Updated 12:47 pm.EST, Sun November 22, 2009

Society|Tue, Jun. 09 2009 07:00 AM EDT

High Court Lets 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy Stand

By Katherine T. Phan|Christian Post Reporter

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear a challenge to the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that bars gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military.

The nation's top court, without issuing comment, turned down an appeal from former Army Captain James Pietrangelo II, who was discharged in 2004 under the policy.

A federal court had earlier rejected a lawsuit, brought by the ex-army captain and 11 other veterans, over the constitutionality of the policy.

Enacted during the Clinton administration, the 1993 "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy prohibits commanding officers from asking service members about their sexual orientation and states that members of the military are not required to reveal their sexual orientation. The federal law also states, however, that service members will be discharged if they engage or solicit homosexual acts, identify themselves as a homosexual, and/or attempt to marry or marry a person of the same biological sex.

According to the statute enacting the policy, the Congress has found homosexuality to be incompatible with military service. Congressional findings stated that service in the military is a privilege and not a constitutional right and that homosexual acts would pose "an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.

"Congress and the courts have long acknowledged that the military has the responsibility to focus on creating and preserving readiness," commented Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, who was among the many social conservatives who praised the Supreme Court's decision.

Many, including Perkins, support the rationale that national security should come first before political demands of an insistent minority.

"Military service is a privilege, not a right, and anything that detracts from the ability of our service personnel to fulfill their mission should be prohibited," stated Perkins, who called Monday’s decision a "triumph of solid evidence and simple common sense over politically-driven extremism."

"The sexual tension that would be introduced by forced cohabition with homosexuals indisputably fits into that category," he added.

Matt Barber, director of Cultural Affairs with both Liberty Counsel and Liberty Alliance Action, meanwhile interpreted the Supreme Court's decision as a "military victory."

“The military is no place for such radical social experimentation; especially during a time of war," Barber said in a statement. "As polls continue to prove, the vast majority of military leaders and personnel agree. It has long been established that to enlist those who define themselves as ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ would both disrupt unit cohesion and harm troop morale."

Barber said he was speaking from personal experience after serving 12 years in the Army National Guard.

He said that a lengthy investigation over the discharge of a gay service member during basic training was a tremendous distraction for his platoon. Troops were pulled away from their regular training to answer questions about a young man who was eventually discharged after making unwanted advances toward other soldiers and for inappropriately touching several while they slept in the barracks.

"This incident most definitely disrupted unit cohesion and harmed troop morale," said Barber. Continue »

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  • Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:36 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jehovahnissi »Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:36 am
    Barber said there is a difference between people who choose to lead a homosexual lifestyle and people with immutable characteristics...This decision by the Supreme Court should once again remind everyone that ... homosexual temptation and the destructive but changeable homosexual lifestyle must not be confused with neutral and immutable characteristics such as race or gender for purposes of assigning special government minority status or protections.
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    In response:

    First off where do you get the tangible facts to support your position that homosexuality is a choice? It is not a choice of lifestyle, it is "HARDWIRED" into the people who are.

    Once again another poster is simply creating a position from out of a baseless foundation, inventing an argument that has no has absolutely no basis in reality. You can't just state a position in direct opposition to the facts. Spend less time resisting a person then objecting to something you don't like and moreover fail to understand and especially when you not only lack any facts to support your stance but that you continue to refuse to accept the facts that exist simply because your religious ideology and conditioning works against your ability to think for yourself. You continue to listen to ignorant and stupid sources that know little to nothing of what they preach about in areas outside what they should be engaged in.

    When you take a moment to actually look at the facts instead of simply accepting a pulpit puppet's representations you will come to the same conclusion as those of us who do know the TRUTH and then be better equipped to deal with the everyday situations that religion is better suited to help you attend to and thereby free up the time for you to tend to them.

    TFR

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:08 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 7

    johnzon "Weakend, but how was God created? Thats what i would like to know"

    Pretty weak of someone to give you a thumbs down for asking a legitimate question, without trying to answer... unless they meant it toward your little jab at weekenders name... anyway...


