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Millions to Pray for Persecuted Christians on Sunday

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

Millions of Christians around the world will pray for their persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ Sunday in observance of the International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church.

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International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church video

In its 14th year, IDOP is one of the largest prayer events in the world. Last year, an estimated half a million churches in 150 countries participated in the event, according to Open Doors, an international Christian ministry that supports persecuted believers.

“The International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church presents a tremendous opportunity for millions of people to make a difference in the lives of those being persecuted for their faith in countries like North Korea, Iran, Iraq, China, India and many more,” said Open Doors USA President and CEO Dr. Carl Moeller.

He noted that the number one request by persecuted believers is always for those living in freedom to pray for them.

“And on Nov. 8 we have the opportunity to collectively lift our petitions to the Lord on their behalf,” Moeller said.

According to Open Doors an estimated 100 million Christians worldwide suffer from some form of persecution for their faith in Christ – ranging from interrogation to death. Millions more face discrimination and alienation.

The World Evangelical Alliance, the largest network of evangelicals in the world, cited Hebrews 13:3 as a reminder why Christians should pray on IDOP. The verse states: “Remember those in prison as if you were their fellow prisoners and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.”

Godfrey Yogarajah, executive director of The Religious Liberty Commission of WEA, recalled recently visiting several widows of Christian leaders who were killed in the violence last year in India’s Orissa state. He said they had lost everything: their homes, their possessions and their husbands.

“’We have lost everything except our faith,’” Yogarajah recalled one widow telling him as she held her baby tightly. “’Pray that we stay strong and bring up our children in the faith for which their fathers gave their lives.’”

Last year, Hindu extremists carried out the worst religious persecution in India’s 60 years of democracy. At least 120 people were murdered, 250 churches destroyed and over 50,000 individuals displaced in Orissa, India.

Jubilee Campaign USA, an advocacy group for persecuted Christians, says while IDOP is a time to pray for persecuted, it also serves another purpose.

“It is also a time to pray for the souls of the oppressors, the nations that promote persecution, and those who ignore it,” wrote Ann Buwalda, director of Jubilee Campaign USA, in an e-mail newsletter.

Jubilee Campaign along with WEA and Open Doors all call for prayers especially for North Korea, where Christians are persecuted the most.

Open Doors, which has ranked North Korea as the worst religious freedom violator for seven years in a row, estimates that the totalitarian regime detains at least 200,000 political and religious prisoners – more than any other country in the world. An estimated 40,000 to 60,000 of the prisoners are thought to be Christians.

Christians living in free countries are also asked to pray specifically for Iranian converts Maryam Rostampour, 27, and MarziehAmirizadeh Esmaeilabad, 30, who have been held in an Iranian prison for eight months for their faith.

Despite deteriorating physical health and psychological pressure, both women have refused to recant their faith in Jesus Christ.

Open Doors USA launched a campaign this past week to urge Iran to immediately release the two women.

“Each year, The International Day of Prayer for the Persecuted Church gives us the privilege of joining together with over half a million churches in 150 countries to pray for the suffering church,” WEA’s Yogarajah said.

“It plays a vital role in encouraging and strengthening the persecuted church and also awakening churches in places where there is no persecution,” he added.

To get more churches involved, Open Doors is providing free resources including church bulletin inserts, a Power Point slide, facts for pastors, and list of suggested activities.

Other groups currently active in serving the persecuted Church include Christian Freedom International, Christian Solidarity Worldwide, Gospel for Asia, International Christian Concern, and The Voice of the Martyrs, among others.

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  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    flee, "no one here follows the Bible, they just use the Bible to do what they want". That truly describes a person who is not a true believer but at best a member of a Christian denomination only!

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    flee, very thought provoking video, but please know there is a difference in Christianity between a true believer and people who happen to be part of a Christian denomination!

  • Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    flee, perhaps not by a fluke, but by a miracle!! I totally agree with your last sentence in that if my faith in God is not lived out in acts of love and kindness to others then there is a good chance my faith is not real. And most Christians I know do pray for persecuted peoples of the world but we also pray specifically for our persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ and we do what we can to help all persecuted peoples as well. And alhtough I may not be able to prove God exists to you, there is no doubt in my heart or mind that God does indeed exist. I would encourage you if you have not already to consider reading any of Lee Strobel's books, "The Case For Christ", The Case For The Creator", and "The Case For Faith", he was an atheist who set out to prove there is no God and low and behold God found him.

  • flee »
    Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Watch Waltz with Bashir, you may realize persecution has nothing to do with religion, but just minorities in general.
    Where Christians are a majority the persecution is because of them, where it is not it is because of another majority.
    Don't pray just for christians if your even going to pray, because if god's will happens, christians would only eventually do the same, don't believe it? If you believe someone would persecute someone on account of their religion, then you should see that plenty of Christians don't even believe in equality, or "it is easier for a camel to jump into the eye of a needle then for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven" aka socialism, no one here follows the bible, they just use the bible to do what they want, whether it's a sense of security, pride, or contentedness in oneself because you think you now have taken a step closer to being "holy"

    God is dead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylzO9vbEpPg

  • flee »
    Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    you're a bit assumptive don't you think? If naturalism were true, there would be no way of knowing it—or anything else not the direct result of a physical cause—and we could not even suppose it, except by a fluke.

    A rebellious christian is not a rebel to anything? Only to rationality, but that's the essence of what a christian is, a redundant cause of believing in god over anything else that might make more sense, in itself is absurd, and for that you continue to have faith that's why Christians are so strong they know it's absurd but for that it goes from a calling to a sense of pride(which is a sin) that you have faith in something that seems so far-fetched, i would respect that if it wasn't for the fact that notion has been taken to desperate limits, and if not the cause then it is the fanatical placebo effect.

    "Millions to pray for Persecuted Christians on Sunday?"
    what about the persecution of everyone?, and instead of praying and desiring, go out and stop the persecution, hopefully non-violently, any point to take your time out to pray is just another moment that you can go out and help.
    this is where faith recedes being a virtue, it has lost it's beauty and turns into a pathetic stubborn convincing that you are right and you have not doubted enough to at the least be humble enough to say "I don't know" and truly no one does.

    You and I are at heart are ignorant of whether or not god exists, you just assume you know, why not spend more time, helping those persecuted Christians than going to church for words of encouragement to continue being a christian.

    You should live your life and try to make the world a better place for your being in it, whether or not you believe in god, anything beyond that is just unethical faith.

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    flee, you asked rather bluntly how I know that, because I pray and study God's Word and do my best to listen to what God has to say. God speaks to us by His Holy Spirit, through His Word, Prayer, the Church, and Circumstances. But if we believe we are hearing from God and what we hear in anyway contradicts, violates, and/or supersedes the Word of God, then we have not heard from God!

  • Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    flee, God's Universal Will is the fulfillment of His Great Commission, Matthew 28:19-20, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." God invites all Christians to join Him in fulfilling that Commission. But that requires that a person first becomes a Christian and then as a Christian willing surrenders to the Lordship of Christ, the control of God's Holy Spirit, and God's plans and purposes for their life. If they refuse then God cannot effectively use them in helping Him fulfill His Commission. But the unique thing is that a Christian can jump on board any time they choose and they can jump off any time they choose, but while they are in the state of refusing to join God because He is our heavenly Father He will discipline us because He loves us and wants nothing but His best for us. And His best for us cannot be realized unless we have joined Him in fulfilling His Great Commission. And please keep in mind that from the world's view the rebellious Christian might look as content and prosperous as any other person, but spiritually they are a wreck and they know it even if those around them don't notice to include other Christians. So while God is completing His Universal Will, He at the same time is working individually by His Holy Spirit in the life of every believer. And that is why prayer is so vitally important and necessary in the life of a believer so they can stay close to God and better understand what God's specific plans and purposes are for their life. Plus as I said there are different types of prayer. Prayers of Thanksgiving, prayers of Confession, prayers of Adoration, prayers of Intercession, and prayers of Supplication are the major types of prayer available to every believer.

