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Education|Fri, Oct. 23 2009 06:18 PM EDT

Atheist Faith-Heads, Naturally

By Randal Rauser|Christian Post Contributor

Most theists are not “plain theists”. Rather, they embed their theism within a wider worldview perspective such as Christianity, Islam, or deism. By the same token, most atheists are not plain atheists. Instead they embed their atheism within a wider worldview perspective: that which is commonly called “naturalism”. As such, it is worthwhile not only for the theist to critique atheism as a claim, but also to evaluate the justification for the naturalistic worldview in which atheism is typically embedded.

So what then is naturalism? This is a fascinating and very difficult question to answer. While naturalists debate over the best way to define their position, here is one way that naturalism is commonly defined:

Naturalism: "the view that the only things that exist are matter and energy and that which supervenes upon matter and energy."

The first part of the definition is clear enough. We all have a basic understanding of matter and energy. But what does it mean to “supervene upon”? Perhaps the easiest way to explain the concept of supervenience is by way of an example, so here goes. Neither hydrogen atoms nor oxygen atoms have the property of wetness. But combine them to form water and the property of wetness comes to exist as a result of the combination. It arises from them and is irreducible to them. In other words, wetness supervenes upon the atomic structure of the combined hydrogen and oxygen atoms.

Thus the naturalist is one who says that everything that exists is either reducible to matter/energy (like hydrogen and oxygen atoms) or is supervenient upon matter/energy (like the property of wetness which arises from but is irreducible to the combined atoms). Incidentally, this is remarkably like the ancient Greek philosopher Democritus’ view that all that exists is “atoms and the void.” Naturalism, it would seem, has been around for awhile.
It follows that if one adopts a naturalist’s view then one denies that anything could exist which does not ultimately derive its existence from matter/energy. And this includes a range of non-material based supernatural entities like souls, angels, and of course God.

But why think that naturalism is true? Why think that the only things which exist are matter, energy, and that which supervenes upon matter and energy? What justifies this worldview?

There are two ways that one could possibly justify naturalism. The first and stronger way is a priori. That is, one could argue in principle or by definition that only matter, energy and that which supervenes upon matter/energy could exist. But a very high threshold of evidence would be demanded to justify the naturalist worldview a priori. What argument is there which demonstrates in principle that souls, angels, and God could not exist? Alas, I am aware of none.

This leaves the naturalist to argue for the weaker a posteriori course. According to this empirical approach, while supernatural entities could in principle exist, empirical enquiry yields no evidence of them.

I take issue with the empirical naturalist’s claim because I believe there is substantial evidence for the existence of supernatural entities. But let’s leave that aside. Instead, note that the naturalist has now painted herself into a corner. By adopting this weaker empirical approach, the naturalist loses her justification for holding naturalism (at least as defined above). In short, now she cannot claim any longer that the only things that exist are matter, energy and that which supervenes on matter and energy. Instead she should adopt the view that she does not know.

Sadly, naturalists typically continue in their naturalism even though they have no evidence to justify its central claim. What is doubly sad is that many seem to have convinced themselves that naturalism is the only scientifically respectable position. But what is scientific about making a dogmatic declaration that is not justified by the evidence? This looks rather like what atheist Richard Dawkins derisively calls a “faith-head”.

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Randal Rauser is associate professor of historical theology at Taylor Seminary, Edmonton, Canada and was granted Taylor's first annual teaching award for Outstanding Service to Students in 2005.
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  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "What argument is there which demonstrates in principle that souls, angels, and God could not exist?"

    I don't know of any strictly philosophical principle that could rule these out; all I know is that the any reading of ancient history reveals a world awash with demons, spirits, gods, angels, witches, unicorns, cyclops, talking serpents, et. al. This to me is enough evidence that all notions of a spirit/supernatural world is so much rubbish from the childhood imaginings of mankind. "Rubbish" may be too harsh a word; I suppose the study of these myths is interesting in a Jungian/Campbellian way, but as explanations for the real world - i.e., the natural world - they pale in comparison to Democritus, Kepler, Newton, Einstein, Darwin, Mendel, Crick, Hawking, Ventner, etc. I see no good reason to accept the word of Bronze Age Fertile Crescent nomads over the experiments, predictions, confirmations, and physical evidence of these hard-working scientists.

  • Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Walter+Sinnott-Armstrong

  • Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    For those who may be interested, there is a longer threaded discussion of this article at my blog "The Tentative Apologist":
    http://www.christianpost.com/blogs/tentativeapologist/2009/10/atheist-faith-heads-naturally-22/index.html

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    >Here's another: the universe was created five minutes ago with apparent age.

    Yes, that old chestnut that cannot be proven or disproved so it is immaterial, we carry on as if this has not happened.

