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Conservative Christians Warn Against Obama's Pro-Homosexual Agenda

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

President Obama left both sides of the same-sex marriage debate unhappy after he signed a memorandum on Wednesday to extend some benefits to gay and lesbian partners of federal employees.

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    President Barack Obama speaks before signing a Presidential Memorandum regarding federal benefits and non-discrimination during a ceremony in the Oval Office at the White House, Wednesday, June 17, 2009, in Washington.

With growing criticism from frustrated gay rights advocates, Obama made what he called a first step to ending discrimination against same-sex couples.

He also reaffirmed his opposition to the federal Defense of Marriage Act and vowed to work with Congress to repeal it.

Conservative groups see Obama's move as an attempt to appease faithful voters and potential donors.

"President Obama's ... Executive Order uses taxpayer money to placate an angry portion of his base at the expense of the rule of law," commented Family Research Council President Tony Perkins in a statement. "Ironically, Mr. Obama has pursued an aggressive pro-homosexual agenda – but his actions to date are, apparently, insufficient for the radical homosexuals pushing their extreme demands."

While some gay rights groups welcomed Wednesday's move, others were less convinced and left wanting more.

"When a president tells you he's going to be different, you believe him," said John Aravosis, a Washington-based gay activist, to The Associated Press. "It's not that he didn't follow through on his promises, he stabbed us in the back."

Aravosis, along with many other gay rights activists, felt betrayed by Obama when the Justice Department filed a motion last week to dismiss a gay couple's lawsuit against DOMA. They were outraged by the department's arguments defending DOMA – which defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman for purposes of all federal laws, and provides that states need not recognize same-sex marriages from another state.

John Berry, the highest-ranking openly gay official in the administration, said the extension of benefits is not in response to any outside pressure and that the administration had been working on it for many months.

The presidential memorandum would allow domestic partners of federal civil service employees to be added to the long-term care insurance program and also allow employees to use sick leave to take care of domestic partners and children.

Although Obama stopped short of providing same-sex couples with full healthcare coverage, which is prohibited under current federal law, FRC's Perkins says the executive order appears to be a violation of DOMA and plans to review it with the group's legal counsel.

Meanwhile, conservative groups are warning Americans about the "unprecedented and underreported" homosexual political agenda of Obama.

"Americans need to know about this full-throated attack by the Obama Administration and its congressional allies on the moral and social order, from marriage to the military to the nation’s schools,” said Robert Knight, Washington, D.C., correspondent for Coral Ridge Ministries.

"If this agenda triumphs, it will not usher in an era of tolerance, but rather the kind of repression and intolerance toward Christians and other traditionalists that we have seen in Europe and Canada," Knight cautioned. "The eventual outcome would be the criminalization of Christianity."

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  • Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Anyone here ever counted the number of posts by them that have been flagged? I don't know if I am the most flagged but certainly I get flagged the fastest of anyone here. I recently checked and found out that less than 1 minute after posting someone had already flagged the post. Just too funny they know full well I save every post and just put it right back up so what is the use of censoring me since it doesn't work to begin with. Everyone should save their posts and re-post if they are flagged. Folks can also comment as ell on the following where you can't get flagged and know that the rules are simple on this site: http://alockslee.blogspot.com/ TFR hide

  • Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Typical avoid answering the questions by trying to turn to questioning the rationale of the person seeking the truth instead of just coming clean. this is the standard evasion techniques employed by the fundies/evangelicalistas. Reporting on a pro-Christian site doesn't make it true by virtue of it's appearance on the site. For far too long those claiming Christian adherence have been guilty of falsifying the facts, inventing facts and even resorting to outright lying to make their point seem factually honest and then when they are called on it they retreat back into the very techniques you have tried to employ. So stop defending and start answering the questions posed under this article posed by me and others here. What are you secular reasons behind your positions? Obviously you don't have any or you would post them already. As for your claims of foreign countries dealing with bigots, lets have the complete story from reliable sources that are governed completely by a fundie bias and then it can be discussed based upon the whole fact pattern and not the purged, biased viewpoint that is so rampant like in the case where the public tax exempt status of a group was pulled for discrimination and not for the religious beliefs as I posted earlier and gave the links from the sources who gave the whole story and completely discredited the fundamentalist biased reports. So do you ever look up the original stories and read the full accounts or just blindly accept the reports from the biased sites who agenda outweighs the need to report the whole truth. believer's comment said religious rights in America would be lost over same sex marriage and where are the facts he was asked for? None existent since the only arguments are strictly from the ideology of those who want the forced conversion of their religion on America as a whole. Have you read my blog, it is outside the control of people here and reports the full story, obviously that creates a big problem because you can't censor it!!!!! http://alockslee.blogspot.com/ The truth that the fundies/evangelicalistas don't want you to know. TFR hide

  • Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate.

