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Opinion|Mon, Jul. 06 2009 11:23 AM EDT

Richard Dawkins Jumps the Shark

By R. Albert Mohler, Jr.|Christian Post Guest Columnist

News out of Great Britain indicates that Richard Dawkins, perhaps the world's most famous living atheist, is setting up a summer camp intended to help children and teenagers adopt atheism. As The Times [London] reports: "Give Richard Dawkins a child for a week's summer camp and he will try to give you an atheist for life."

The camp, based upon an American precursor, is to be financially subsidized by Dawkins. According to media reports, all 24 places at the camp have been taken.

As Lois Rogers of The Times reports:

Budding atheists will be given lessons to arm themselves in the ways of rational scepticism. There will be sessions in moral philosophy and evolutionary biology along with more conventional pursuits such as trekking and tug-of-war. There will also be a £10 prize for the child who can disprove the existence of the mythical unicorn.

The organizers of the camp are doing everything possible to emulate more traditional summer camps, generally organized by Christian groups or venerable organizations such as the Boy Scouts. Campers are to learn about evolution even as they go canoeing and swimming. Like their counterparts at Christian camps, these campers will sing songs around the campfire. As might be expected, the songs will be quite different. "Instead of singing Kumbiya and other campfire favourites, they will sit around the embers belting out 'Imagine there’s no heaven . . . and no religion too.'"

Camp Quest, established in the United States in 1996, has now expanded to six locations. While its numbers are small in terms of attendance, especially as compared to more traditional camps, the camps for atheists receive a good deal of media attention.

In this light, it appears that this announcement hardly adds to the reputation of Richard Dawkins. In the parlance of American popular culture, he appears to have "jumped the shark." As this phrase indicates, some figures in the public eye become something like parodies of themselves. In this case, the recently retired Oxford University professor has thrown his public reputation behind an effort that appears to be profoundly unserious when it comes to reaching the masses. If Richard Dawkins is really so concerned to support atheism, it hardly seems that a summer camp limited to 24 children and teenagers represents a bold advance for his cause.

In recent months, Dawkins has spent his personal credibility on a project to put atheistic messages on London buses and, now, on this very small experiment in a secularist camp for children. The bus advertisement campaign became something of a joke, with the signs declaring only the claimed probability that there is no God. Londoners seemed more bemused than persuaded. Now, Professor Dawkins lends both his name and his financial support to an atheistic summer camp that will teach evolution to children by day and teach them to sing the songs of John Lennon by night. The Boy Scouts should not fear the competition.

At a deeper level, the existence of this camp in Great Britain and its sister camps in the United States indicates something of the intellectual insecurity of contemporary atheism and agnosticism. The effort to create a religion-free zone for summer camp makes for an interesting news story in the media, but it is not likely to draw the masses.

What comes after atheistic bus signs and a secularist summer camp? Time, as they say, will tell.

Adapted from R. Albert Mohler Jr.'s weblog at www.albertmohler.com.
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R. Albert Mohler, Jr. is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. For more articles and resources by Dr. Mohler, and for information on The Albert Mohler Program, a daily national radio program broadcast on the Salem Radio Network, go to www.albertmohler.com. For information on The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, go to www.sbts.edu. Send feedback to mail@albertmohler.com. Original Source: www.albertmohler.com.
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  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mathetes, believer, no problem :o)

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    wowie, apparently that's how forum trolls operate by complicating the obvious and twisting the posts of others, but I appreciate you doing your homework and showing how hman on at least one occasion has taken qoutes out of context to make them fit his agenda.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Thou shalt not kill......I'm a murdereraphobic!! ;o)

    ...Is that a word?

    HM anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension can see that I didn't say anything like that...good grief

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hman, so if someone speaks against a sin they are a phobic of those who consistently practice those sins, so if we speak against stealing we are thiefaphobics or against lying we are liaraphobics.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Morton Smith was homosexual. (Motive anyone???)" And you are homophobic. Motive anyone? The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him. Proverbs 18:17 Have a great day everyone, even you who hate me! :-) hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    wowie,

    Thanks for demonstrating the misinformation of Hman's quote-mining. I thought something was up with that, but didn't have time to investigate.

    Nothing like a little light to dispel the darkness.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    HMAN wrote- wowie from the website you posted
    "the copies we possess are not entirely error-free.

    Similarly, no translation is or can be perfect, and all translations are an additional step away from the autograph."

    AND HERE ARE THOSE SENTENCES IN CONTEXT!



