Updated 12:47 pm.EST, Sun November 22, 2009

Opinion|Wed, Jul. 15 2009 10:06 AM EDT

'The Orthodox Are Finished'

By R. Albert Mohler, Jr.|Christian Post Guest Columnist

Acting in open defiance to the worldwide Anglican Communion, the Episcopal Church has voted to end a de facto moratorium on the election and consecration of openly gay bishops. The vote - overwhelming in both houses of the denomination's General Convention - comes barely 6 years after the American church brought its worldwide communion to the brink of disaster.

The specific language adopted by the General Convention declared the church's openness to the ordination or election of homosexual persons to "any ordained ministry." In taking this action, the Episcopal Church now signals its absolute determination to defy Scripture, tradition, and the urgent cries of its own sister churches in the Anglican Communion.

Of course, the General Convention did not use the language of defiance in describing its own action. Instead, delegates to both the House of Bishops and the House of Deputies attempted to describe the action as a way of remaining true to their church's own principles and convictions. In one sense, the delegates could make this claim with something of a straight face. After all, as speakers during the debate made clear, this action is an honest reflection of what the Episcopal Church has now become.

As Laurie Goodstein of The New York Times reported:

Many delegates to the church’s convention here characterized the action not as an overturning of the moratorium, but as simply an honest assertion of “who we are.” They note that the church, which claims about two million members, has hundreds of openly gay laypeople, priests and deacons, and that its democratic decision-making structures are charged with deciding who merits ordination.

In other words, the denomination has pressed forward with the agenda of normalizing homosexuality and homosexual relationships and the moratorium on gay bishops was, in light of larger developments within the church, both awkward and artificial.

The crisis between the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion exploded into the open in 2003 when the American denomination elected and consecrated Gene Robinson, an openly gay priest, as the bishop of New Hampshire. The controversy that followed revealed the emerging fault lines in the Anglican Communion - and in many other denominations as well. Liberal churches in North America (and often in Great Britain and Europe) were shown to be out of step and increasingly outnumbered by far more orthodox and conservative churches in what is increasingly called the "Global South."

In 2005, the Anglican Communion responded to the action of the Episcopal Church through the adoption of what was called the "Windsor Report." This document, presented as something of a peace plan, demanded that the American church cease and desist from the election of additional gay bishops and put a halt to efforts to extend formal recognition to same-sex relationships. Shortly thereafter, the Episcopal Church signaled its willingness, begrudging at best, to accept what amounted to a moratorium on these developments.

Now, as the Episcopal Church met for its General Convention in Anaheim, California, the American denomination has, in effect, told the Anglican Communion that it will go its own way, whatever the cost. Adding insult to injury, the General Convention also expressed its "abiding commitment" to the worldwide body. Apparently, this commitment does not extend to keeping its promises. Continue »

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  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Flagged as inappropriate. show nohypocrites wrote: "one identical twin is gay then 100% of the time the other would be too if homosexuality were genetic when in fact the likelihood that the other twin will be gay too is no higher in identical twins than it would be if they had not had an identical gay twin" NH, your mistake is in your "all or nothing" thinking. Your statement would be true if sexual orientation was 100% genetic. The NARTH site (which you may be quoting from) quotes studies that say: "they found that if one twin was homosexual, 38% of the time his identical brother was too. For lesbianism the concordance was 30%." http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead2.html These data actually mean that there probably IS a genetic component to sexual orientation. It is possible that it is not genetics but something about the uterine environment. Most likely it's all three: genetics, uterine environment, and post-birth environment. Just let people be. You can't control everybody, and it would be harmful to them, to you, and to everybody else if you did. hide

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    I hear you. While we disagree on those Bible passages, you raise a good point, expressed even better without the crude humor. Thanks for understanding.

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mathetes, sorry you were offended, I figured since we were talking about body parts, we might as well talk *shrug.*

    My point was this: Me loving my partner does not come down to reproduction or sex in any way, shape or form. If for some reason we weren't able to be sexually intimate, our relationship would not crumble, because the foundation of love is there. Many get entirely too caught up in the idea of sex sex sex when it comes to relationships, and that is largely because all our society talks is sex sex sex, but when you get to the heart of it, its about love for gay couples, and that is why we're so adamant about same sex marriage. Its a legal protection of our love. When people "quote" the Bible and believe its speaking about homosexuality is blows my mind because issues of rape or idolatry involving same sex couples shouldn't be used to condemn the love of my partner and I. Its asinine.

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike,
    I wanted you to know that I flagged your last post. While your point is important, the joke was not, and this really isn't the place for it.

    Please keep contributing to the discussion, but please refrain from the crudity. Thanks.

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Cheisa-no one is saying that these sexual attachments always are rooted first in your sex drive. Sometimes the trajectory of your sex drive begins with attachments that form at a young age. I have heard heterosexual cross dressers say they felt drawn to the attire of the opposite sex before puberty too. The fact that you observed this before puberty might make exactly the opposite point than the one you are trying to make. Of course I might be wrong. But the original point is this; no matter where it begins this is clearly a malfunction of the reproductive system's software and not a cause for celebration.

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:57 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Just to weigh in on the nature/nurture argument, I have a nephew and it was "obvious" many years before he even reached puberty - let's say by 5 years old - that he would be gay. He was always the sweetest boy you'd ever want to meet, but he had some overt behaviors, tendencies and interests that seemed to indicate that he had a good chance of being gay later in life. Though, there was nothing unusual in his environment or influences growing up.