    **Opinions that challenge current conservative Biblical interpretation are no longer allowed.

  • Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show The way to frustrate the flaggers is to save your comments and simply re-post them eventually the issue will be addressed and you will not be censored. A discussion includes both words that you may or may not agree with but as long as it is supported with the true facts there shouldn't be a problem. the problem is simply that those who flag the post want to prevent people who write responses they can't handle since it makes them reflect on their own failings. Often it causes them to recognize that they hold to ideology that they can't reconcile with logic and/or reality especially posts from people who cover the entire issue and make people realize the whole truth is being kept from those involved in fundamentalist/evangelical circles and that the whole truth is in direct conflict with what they are told to believe. http://alockslee.blogspot.com/ The whole truth TFR hide

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Yeah, it seems to me that the vast majority of us on both sides of the conversation would prefer to reduce the flagging. My first preference would be to have the flagger's identity and reason for flagging posted. But that might not be an option given the software used here. If not, then my second preference would be to eliminate the flagging option altogether. I've never seen anything that I myself would delete, because the most offensive personal attacks speak worse of the attacker than the attacked. A third option would be to make flagged material viewable only if the user requested. I think the idea with this software is that some moderator is supposed to go back through everything that is flagged and either leave it deleted or restore it. Does anybody ever look at this stuff? If it's being deleted in a way that so many of us on both sides of the conversation disagree with, maybe some reconsideration is in order? hide

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''Instead of that, how about when a comment is flagged, that it is not removed until CP had a chance to review it. So instead of reviewing every comment before posting, they would review every flag before flagging.''

    Another good one!

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    ''agree. Or another good idea that was presented, is that when a person is flagged that the flagger would have to fill out a comment box on why he/she is flagging it. Then CP would post that comment, and the flagger's screen name for all to see. I think that would keep people honest.''

    Great idea!

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    <..... when a person is flagged that the flagger would have to fill out a comment box on why he/she is flagging it. Then CP would post that comment, and the flagger's screen name for all to see.....>>

    Excellent idea there Proph.....

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Or another good idea...

    I know a while back when the flagging got really bad, CP instituted a new policy. Any comments that were presented were first approved of by CP. That put huge lag between the time a comment was written and when it was actually posted. That really hurt the conversations that were going on.
    Instead of that, how about when a comment is flagged, that it is not removed until CP had a chance to review it. So instead of reviewing every comment before posting, they would review every flag before flagging.

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "There should be something along the line "three flags and your out". When a post receives three flags then they get deleted which would prevent a single individual from becoming an information Nazi."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I agree. Or another good idea that was presented, is that when a person is flagged that the flagger would have to fill out a comment box on why he/she is flagging it. Then CP would post that comment, and the flagger's screen name for all to see. I think that would keep people honest.

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "MY LITTLE SIS LIVES IN COLORADO..
    KINDA EAST OF DENVER ..
    BUT SHE HAS CONVERTED INTO A JEW SO I DOUBT THAT you HAVE SEEN HER...
    sorry ...cap-lok....(sounds like a shootin iron)"

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Oh, out by Limon. Yeah, I probably haven't met her. I like your joke about "wimmin folk". lol. Reminds me of a joke I told my wife a while back...
    Question: Why did the woman cross the road?
    Answer: The real question here is why is she out of the kitchen to begin with....

    So she responded back...
    Question: Why are blonde jokes so simple?
    Answer: So men can understand them.

    LOL. We love each other. Really. LOL.

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:01 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    There should be something along the line "three flags and your out". When a post receives three flags then they get deleted which would prevent a single individual from becoming an information Nazi.

  • Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:57 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Truth & freedom of speech are the first causalities in a theocracy. The reason to keep religion separate from government. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    MY LITTLE SIS LIVES IN COLORADO..
    KINDA EAST OF DENVER ..
    BUT SHE HAS CONVERTED INTO A JEW SO I DOUBT THAT you HAVE SEEN HER...
    sorry ...cap-lok....(sounds like a shootin iron)

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    for the first 100 years all the signs said.."FLAGMAN AHEAD"

    but womens lib...changed all that

    boy..
    this use to be a good country
    when we could keep our wimmin folk barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen where they outta be,,,...