    (written by Richard Deem, who grew up as an agnostic, non-christian)
    http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/who_created_god.html

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    55classic:
    Good point you make. However, there are some that post on here for the sole purpose of hating Christians.They are not seeking at all. For those, the advice of not casting your pearls before swine is appropriate...We can love them while still not respecting their viewpoints.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    Here's another interesting one...

    http://www.biblestudysite.com/amzbook.htm

    (Quote from this page)
    And in case you think Professor Stoner's statistics are exaggerated or without scientific substance the Foreword of the book, Science Speaks includes an acknowledgement by the prestigious American Scientific Affiliation (ASA)stating: The mathematical analysis included is based upon principles of probability which are thoroughly sound and Professor Stoner has applied these principles in a proper and convincing way.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

    There are many scientific facts mentioned in the Bible that were not understood by man until centuries after the Bible was written. Science and Faith can go hand in hand :)

    Advanced Scientific Knowledge
    http://www.bibleevidences.com/scientif.htm

    Advanced Medical Knowledge
    http://www.bibleevidences.com/medical.htm

    This one may not be science, but I like it :)
    Archeological Evidence
    http://www.bibleevidences.com/archeology.htm

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 12

    Science is a wonderful things, John, and both science and all the scientific data give evidence of a Higher Power (who has revealed Himself as Jehovah). Creation itself is a wonderful testimony of the wonder of God.

  • Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    This is to all my brothers and sisters who tend to respond nastily to those that believe different than us. How can we expect to reach the lost, if we do not show them love. I'm not suggesting we accept lifestyles that go against what we believe. What I am suggesting is that we are more tolerant in our message reponses to those that disagree with us. We are called to be "Salt & Light", not "Darkness & Pepper"............God bless all of you.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:55 pm Agree: 8   Disagree: 2

    OK Weakend, I get it, the faith thing, dont need science and data for that.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 9

    John: According to the Bible, God has existed from eternity past (meaning He had no beginning).

    It's a Christian thing -- you wouldn't understand.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:15 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Weakend, but how was God created? Thats what i would like to know.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    And since the God of the Bible created the heavens and the earth, John, (and therefore "science" as you define it), I guess we're on the same page after all. :)

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:17 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Well weakend, the answer is science.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    So tell us, Johnny, on what exactly do you base the truth -- if not on the Bible?

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:42 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    weakender

    your one of those I was referring to- can't handle the truth. Thats why you got religion.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "Actually our country does not deserve better, we want our political leaders to lie."

    Spoken like a true liberal. Or Democrat. Whatever . . . same thing these days.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:13 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Blacksho

    <<I'm not happy that he is a liar and fraud. Our country deserves better, and needs better, than "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".>>

    Actually our country does not deserve better, we want our political leaders to lie. There are too many problems out there to deal with, the truth is just too painful. All elected officials lie, thats how they get elected and thats how they stay in office. Plain and simple, the electorate doesn't want to hear the truth.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:56 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 1

    Bigotry promoted by religion, is still bigotry.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 12

    Homosexuals openly celebrating their lifestyle in the military and the promotion of same gender marriage in America are not indications of a progressive and enlightened society, but a declining and morally debased one. Additionally, those churches that have openly ordained homosexual ministers, presided at same gender marriages, and deny the sinfulness of this lifestyle have further eroded the testimony of the Christian faith, but in an age of egrigious apostasy, these things are predictable.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    If President Obama REALLY wanted to end this policy, he would. He would issue an order. Harry S Truman did not ask the court's opinion on integrating the races in the Service, he issued an order, and it was followed. The President is the Commander in Chief, and what he commands will be carried out.

    People, Obama lied to get your votes. No different from any politician, really. But I TOLD you he was a liar and a fraud, and now you are finding out.

    I'm not happy that he is a liar and fraud. Our country deserves better, and needs better, than "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:58 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 7

    "I don't support ANYONE in the military."

    It's a good thing they support an ungrateful person like you, Chicago.

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Lets hope dp, that Alexander the great never had homosexuals in his army (apart from him that is...)

    :-p

    S

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:07 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 5

    I was once asked to give a donation to support the cause of gays in the military. I simply replied, "I don't support ANYONE in the military."

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Weekenderman,
    Good morning!
    :O( sorry about that...

    I agree with Barber's godly discernment about the whole matter...therefore, I praise God for raising up men to stand for His Truth.

    I trust in God Working in His people to will and to do what Pleases Him--
    "Now may the God of peace...make you complete in every good work to do His will, working in you what is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen." (Hebrews
    13:20-21)

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    It's the Armed Forces. An order is an order. As I've told my own son, the Army is not a democracy! What was this person thinking???

  • Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    What Jeho said . . . .

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