    The point I was making about worrying about gods is the same thing, if they're real they obviously don't want us to know about it so it's sensible to carry on as if they are not.

    >But the fact that some claims are unfalsifiable does not entail that all are, as you seem, rather absurdly, to suppose.

    Simply wrong. A clue is the fact that “unfalsifiable” isn’t actually a word.

    We have our judgment, our experience, we have facts, we have the scientific method to test it all and we can gauge the likelihood of a great deal and from those calculations arrive at solid conclusions.

    For instance we can safely say that it's unlikely that there is intelligent life on Mars despite the fact that we can't prove it.

    I can safely say that it is unlikely your god is real based on the same sort of reasoning, a gathering of the facts of what we know and what we can extrapolate from them leads to a solid conclusion.

    Read your Bible and the only possible conclusion is that it’s just a collection of typical myths and legends with a sheen of history but much of it apocryphal if not outright false.

    Of course you need it to be real so you deny those rather obvious facts.

  • Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:54 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    >I showed already that "you can't prove a negative" is false

    Um if you say so but I'm pretty sure that particular philosophical / logic breakthrough hasn't been made, it would make the papers one would think. Is it possible that you’re declaring that you have when really you haven’t? Because I've already shown you the obvious and deep flaw in your "logic" with:

    What argument is there which demonstrates in principle that dragons, leprechauns, and Martians could not exist? Alas, I am aware of none.

    See? With that sort of flexibility anything can be true and real even if they are so unlikely to be that they might as well be impossible.

    So naturally you would want everyone to think that way so as to allow room for your supernatural beliefs and superstitions.

    That sort of thinking is what made people and your Jesus think that demons caused illness instead of say microbes or viruses.

    What you’re trying to do here is insist that scientifically there must be something that created creation and oh you just happen to know something supernatural that created the universe... why that must be the answer! It all fits!

    Except there is no evidence that the universe was created by intelligence and if it was this intelligence apparently really likes black holes, radiation, lots of hydrogen floating around for billions of years not doing much of anything and vast tracks of nothing / black matter.

    There is also evidence against intelligent design in biology, we are not well designed but rather adequately evolved. Of course thanks to science we're improving that situation. Or haven't you noticed that even since science came along we're living longer better lives. Why didn't your Jesus do that for us? Think of all the lives that would have been saved if Jesus had just told people about soap.

    Instead he left us another thing to war over. Well done!

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:56 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    salvage,

    I showed already that "you can't prove a negative" is false and you have provided no response. Instead you have provided a claim that you seem to believe is not falsifiable (the giraffe). But unfalsifiable claims are not hard to come by. Here's another: the universe was created five minutes ago with apparent age. But the fact that some claims are unfalsifiable does not entail that all are, as you seem, rather absurdly, to suppose.

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 6

    Please read my last post first last post first.

    >While I am in large agreement with bcoontz, I would not grant salvage's claim that you cannot prove a negative. Of course you can.

    Right now in my living room there is a fire breathing giraffe named Gerald signing Pink Floyd's "The Wall" while juggling fireballs.

    Prove that isn't so.

    In fact you can't prove a negative, that is not atheism talking, that logic and well-established philosophy. What you can do is calculated the odds of how likely something is to be true.

    Now in the case of Gerald there is so much there that is unlikely that he can be safely dismissed as being untrue without having to elaborate too much. Our own experiences and knowledge make it clear such a thing is unlikely to the point of being impossible.

    Same thing as your god.

    Of course your denial of this point is typical of theists, you will twist logic and reason in all kinds of ways to maintain your delusion.

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    Who are right? The Catholics or the Protestants? If the Protestants which one of them?

    See another piece of evidence that suggests your god is not real is the fact that his religion is so deeply fractured. Tell me, when Jesus set up his church is this what he planned? Some 2,000 years or war and corruption? Because that’s what he left in his wake. Was that part of the plan? Did the plan go awry? If it was part of the plan than your god is a lunatic and if it wasn’t then your god is a poor planner. In either case why would I worship such a creature?

    And why didn’t your god involve the peoples of the Far East and the Americas? Why weren’t they exposed to Christ’s love and salvation? Isn’t it odd that your god only focused on a tiny sliver of humanity for a mere 30 years? Why did they get to witness your god first hand while the rest of us have to have “faith”? And why didn’t Jesus cure leprosy rather than just a few lepers? Why did he blame sickness on “demons” rather than just tell people about microbes and how keeping clean would save their lives? Why did your god let those other gods run the planet for so long? The Greeks and then the Romans rules with their gods for centuries until your god asserted his power. Why not your god right from day one?

    And so on.

    The more you look at your religion and its obvious flaws the clearer it becomes that there’s nothing divine going on, just humans fooling themselves like they did with Zeus, Jupiter and every other god that came before yours.