    (DONT FLAG ME..LOL...IM JUS PLAYIN)

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "flagger is actually a job title in texas..
    where they pay a guy or gal to stand on the side of the road and wave a flag to warn you that there are other state employees ahead leaning on shovels."

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

    We have those here in Colorado too! LOL. Isn't government work great?

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Well the flaggers on here need sacking!

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    flagger is actually a job title in texas..
    where they pay a guy or gal to stand on the side of the road and wave a flag to warn you that there are other state employees ahead leaning on shovels..

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Brit - Or another explanation could be that some of your posts included quotes from posts that ruffled the flagger, and said flagger is trying to erase all evidence of folks like me. Flagger: that's called DENIAL. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now weekender has been flagged, will this post be flagged?

    Will the Phantom flagger please stand up!

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "What's that got to do with my posts?" My best guess is that someone who was mad that posts from folks like me and johnzon got flagged, decided to be equally childish and flag back in retaliation. How irritating. I felt I made some really good points and now they are lost. And probably would be again if someone here doesn't like what I say. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Funny thing is, I don't even remember what I said.

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''but we don't care for disrespect of our Lord. Not here in the United States, at least. :)''

    I think that goes for all saints, all around the world.

    But what did I say wrong?

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "What on earth has been going on here people?" Um, the anti-Christian trolls are continuing to say whatever they want to say to blaspheme the Holy Spirit and ridicule the followers of Jesus Christ, and when they do so some of us want to stop that from happening out of respect to God? We don't mind opposing viewpoints, but we don't care for disrespect of our Lord. Not here in the United States, at least. :) hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What's that got to do with my posts?

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Evidently, christian tenets include opposing freedom of speech when it ruffles your christian feathers? hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Someones been very busy flagging, I had a few flagged!

    What on earth has been going on here people?

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I see someone here is so mature that any post they don't like gets flagged. Whoever you are: congratulations on the stupendous job your religion has done in making you a mature, responsible adult. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Looks like we have some christians that cant handle the truth........ hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show bucket <pre=marital sex is a sin..everybody knows that..>> I didn't know that it was a sin, I better stop.....LOL. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show BRIT <We are saved and don't need to pray for the salvation of our own souls, we pray for yours, very selfish that isn't it.>> Instead of praying for others, how about going out and doing something actually useful such as helping the poor and homeless. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show bucket << works wont get you saved salvation comes by faith>> Gates is more concerned about helping people and the world he can see rather than concerned about a religion where its members are more concerned about getting to paradise. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show BRIT << He loved you enough to die for you in your place and if you reject him, you deserve everything that you get.>> 1. But if he was walking around three days later, thats not really dead. 2. I find it all rather implausible. Where is the data? 3. Again the threats, that appears to be the glue that holds your religion together. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now, did you mean the "Obamanation of desolation"?

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Lev 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. "

    abomination is the word "towebah" which means:

    1) a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable
    a) in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages)
    b) in ethical sense (of wickedness etc)

    Now, this is not to be confused with "shequets" used in:

    Lev 11:12 "Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that [shall be] an abomination unto you."

    The word abomination here means:

    1) detestable thing or idol, an unclean thing, an abomination, detestation.



    1) detestable thing or idol, an unclean thing, an abomination, detestation

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show BUcket wrote: "pre=marital sex is a sin..everybody knows that.. lust of the flesh is a sin everybody knows that so how can you be homo-sexual and not commit at least one of these sins,, that which is born of sin is sin no earthly logic can ever change that" When gay couple are allowed to get married like straight couples we will be able to obey the premarital sex thing. But guess who is stopping us? It's people like you who are trying to ensure that any sex we ever have is premarital. Blame yourself on that one. Not to mention, there are plenty of straight people who both lust and have premarital sex. (I'd venture to say most of them.) Yet I don't see you advocating they not be allowed to get married. So...only some sinners are barred from legal marriage? Selective enforcement doesn't seem like a very christian tenet to me. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Brit, I respectfully submit that as soon as christians stop getting in the way of civil marriage equality for gay couples, you will never see another gay person debating with you here again."

    I doubt that! Some have way too much fun here.... :D

    Still, as long as the Greek is clear I will speak out against it. Since the written Greek isn't going to change...I guess you'll be around for a while! (It's nice to have long term neighbors....)