  • flee »
    Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    GOd's personal desire for the individual person is apart of god's universal will, how could they be seperate, that's like Water and Hydrogen, it's just apart of it, and in that sense everything you just said is not necessary through prayer, and how do you know that he wants that? Do you feel it? That's what I'm talking about. Maybe you mistranslated, maybe you are wrong, maybe i am, my point is that the price for misunderstanding god's will, is irrevocable, and maybe even harmful, so many people have done comepletely unethical things because they prayed about it, and god gave some answer. My point is that you keep saying it's because this and that, about how god wants this or want this. How in the hell do you know that? The bible goes in many directions, but somethings are not clarified, your taking the whole nine yards, and saying that god DOES, i don't want infinite regression, i just want to hear a direct answer, not fundamental boyscout jibber jabber. Now, considering god knows all (he has heard are prayers before we have them, etc.) god has a plan (so asking for something is pointless because his will will be done regardless), no more repetition, i know god loves us, and that he knows all, and blah blah blah, but seriously knowing that, why bother praying CONSIDERING what i just said?

  • Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    flee, was on my way to a meeting and wanted to better explain. When it comes to our personal needs I know through foreknowledge God already knows what will happen but we don't and God desires nothing but His best for His children and desires us to seek out nothing but His best for our needs. But we have to bring our concerns to Him and allow Him to know our desires and if we realize that God wants nothing but His best for us then we will always ask that regardless of what we believe is the best answer in a matter if it is not God's best then we want His answer to this matter and not ours. Nor do we want our answer in anyway to interfere with God's Universal Will and we let him know that we desire nothing more or nothing less then His Universal Will to be realized. So if our personal desires get in the way of His Universal Will, then we want His Universal Will to take precedence and our desire to be set aside.

  • Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    flee, there is a huge difference between foreknowledge and predestination. Plus, once again there is a difference between God's Universal Will and God's personal plans for the individual life of a person. God's Universal Will will indeed be fulfilled regardless of what we do or don't do. But God also wants us to join Him in doing His Universal Will which requires one to become a Christian and surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the control of God's Holy Spirit. Through prayer and God's Word we learn what God's Universal Will is and how we can join Him in fulfilling His Universal Will, through prayer we can bring before Him our concerns for others which deal with God's plans and desires for them individually which can only be realized if Christians are interceding on their behalf and depending on the issue if the person desires God's personal plans for them to be realized in their life.

  • flee »
    Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Looks to me like its God's will for us to pray.
    This is communication with your Creator through a relationship with Jesus Christ."

    isn't there such thing as a mistranslation? and it's god's will that we have that mistranslation? maybe we should question how praying does anything?
    If anyone reall cares about all the messed up stuff that happens, praying is only pleading with a god for your own desires, and he'll only tell you "too bad, so sad" because God's will will be done, and ou can't do anything, so why don't you stop praying, for an already predestined event, and do something about your problems, and when you really think you can't do anything, stop and think for alittle, before you even decide to pray, maybe just maybe then, your praing could be justified, not really, but i doubt praying will get anything done anyways.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, never said these passages were about marriage but only that they clearly show the negative consequences of polygamy, of violating God's original and only design for marriage!

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, well the reality is that you know I have but for some reason in your refusal to acknowledge God's truth in this matter you choose to reject per usual the truth as found in God's Word! Have a good night!!

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:20 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Fun as it is posting to old closeted gay men, I think I'm going to find something else to do. Good nights.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "real mickey, and once again you cite not one valid scripture to support your view, but per usual nothing new for you."

    And neither have you, but per usual nothing new for you.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "real mickey, a son from one mother rapes a daughter from another mother and her brother murders the half-brother who raped her. Joseph is sold into slavery by his half brothers. And on and on the examples of the negative consequences of polygamy go! And yet in real mickey's mind there is no connection between these consequences and polygamy!!"