    Sure enough, he announced he was gay when he was half way through his teens. It surprised a lot of people, but my wife and I accepted it almost as an inevitability because we always sensed it. When we first thought of the possibility, he was far too young to have learned this as a behavior or a fetish. It was a part of his character, his nature. It was who he was from his youngest days. I strongly believe he was simply born that way.

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    P.S. Just so there is no misunderstanding..if one identical twin is gay then 100% of the time the other would be too if homosexuality were genetic when in fact the likelihood that the other twin will be gay too is no higher in identical twins than it would be if they had not had an identical gay twin, therefore homosexuality simply cannot be genetic

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike you are still completely missing the point. Environment doesn't just mean your home life it also means your experiences, confusions, hurts and doubts and there is no question that gay sexual orientation springs from a source (what ever that is) that is no different than other sexual fetishes. Frankly, that isn't such bad news for you, it means that gays are not some sexual hybrids born to be stuck between men and women. Gay men are fully men and gay women are fully women. They are struggling with a fetish as are millions of others, no better no worse and no less due kindness and love and respect than any other

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Nohypocrites, its clear you pick and choose what you want to believe about sexual orientation. It is not environment. I am 1 of 4 kids, all very close in age, yet I am the only gay one. Sometimes twins are both gay, sometimes only 1 is. How would that work if it was environment?

  • Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:00 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Yes Mike and it is equally obvious that their reproductive system is malfunctioning, surely that is obvious to you. By the way it is also obvious that we should be kind and loving to gay people, no hatred or violence or ridicule at all. But when something as important to our emotional well being as our reproductive system is malfunctioning so profoundly we should at least ask why. 49% of gay men say they were molested as children, every single study conducted on lesbian identical twins indicates there is no genetic link, prisoners are more likely to engage in homosexual sex ,their environment causes it. No one picks a sexual fetish, these are poorly understood at best but either we care about gay people really or we just care about a caring pose we are trying to strike

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    nohypocrites, OBVIOUSLY two men are not trying to make a baby, but nowhere does it say that a couple in love that is married must be attempting to make a baby. Being in a committed gay relationship is about love, and sometimes, God blesses that couple with a child through adoption.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    As an Anglican, I can say that I am not surprised by this turn of events. In my opinion, the Episcopal church left the fold many years ago with its utter disregard for Scripture and Tradition causing scandal to fellow Christians everywhere. It is rather telling though, as churches become more "tolerant", of deviant behavior, the more their numbers show decline. While clergy are voting at convention, the people are voting with their feet choosing to embrace a more orthodox Christianity that can be traced through the ages than civil liberal speak dressed in a chausable and mitre. I suspect that by the time Lambeth 2018,there won't be much left of the Episcopal Church save for some buildings and hotheads controlling the trust funds.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:24 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    So people who don't think that the Church should endorse a sexual fetish are just filled with "hate"? Really, what about cross dressers and people with a leather fetish? In just 40 years or so (since the introduction of birth control pills) the human race has managed to forget what sex is for. Our sex drive is the software for our reproductive system. So I am supposed to believe that if two men are instinctively trying to make a baby with one another that nothing is broken?

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:58 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    marg, let's see condoning the sexual practices of homosexuality, ordaining practicing sinners who refuse to repent of their sin, and putting women in positions that automatically give them spiritual headship over men. I think that would certainly qualify for doing those things that are not proper, so I guess Romans 1:32 is an appropriate word for the episcopal church in America!

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    A word to the episcopal church, Romans 1:32, "and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same thing, but they also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

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    Since the passage has no connection to anything going on in the Episcopal Church, it is obvious being used as condemnation which all some people have for those who disagree with them.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Believer, while it saddens me to do so, I have not felt a member of the Catholic church for quite some time. Unfortunately, there are one too many arrogant priests who know nothing of the real world because their entire lives are spoon fed to them. That is not to say there are no good priests, I've met priests and nuns who blew my beliefs out of the water, but, the body as a whole is badly broken.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    mike85, so are you planning on leaving the roman catholic church and become an episcopalian?

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:46 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    A word to the episcopal church, Romans 1:32, "and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same thing, but they also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    And Amen Homo Man!

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Amen Marg!

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    marg, so I guess the episcopal church in America are in for some serious disappointments!!
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    Any church which follows the message of Christ will have no disappointments. The Episcopal Church is upholding Christ.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    marg, so I guess the episcopal church in America are in for some serious disappointments!!

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:02 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 5

    The Communion will have to make some decision concerning which church is truly a part of its fellowship. If the Anglican Communion has the slightest concern for orthodoxy and biblical standards of ministry, the actions taken in Anaheim should make this decision much less difficult.
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    Since the Anglican Communion depends heavily on the support of the episcopal Church, they decision will be anything but easy. The schismatic group does not have the means to keep up the support necessary. The archbishop himself is in favor openly gay clergy, so it will be interesting to see if he sacrifices the Anglican Communion for a few groups who base their agenda on hate, or those who actually follow the teachings of Christ to love one another.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 6

    This is God's hand at work in the church. Injustice and prejudice cease when God is involved. Other denominations will follow suit shortly, just as they did with the ordination of women. Those who wish to ignore God will only be disappointed.

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:23 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 8

    Flagged as inappropriate. show Gay people are part of the human family and part of God's creation. My humble thanks to the Episcopal Church for standing up for what is right. hide

  • Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:20 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    As once said Cranmer,
    "The WORD of G-D is above the Church."

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