    The individuals responsible for the copying (scribes or copyists) were prone to making two types of scribal errors, well known and documented by those expert in the field of manuscript analysis. One concerned the spelling of proper names ,especially unfamiliar foreign NAMES: and the other had to do with NUMBERS. The fact that it is mainly these type of errors in evidence gives credence to the argument for copyist errors. If indeed the originals were in contradiction, we would see evidence of this within the CONTENT of the stories themselves. (Archer 1982:221-222)

    The verdict of this science, however, is that the Hebrew and Greek text appears to be amazingly well preserved, so that we are amply justified in affirming, with the Westminster Confession, a singular providence of God in this matter and in declaring that THE AUTHORITY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS IN NO WAY JEAPORDIZED by the fact that the copies we possess are not entirely error-free.

    Similarly, no translation is or can be perfect, and all translations are an additional step away from the autograph. YET the verdict of linguistic science is that English-speaking Christians, at least, are exceedingly well served in these days with a host of excellent translations and have NO CAUSE for hesitating to conclude that the True Word of God is within their reach. Indeed, in view of the frequent repetition in Scripture of the main matters with which it deals and also of the Holy Spirits constant witness to and through the Word, NO serious translation of Holy Scripture will so destroy its meaning as to render it unable to make its reader "wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:15)


    The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him. Proverbs 18:17 :O)

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Secret Mark"

    As Christians defending Gods truth, we must be informed of these matters so that we are not taken off-guard by those who would pervert the gospel of Christ to their own ends (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

    Morton Smith found/(is believed to have forged) this letter in 1958.

    Morton Smith was homosexual. (Motive anyone???)

    Arthur Darby Nock, Smiths own professor, famously called the manuscript a mystification for the sake of mystification (as quoted in Quesnell, 1975, p. 54)in other words, a fake for the sake of faking it.

    Jacob Neusner, Smiths student at Columbia, also doubted the letters authenticity, calling it the forgery of the century (as quoted in Miller, 1999).

    An examination of the "Secret" Gospel of Mark http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2599

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "No more times for your fiendish games. You show you have no interest in the truth."

    I agree.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "What a shock. Mathetes does NOT believe what it says in 2 Tim. 3:16, but I do."

    Yes he does, but you don't, there you go I've answered the question for you.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''So how about you? "Everything written is breathed by God." Do you agree with this?''

    Everything written, nice try.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I did answer the question. All scripture is useful for the various things listed in 2 Timothy."

    That's not an answer.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Hman says the truth is false, and he takes sarcasm as truth - see his Monday 4:49 p.m. post."

    I know.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Twisting words again, Hman?

    You can say what you want, but we all know it's not true. Everyone can read exactly what I wrote below, proving you are a liar.

    No more times for your fiendish games. You show you have no interest in the truth.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "A literal, though not necessarily accurate, translation of the Greek in 2 Tim. 3:16. The way you put it, no, not every written document is inspired by God." What a shock. Mathetes does NOT believe what it says in 2 Tim. 3:16, but I do. OK, so let's move on to a new topic. :-) hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Everything written is breathed by God."

    A literal, though not necessarily accurate, translation of the Greek in 2 Tim. 3:16. The way you put it, no, not every written document is inspired by God.

    As Paul and Jesus used the word (graphe) to refer to the OT writings, yes, they are inspired by God.

    So why lay a trap like that? Are you a scribe or a Pharisee?

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show 2 Timothy 16 says "Everything written is breathed by God." I believe that. Do you? hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hman,
    "I did answer the question. All scripture is useful for the various things listed in 2 Timothy."

    That's not what you said earlier:
    "It's just bad writing on the part of whoever wrote those verses. It reflects the horrifying moral poverty of its time. It is not literally true."

    Either "ALL scripture is inspired by God and useful..." or it is not. Why change your tune now?

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "What are you scared of, why won't you answer the question?" I did answer the question. All scripture is useful for the various things listed in 2 Timothy. Now ask yourself why you are harrassing me. Why does it bring you so much pleasure? What do you hope to accomplish? :-) hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Brit,

    Be careful (And to murder you too, I bet) Brit.

    Hman says the truth is false, and he takes sarcasm as truth - see his Monday 4:49 p.m. post.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OOPS, sorry mathetes, I won't let him get away with it...lol.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "What do you think 2 Timothy 3:16-17 means by "scripture"?"

    Inspired by God.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hman,

    I'll take my lead from Jesus:

    I'll answer your question (What do you think 2 Timothy 3:16-17 means by "scripture"?) after you answer ours.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What are you scared of, why won't you answer the question?

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "It is no coincidence that you are trying to use it as a trap now."

    And to murder you too, I bet. ;)

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "So the Gnostic writing called the Secret Gospel of Mark IS scripture, but what God said through Moses and was confirmed by Jesus IS NOT God's Word and IS NOT scripture."