    No false believer there is no connection. You missed the whole point of the story and instead twist it to be about a marriage you don't approve of. You are unbelievable.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, a son from one mother rapes a daughter from another mother and her brother murders the half-brother who raped her. Joseph is sold into slavery by his half brothers. And on and on the examples of the negative consequences of polygamy go! And yet in real mickey's mind there is no connection between these consequences and polygamy!!

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, and once again you cite not one valid scripture to support your view, but per usual nothing new for you.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "real mickey, that might be even a wee bit close to being true if it weren't for the fact that every polygamous relationship spoken to in the Word of God had negative if not deadly consequences and never once do we read how anyone in a polygamous relationship saw any positive consequences from it!"

    Yet false believer, there is not connection between what happened and the polygamous unions. You simply WANT it to be the cause without reason. This is typical of your entire position on everything. You have no real facts, just your own agenda. That is why I will never take anything you say as truth.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    real mickey, that might be even a wee bit close to being true if it weren't for the fact that every polygamous relationship spoken to in the Word of God had negative if not deadly consequences and never once do we read how anyone in a polygamous relationship saw any positive consequences from it!

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:47 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "real mickey, why am I not surprised that you can't put two and two together with regards to the problems caused in the lives of people like Isaac and David and their families as a result of polygamy!!"

    As is typical of your kind, you will blame anything bad on whatever suits your purpose. The advent of a discease can easily be blamed on some group of people, people have problems but it can be blamed on the fact that they didn't marry right. Please, we've all had enough of your nonsense and superstitions. Neither the Bible nor God say anything against polygamny. As a matter of fact some of the major people in the Bible were polygamists and nothing that happened to them can be attributed to polygamy except by a few who like to twist the Bible to their own ends. God, Himself even took one man's wives and gave them (all of them) to another instead of just freeing them. The more you twist the Bible, the more everyone can see that YOU worship your own agenda, not God.

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, why am I not surprised that you can't put two and two together with regards to the problems caused in the lives of people like Isaac and David and their families as a result of polygamy!!

  • Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:37 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "real mickey, and yet you still provide valid scripture to show God ordained polygamy and in fact God's Word clearly shows the damage done as a result of polygamy. And God's Word records not once or even twice but four times God's original and only design for marriage. God declares it in Genesis 2:24, Christ reaffirms it in the Gospels, and Paul reaffirms it in Ephesians."

    False believer What utter nonsense. You blame polygamy for things that had nothing to do with it. You are so determined to force your will on the Bible that you will lie and twist every passage to conform. Your constant blasphemy gets very tiresome.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, and yet you still provide valid scripture to show God ordained polygamy and in fact God's Word clearly shows the damage done as a result of polygamy. And God's Word records not once or even twice but four times God's original and only design for marriage. God declares it in Genesis 2:24, Christ reaffirms it in the Gospels, and Paul reaffirms it in Ephesians.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    gguy, and as I said there is a difference between a legalist and someone who truly follows the Word of God in their desire to serve God most effectively. II Timothy 3:16-17 says this about the Word of God, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work". But according to real mickey we are free to pick and choose what we want to adhere to and what we choose not to adhere to regardless of what God has to say about an issue as found in His Word. Imagine if you will what would be the effectiveness of organizations that told their members that they were free to pick and choose which of the regulations or directives they want to adhere to, utter chaos and the organization would more than likely be totally ineffective in accomplishing their mission. And the same is true for God's Church and God's mission for His Church. Every true believer is called of God to join Him in fulfilling His Great Commission and His inerrant Word is the primary directive God uses to show us how to effectively join Him in accomplishing His Great Commission. That is not to say all actions are limited to the Word of God alone, but it does mean that if anything is considered that violates, contradicts, and/or supersedes His inerrant Word, what ever that is being considered must be rejected.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "gguy, that's not genius that is simply somebody doing it their own sinful way and then trying to get others to believe God is okay with it even though it violates, contradicts, and/or supersedes His inerrant Word."

    believer, I don't think so. Ask 20 people what the "inerrant" word even is, and you'll get about 16 different answers.

