College Democrats secretary Jan Michael Dervish told The Christian Post.

Last week, LU Student Affairs VP Mark Hine informed the College Democrats that they could no longer be recognized by their school due to the stance of their "parent organization" and the political candidates they support.

The group, which was formed last October, is explicitly pro-life and pro-traditional marriage but supports Democratic politicians whose views may clash with those of the fundamentalist Christian school. One such politician is President Barack Obama, who the group had been rallying behind during the presidential campaign.

“We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by Liberty University,” Hine informed the group via e-mail.

“Even though this club may not support the more radical planks of the democratic party, the democratic party is still the parent organization of the club on campus,” he added.

Though the tone of Hine’s note came across to many as confrontational, Jerry Falwell Jr., the chancellor of the Lynchburg, Va.-based school, made clear Thursday that there is “absolutely no animosity at all toward any of these kids.”

“They are good, Christian kids who sit with me at ball games,” he said, according to the Lynchburg News Advance. Similar sentiments have been expressed from the other side.

Since the College Democrats were informed about their new status, the campus club has been in discussion with the school to come up with a resolution that will allow the group to once again be sponsored by LU.

On Friday, Falwell suggested that the club affiliate itself with Democrats for Life of America, a national organization for pro-life members of the Democratic party.

College Democrats president Brian Diaz, however, said an affiliation with the strictly pro-life group could be problematic, especially in cases where his group wants to support a candidate who is pro-choice.

“If we were to charter under the Democrats for Life organization, we would not be able to endorse or campaign for, or do anything for Barack Obama and his re-election run,” Diaz told the News Advance.

Despite the rough patch that they’ve come across, both sides are trying to come up with an idea that will work.

“I am disappointed in the decision by my school to stop recognizing College Democrats, [but] I hope that we can come to some sort of resolution that will allow us to continue as a group on campus,” commented Dervish.

In the worst-case scenario, the College Democrats would have to give up on being an LU club and become a private group.

“We have been involved with the Lynchburg Democratic Committee lately, and definitely plan to stay involved there. If we can't be Democrats on campus, we can still be Democrats in Lynchburg,” College Democrats events chair Marilyn Johnson told The Christian Post. “This will absolutely not stand in the way of our political involvement/activism.” Continue »

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  • Fri May 29, 2009 10:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show That's what I said, believer, they discriminated. Do you not understand the meaning of the word? It wasn't just because they were Christian, that's an outright lie. They discriminated, and that's why they were denied recognition. You can try to twist it any way you want, but it won't change the facts. hide

  • Fri May 29, 2009 5:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Official recognition carries with it the benefit of using the University name and funds."

    Here's a question. Since LU is a Christian college...wouldn't giving it funds violate separation of church and state? Therefore, officially recognizing it could be viewed as a violation of church and state.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 8:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    aveteran, no, in several cases they were not allowed to meet on campus simply because they were a religious organization, in other cases because they would not allow a non-Christian to hold a leadership position, as if this group would allow the chairman of a Republican candidates campaign to hold a leadership position, and in others because they would not allow non-Christians to be a member.

  • Thu May 28, 2009 1:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Reads like moral ambiguity, still abounds. I don't recall so many comments to an article flagged as inappropriate. Be nice to have an option to see the comments to judge for oneself. Truth be told the members of the club may be better off getting their education elsewhere, and worship with a congregation not associated with a school. That plan has served many well in the past, and will continue to do so.

  • Wed May 27, 2009 9:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show No, believer, it's because they discriminated in their membership. They refused to accept certain people as members, and were rightly refused recognition for their bigotry. I ask again, is the Democratic club refusing to accept certain people as members? hide

  • Wed May 27, 2009 10:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "College Democrats president Brian Diaz, however, said an affiliation with the strictly pro-life group could be problematic, especially in cases where his group wants to support a candidate who is pro-choice." No Christian should support a pro-death candidate hide

  • Wed May 27, 2009 4:02 am Agree: 8   Disagree: 1

    Kind of an ironic name for that place; Liberty University

  • Tue May 26, 2009 8:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    aveteran, I'm not necessarily in agreement with this decision and there have been cases when Christian clubs were not allowed to meet on campus simply because they were a Christian organization.

  • Tue May 26, 2009 5:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show believer, is the Democratic club refusing to accept certain people as members? That's why some Christian clubs are denied recognition, because they discriminate. Just as Liberty is doing, discriminating. Do you have a better argument? hide

  • Tue May 26, 2009 10:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Does Harvard allow dissenting views on their campus? When a person with a conservative view or a different view than that a left wing liberal, how are they received. I dare say that a conservative christian would not be given a forum at Harvard. The leftists have had this coming and they know what it feels light to have an agenda go against their thoughts. hide

  • Tue May 26, 2009 7:46 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    tf, thanks for the clarification and do you know why they did or have not gotten official recognition?

  • Tue May 26, 2009 2:36 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 13

    For all those who have been misinformed by the media here is the truth straight from the Liberty Chancellor's mouth. Please read all so you will be well informed:

    A number of media sources recently reported that Liberty University banned Democrats from meeting on campus. One headline erroneously read: "Democrats at Liberty University forced to meet off campus." Apparently many journalists do not let the facts get in the way of a juicy, agenda-driven story.