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Your implication seems to be that non-believers aren't decent people,"

    As I have posted, I don't believe anyone is a "decent" person. Each person is capable of doing horrible things.

    Still, this area of the thread started with me posting "The truth is we as a nation have been more concerned with our own comfort than the needs of our neighbors both at home and overseas. This has been a growing problem for as long as I've been alive.

    It is our selfish sin as a nation that the rest of the world is mad at. It isn't that we are Christian nation that is the problem. It is that we don't act like a Christian nation that is the problem."

    Then came a question of the integrety of Christianity to which I posted "Man is not remembered by what he knows but by what he does with what he knows. True Christianity feeds the hungry, tends to the illness of the needy, defends the weak, gives hope to the hopeless, stands in the gap for others and so much more all because of "the love of Jesus". What difference does athiesm make?"

    My point was there is no organized athiestic benevolence program (started, funded and run by athiests) based on being an athiest. The Christian faith has always been interested in benevolence and is a stated command in scripture.


    1Jo 3:16-18 "We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth."

    Now, with that said, Christians by far are not perfect and have quite a bit to learn about actually doing this (one of the issues I focus on at my church). Still, it is a Christian principle and not found in the athiest creed. Thus, my point. Also, how a child behaves is not always how they will behave when they grow up. So, just because 'young' Christians don't get this whole concept doesn't mean they won't when they get older.

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "So ignore us, it's quite simple, stop coming on here complaining." Brit, I respectfully submit that as soon as christians stop getting in the way of civil marriage equality for gay couples, you will never see another gay person debating with you here again. You want us to stop coming here? Stop interfering with our lives based on your supernatural beliefs. That is the only reason any of us are here. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show ''Because you are hurting other people. You are threatening people with eternal damnation if they don't do what you want them to do.'' So ignore us, it's quite simple, stop coming on here complaining. You are doing what you want to anyway, or are you not quite so sure what you are doing is right? hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show ''The paramount concern I see with most Christians is the eternal salvation thing, more time spent praying and worshiping for salvation than going out and helping others. In many ways I see Christianity as a selfish religion- to save oneself from the eternal torture thing.' We are saved and don't need to pray for the salvation of our own souls, we pray for yours, very selfish that isn't it. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show ''Yada, yada. Its sad the basis of your religion is the threat of eternal torture......'' You conveniently focus only on the torment side of thing's, but there is another side to this and it is eternal life with the Lord Jesus Christ, where there will be no more suffering. He loved you enough to die for you in your place and if you reject him, you deserve everything that you get. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Bill Gates and Warren Buffett have each individually made the two largest charity donations in American history:"

    ......................
    works wont get you saved
    salvation comes by faith
    and Jesus Christ is the only way..
    there was a man who attempted to buy the gifts from Paul..
    Paul said
    "your money perishes with you"
    amen

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    pre=marital sex is a sin..everybody knows that..
    lust of the flesh is a sin everybody knows that
    so how can you be homo-sexual and not commit at least one of these sins,,
    that which is born of sin is sin
    no earthly logic can ever change that

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    im not sure what it means..
    but i sure dont want to be one in God's eyes

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    abomination ..what does that mean.?
    does anyone have a dictionary.?

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Because you are hurting other people. You are threatening people with eternal damnation if they don't do what you want them to do."

    But can't you see, that's exactly what YOU and your ilk are doing, Homo Man?

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Prophet wrote: " So why you get worked up over it. Let us believe our "fairytale", and you go believe yours." Because you are hurting other people. You are threatening people with eternal damnation if they don't do what you want them to do. And much of what you demand that they do is in direct conflict with the message and life of Jesus Christ. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:07 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Prophet <How about giving up their [Gates, Buffet] carnality? Dude, you're dreadfully judgmental. What do you know about their personal lives, what is the basis of your judgement? Do you know what their beliefs are? Are you resentful that they have become very wealthy? Gates and Buffet have committed billions of dollars to help the poor of the world. How is that "carnal"? Gates and Buffet through their philanthropy have touched the lives of millions. Both, through their entrepreneurial talents, have created millions of jobs for ordinary people. What have you done in your life to help society? The paramount concern I see with most Christians is the eternal salvation thing, more time spent praying and worshiping for salvation than going out and helping others. In many ways I see Christianity as a selfish religion- to save oneself from the eternal torture thing. hide

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show RRIT <No-one will be left with any excuse, the Bible makes this quite clear.>> Yada, yada. Its sad the basis of your religion is the threat of eternal torture...... hide

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