    No, I've seen the type of people Mickey describes, the rule followers. My extended family is loaded with them. His post is spot on.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, but God's Word does speak clearly to His original and only design for both marriage and sexual intimacy and the reality is both same-sex marriage and sexual initmacy outside of marriage violate God's design for both!

    False believer, God never gives any specific design for marriage. The Bible shows a number of them including polygamy. You only want the Bible to support your own choices based on ego, not love of God.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, another blatant lie on your part since I have shared a number of times the clearly spelled out passages of scripture that speak to both marriage and sexual intimacy and you come up with verses that have absolutely nothing to do with either!!

    False believer, another blatant lie on your part since you post nothing that supports your arguments, only things that you pretend do. Your constant lies about God and Bible fool no one.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, considering I'm not in any such battle and apparently you are with regards to your own sexual orientation, it's apparent you are the one making false posts on all these sites with regards to the sins of homosexuality.

    False believer, your constant denials are belied by your posts. You are still fighting against your sexual orientation and it shows constantly. The Bible never calls homosexuality a sin and you know it as does anyone who's read the Bible. Your constant interest in MY sexual orientation is strictly based on your own base prurient needs.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, another blatant lie on your part since I have shared a number of times the clearly spelled out passages of scripture that speak to both marriage and sexual intimacy and you come up with verses that have absolutely nothing to do with either!!

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, but God's Word does speak clearly to His original and only design for both marriage and sexual intimacy and the reality is both same-sex marriage and sexual initmacy outside of marriage violate God's design for both!

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, and yet you have yet to provide any valid scripture to show the truths I share as found in God's Word are not indeed valid!! So before you accuse others of posting false views, you might want to examine your blatantly false views in light of the truth clearly found in God's Word.

    False believer, you have yet to show anything that supports your agenda. We've been through this as have many others and you cannot support your misconceptions. You use the Bible for your own agenda because of your personal problems. When you eventually admit your personal issues with God, then and only then will you truly come to love and understand His Word. Until then,your words have no meaning to true Christians.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, considering I'm not in any such battle and apparently you are with regards to your own sexual orientation, it's apparent you are the one making false posts on all these sites with regards to the sins of homosexuality.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, and yet you have yet to provide any valid scripture to show the truths I share as found in God's Word are not indeed valid!! So before you accuse others of posting false views, you might want to examine your blatantly false views in light of the truth clearly found in God's Word.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:59 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, the reality is you understand that to follow the truths taught in God's Word would force you to acknowledge the sins of homosexuality and would force you to be accountable to God for all the blatant lies and false accusations you've made on these sites. So rather than do what's right in God's sight you choose to ignore and to discount the Word of God.

    False believer, your own battle against homosexuality has blinded you to the truth. Using the Bible to justify your agenda only shows that you have no love for God and only use Him out of your own self hatred.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    real mickey, considering Christ says that if we love Him we'll obey His commands and if the Word of God contains His commands, then apparently God's desire is for us to live according to the truths found in His Word.

    False believer, considering neither Christ nor God said anything against homosexuality or even called it a sin, then there is little point to your comment.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, the reality is you understand that to follow the truths taught in God's Word would force you to acknowledge the sins of homosexuality and would force you to be accountable to God for all the blatant lies and false accusations you've made on these sites. So rather than do what's right in God's sight you choose to ignore and to discount the Word of God.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:56 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "real mickey, and if he believes he heard from God it was permissible to do things that violate, contradict, and/or supersede the Word of God then he did not hear from God!"

    Nothing he does that I know of violates, contradicts and/or supersedes the Word of God. It only violates, contradicts and/or supersedes the Word of False Believer. Your denial of God's will does not make it untrue. Once again, forcing your false doctrine on everyone is sinful.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    real mickey, considering Christ says that if we love Him we'll obey His commands and if the Word of God contains His commands, then apparently God's desire is for us to live according to the truths found in His Word.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "real mickey, you really need to spend some time in the Word of God since your ignorance of God's Truth is readily apparent. But what's new for liberal Christians!!"