    The story was spun out of control from the beginning, when Terry McAuliffe, a Democratic gubernatorial candidate for Virginia, called a telephone press conference to talk about the College Democrat club formed by students of Liberty University. The presses began to buzz. Much of what went to print was wrong. Most journalists were interested in scooping their competitors rather than seeking the truth. Even when some reporters learned the facts, they could not bring themselves to correct their stories because the fanciful reports were just too tempting.

    The University has not banned Democrats from campus. Nor has the Democrat club been banned from meeting. And, never has the University or its' officials said that a person cannot be a Christian and a Democrat. Sorry for those who want to run with these titillating soundbites, but these are the facts.

    The students who formed the Democrat club last October are good students. They are pro-life and believe in traditional marriage. They can continue to meet on campus. The only thing that has changed came about as part of a University-wide review of all student organizations for official recognition status. Official recognition carries with it the benefit of using the University name and funds. While this group will not be an officially recognized club, it may still meet on campus.

  • Mon May 25, 2009 10:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    aveteran, then you would be in favor of penalizing those secular colleges who attempt to keep Christian clubs from meeting on campus?

  • Mon May 25, 2009 6:06 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 2

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Liberty is entitled to take such a stance; the government is also entitled to revoke the 501c3 tax exemption of the "university". Do they have the courage of their convictions to financially survive without it? hide

  • Mon May 25, 2009 5:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The words Christian Democrat is an oxymoron. Endorsing a Christian Democrat club at Liberty University would be the same as endorsing a worship Satan club at Liberty University. This is a political party that embraces every God hating, Jesus blaspheming, and every perverted political cause the wicked and godless mind can imagine. hide

  • Mon May 25, 2009 5:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 11

    "College Democrats president Brian Diaz, however, said an affiliation with the strictly pro-life group could be problematic, especially in cases where his group wants to support a candidate who is pro-choice."

    The problem is being an organization which is recognized by Liberty U and supporting a stance on life which is contrary to Liberty U. Please note Liberty did not expel the students or anything like that. They just don't want to be associated with an anti-life political group.

  • Mon May 25, 2009 3:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I'm surprised no one sees the bias of the author of this piece. I get only to the 2d sentence before I read "strict and narrow minded as [it] may sound", and then he characterizes Hines' note as "confrontational to many". I'm going to venture that Mr. Young is one of the many. How is it that Liberty, which has communicated directly with the people involved, and explained its reasoning, has shown "less grace" than a group of students, knowingly attending a private, conservative, Christian college, who promote a candidate directly opposed to the moral principles of the Christian faith? Isn't it interesting that these students seek "to promote the values of: tolerance, equal opportunity for all, and a commitment to social justice" in a place that promotes the love of God [trumps "tolerance" in my book], practices equal opportunity and is committed to serving others as a part of their Christian witness? Liberals seek to silence Christians in the public schools and the public square, and shout "separation of church and state", but become upset when we seek to train up our children in the faith and speak out against those who would subvert that. So, we have to be quiet at your place... AND we have to be quiet at ours as well? What a travesty of free speech! How unjust. How intolerant! And you wonder why I don't think of liberals as fair, just or tolerant? hide

  • Mon May 25, 2009 1:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    I know you didn't, Weekender, but you see, I am neither pagan nor leftist, so if you get to use a broad brush so do I.

    Christians were considered pagans by the Romans before Constantine, then Christians used the term to denote the member of any religion other then Christianity. Today it has come to refer to only certain "religions," especially those that are throwbacks to earlier times. I don't think the term was ever meant to refer to the non-religious, but if you wish to use it that way, fine.

    As far as being a "leftist" is concerned, I voted for George Bush not once but twice! It wasn't until after his second election that I opened my eyes and started to realize what he was actually doing to the country I served and hold in such high regard.

    I am left-of-center on most of what you would call culture war issues, and center-right on a few others. Hardly a progressive resume, is it?

    I'm sorry you can't see the irony inherent in something called Liberty University not allowing dissenting views, but that's what makes life interesting, I guess.

    One other minor point: I can't speak for the other "leftists," but I don't come here to stir up dissension, as you said. If I wanted to do that, I would tell you what I REALLY think, but I would be banned from the site in no time.

  • Mon May 25, 2009 1:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    As I said on the first article, I doubt you will find few if any hardcore liberal democrats in this group, but most if not all will be conservative democrats and I'm very glad Liberty has changed their original decision on this matter.

  • Mon May 25, 2009 11:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 12

    I've never said our opponents are not welcome here, Philo, so please stop putting words in my mouth. I'm only noting the hypocrisy of what they are saying on this Christian blog.

  • Mon May 25, 2009 11:47 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    If it wasn't for us "pagan leftists," you would be preaching to the choir all the time. What fun is that? Who knows, perhaps some "Godliness" might rub off, so who are you to deny me possible redemption?

  • Mon May 25, 2009 11:35 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 7

    Rhi: LU is a private institution, and I assure you they DO allow a free exchange of ideas. That's why they allowed this College Democrat group to form in the first place, and will allow those students to continue to voice their views in the future (though not affiliated with a national organization that promotes the killing of the unborn).

  • Mon May 25, 2009 2:55 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Wow, who are these pagan leftists? How can we silence them. We surely do not need an open forum for the discussion of ideas. Our faith is much to fragile to withstand such democratic assaults from people who have different viewpoints. Where is the Inquistion when you need it?

  • Sun May 24, 2009 10:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Even though they are Democrats, these LU students show much more grace than the pagan Leftists who inhabit this Christian site only to stir up dissention. hide

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