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 8

    I know, you’re god is above creation, the rules don’t apply. How convenient.

    This is all the standard theist tactic of stuffing your god in the gaps. Anything we don’t know? God did it!

    Whose god? Well yours of course, it’s always yours.
    Once again, there may be some sort of higher power that makes universes, what it does not do is send itself down to Earth in the womb of a human only to sacrifice itself to itself without actually doing anything practical.
    Or anything else that weird and pointless.

    It’s not the concept of a god that I can prove or disprove, it’s YOUR god that’s easy to disprove because it makes no sense.

    >That Jesus existed,

    There’s no strong evidence he ever did. What you’re saying here is that the Bible says your god is true therefore your god must be true. You do see the problem with that I hope.

    >the experience of believers all over the world today and their relationship to the risen Christ are evidence as well, whether you accept it or not.

    So what? There are believers of Allah all over the world, Hindus and countless other religions and people who have experienced it. And even within Christianity there are countless sects.

  • Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    >is typical then with that type of argument to lump God with something that is usually considered mythical,

    Your god is truly mythical. Its origins and narrative have the classic hallmarks of myth. All of the major elements of the story of Jesus can be found in myths that predated it. What are myths about other than gods being the answer to questions of creation?

    The only difference is you have a myth that you have decided is real so you must call it religion for it to be taken seriously.

    >but it hardly constitutes proof of the original thesis(that God does not exist).

    Sure it does, your god is no more real than any other of the mythical being humanity has dreamed up over the last 10,000 years or so. Your god is the older gods repacked but essentially the same thing.

    >For instance the first law of thermondynamics says that

    Sure. So what? How does that fact in any way speak of your god? Where is Jesus in that? Where is the universe created in six days? Adam and Eve? Satan?

    See what you’re indulging in here is “Underpants Gnomes” logic; connecting two points with nothing e.g.:

    Phase 1: Law of nature says energy cannot be created or destroyed

    Phase 2: ?

    Phase 3: The Judeo-Christian god must be real

    See? There’s no connection between those two ideas. All you’re doing is repackaging the “prime mover” argument but it still has the same flaw in logic that has been pointed out again and again for hundreds of years. If everything needs a start than what started your god?

  • Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Salvage's post is irrelevant to this article where I am discussing naturalism, not Christian theism.

    While I am in large agreement with bcoontz, I would not grant salvage's claim that you cannot prove a negative. Of course you can. You can do so a priori by showing a concept to be self-contradictory. Many atheist philosophers claim to have shown that the concept of God as defined in Christian theism is self-contradictory and thus not possibly true. Even if their arguments have failed, the task could in principle be accomplished. Further, you can also demonstrate that something does not exist through empirical or a posteriori enquiry. Salvage's silly old fossilized claim is simply a way for an atheist to avoid the evidential burden.

  • Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:05 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Salvage, while you are correct that you cannot prove a negative (that is without being omniscient), the rest of your argument is assertion only. It is typical then with that type of argument to lump God with something that is usually considered mythical, but it hardly constitutes proof of the original thesis(that God does not exist).

    While naturalism appeals to scientific inquiry as the ultimate authority of determining reality, it is scientific priniples that speak eloquently against naturalism. For instance the first law of thermondynamics says that matter and energy cannot be created (that is from nothing) or destroyed. Therefore there is no known natural mechanism that can create energy or matter from nothing. A quantum fluctuation is the naturalistic explanation, but that phenomena has not been observed and would create equal amounts of antimatter as matter, which also is not observed.

    For natuarlism to be true then, the universe would have to either be eternally existant (disproven by the second law of thermodynamics) or the matter and energy would have to come from an unobserved source, ie. a parallel universe or God. If from a parallel universe, it begs the question as to where that energy an matter originated. In the case of either, they are unobserved and unobservable, that is, taken on faith.

    The fact that the God of the Bible makes no sense to you is not evidence either. Does that mean anything that you can't make sense of cannot exist? The God of the Bible is based on historical events that, as time goes by and more research is conducted, are shown to be true. That Jesus existed, the things that he taught and did and the teaching and experience of the early church are evidence that the God of the Bible is God. In addition to this, the experience of believers all over the world today and their relationship to the risen Christ are evidence as well, whether you accept it or not.

  • Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    What argument is there which demonstrates in principle that dragons, leprechauns, and Martians could not exist? Alas, I am aware of none.

    Alas, you are also unaware that you can't prove a negative.

    With this way of thinking everything is possible including your god, the Muslim god, the Greek gods and anything else you care to imagine.

    This does not prove your gods existence is any way.

    What disproves your god existence however is the fact that he doesn't make any sense as he is described in the Bible.

    There may be some higher power but it hasn't given us any indication that it exists (hence the complete lack of anything close to evidence) so it's quite sensible to carry on as if there isn't such things.

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