    False believer, you don't even understand the Word of God so your advice has little meaning. When you quit trying to force God over to your will, people might start taking you seriously. But that's what pretend Christians do.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, you really need to spend some time in the Word of God since your ignorance of God's Truth is readily apparent. But what's new for liberal Christians!!

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, and if he believes he heard from God it was permissible to do things that violate, contradict, and/or supersede the Word of God then he did not hear from God!

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "gguy, that's not genius that is simply somebody doing it their own sinful way and then trying to get others to believe God is okay with it even though it violates, contradicts, and/or supersedes His inerrant Word."

    Once again, false believer, you prove that it is a book and not God that you follow.

  • Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "real mickey, per usual you didn't read the entire post and/or you're not capable of getting it!! But I did not say we can only learn God's Will through His Word only. We can indeed hear and learn God's Will through Prayer, His Church, and our Circumstances but His Word is the final authority with regards to His Will. So if any of the three other ways that God speaks to us by His Holy Spirit contradict, violate, and/or supersede the Word of God then you are not hearing from God nor is what you're hearing God's Will!!"

    False believer, as usual you didn't get my point. Your constant harping on homosexuality proves that you believe that only what you think should be believed by others Mike85 has told you any number of times that he has a relationship with God and that God has revealed his path to him. You base your opinions on a book and nothing else.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    gguy, there is a huge difference in legalism as you described and Christians who desire to live lives that are pleasing to God. God's Word gives us the ability and the directions we need to do the latter. We just don't get to pick and choose what we want to believe if indeed we truly desire to live lives that are pleasing to God. The extremes in Christianity with regards to our walk with the Lord is legalism and carnality and neither one of these is pleasing to God. God desires His followers to be wholeheartedly surrendered to the Lordship of Christ and the control of the Holy Spirit. To do that effectively one must have a passionate desire out of their love for God to do, say, and think in ways that are truly pleasing to God as a result of our love for God.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    gguy, that's not genius that is simply somebody doing it their own sinful way and then trying to get others to believe God is okay with it even though it violates, contradicts, and/or supersedes His inerrant Word. This method is used by carnal Christians or those who say they are a Christian but have never had a genuine conversion experience and are still lost.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    real mickey, per usual you didn't read the entire post and/or you're not capable of getting it!! But I did not say we can only learn God's Will through His Word only. We can indeed hear and learn God's Will through Prayer, His Church, and our Circumstances but His Word is the final authority with regards to His Will. So if any of the three other ways that God speaks to us by His Holy Spirit contradict, violate, and/or supersede the Word of God then you are not hearing from God nor is what you're hearing God's Will!!

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Some think that God works from a set of rules and nothing more. That is not the case, it is what those who really have no faith want. With rules you need no faith. You just follow all the rules and everything will be ok. Unfortunately, when the rules don't help, then people become lost."

    This is absolute GENIUS. This is prcisely what I have seen over and over and over among christians. Not all, of course. There are many wonderful, loving christians. But then there are the ones who turn faith into nothing more than a game of who can follow the rules best. The minute they see anyone they perceive as not following them as well, they pounce all over that person. That kind of behavior shows absolutely no respect for or understanding of true christian principles.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "believer - yes, that is your belief and it works for you. I also have my belief and it works for me. And we are equal. And we are free (should be) to each live our lives by our own beliefs."

    Indeed so Garageguy. God reveals Himself to each in his own way. Many cannot accept that which is due to ego. Some think that God works from a set of rules and nothing more. That is not the case, it is what those who really have no faith want. With rules you need no faith. You just follow all the rules and everything will be ok. Unfortunately, when the rules don't help, then people become lost.

  • Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:41 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "real mickey, God speak to us by His Holy Spirit, through the Bible, Prayer, the Church, and Circumstances. But if any of the latter three contradict, violate, or supersede the Word of God, then a person or persons are not hearing from God!! So if someone believes they are hearing from God and they are being told something contrary to the Word of God, such as cheating on their spouse is okay, then they are not hearing from God."

    While I sincerely believe that what you say is something that describes your personal situation, your total reliance on a book separates you from the will of God. The fact that YOU can only know the will of God through a book proves that you have no real contact with God.

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