    The thing is, even though it's gnostic, it still isn't saying what HM is implying.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "what God said through Moses and was confirmed by Jesus" The exact verse you are talking about is one of those occasions where the Bible explicitly states they were trying to trap Jesus SO THAT THEY COULD MURDER HIM. It is no coincidence that you are trying to use it as a trap now. hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Still cannot answer a simple question....." That's exactly what they said to Jesus when they tried to trap Him and murder Him with "The Scriptures." :-) hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wait, I'm sorry. Now I understand.

    "Here is some scripture:
    "And they come into Bethany...."

    So the Gnostic writing called the Secret Gospel of Mark IS scripture, but what God said through Moses and was confirmed by Jesus IS NOT God's Word and IS NOT scripture.

    Now you're making it all perfectly clear. You wouldn't like it, but it's becoming quite clear.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show All scripture is useful. The two of you are *abusing* it in order to hurt people. hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I think the answer you need is that "scripture" gets abused by people like the two of you in order to hurt people."

    Still cannot answer a simple question.....

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show You can pull up pretty much any random verse and make something hurtful out of it, the way you two are doing. You defy Christ if you attend your father's funeral!!! Mattew 8:21-22 "And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Calling HM...

    "By the way, you never answered this question either: do you believe 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is true?"

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show I think the answer you need is that "scripture" gets abused by people like the two of you in order to hurt people. Here's some more scripture: If a good person does something wrong after God "lays a stumbling block before him," then God will kill him. "He shall die in his sin" and whatever good he has done will be forgotten. Ezekiel 3:20 Honestly, you are likely to injure people if you aren't willing to apply some common sense and compassion, both of which you two are failing in. hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "By the way, you never answered this question either: do you believe 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is true?"

    I would like to know your answer to this question also.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I agree. :-)"

    I'm sure you do, but if you were to tell us want you want it to mean it would not be innocent.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "Can you imagine coming face to face with the Saviour, you wouldn't want to let him go." And He raised him from the dead! Certainly, I agree. :) hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hman,
    "If all scripture is inspired by God, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, then why are so-called evangelical "Christians" so stuck on a dozen verses?"

    If those dozen verses are the ones that apply to your situation, why would we share others? why talk about the Trinity or eschatology, when you have yet to believe the basics?

    By the way, you never answered this question either: do you believe 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is true?

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Brit wrote: "He remained with him that night...and the next bit of the verse tells us why, it's actually very simple even a heathen could understand." I agree. :-) (Although I suspect you mean something unkind by heathen, so I would not endorse the use of that particular word. ;-) ) hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him."

    Can you imagine coming face to face with the Saviour, you wouldn't want to let him go.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God.''

    He remained with him that night...and the next bit of the verse tells us why, it's actually very simple even a heathen could understand.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Brit,

    Hman worship a different god from the one presented in the Bible, so it just looks like idolatry to him. His god is incapable of communicating to men by the written word. His god is also okay with certain sins.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hman,
    "I said that people committed evil and falsely *attributed* it to God."

    And a few days ago I asked you for your proof. Still waiting....

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show mathetes wrote: "2 Tim 3:16-17" LOL. It's like the Bible only contains a dozen verses. How many times has this passage been quoted in the past week? 20? 30? Don't you have any vocabulary beyond this? If all scripture is inspired by God, and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, then why are so-called evangelical "Christians" so stuck on a dozen verses? Here is some scripture: "And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, 'Son of David, have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb, they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan." hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''I think the verse I quoted (which wowie had just quoted) means exactly what it says. What do you mean?''

    But it may have changed that much that it said something else in the original autograph, according to your logic.

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ''You are stuck in your idolatry. God is not the creation. You worship the creation, not God.''

    mathetes is stuck in idolatry how exactly?

    He worships the creation, how exactly?

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show "What's the point of quoting Scripture, you think said something completely different when it was first penned?" I think the verse I quoted (which wowie had just quoted) means exactly what it says. What do you mean? hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show mathetes wrote: "You're the one saying that what God did was evil." LOL mathetes. My posts are still there for anyone to read. I said that people committed evil and falsely *attributed* it to God. Just like you are writing this phrase and falsely *attributing* it to me. You are stuck in your idolatry. God is not the creation. You worship the creation, not God. hide

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Similarly, no translation is or can be perfect, and all translations are an additional step away from the autograph."

    The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him. Proverbs 18:17"

    What's the point of quoting Scripture, you think said something completely different when it was first penned?

  • Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hman,

    2 Tim 3:16-17 "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

    Do you believe this verse is true?

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