DARWINISM and ATHEISM: UNSCIENTIFIC and MYTHICAL

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WE ARE NOW WITNESSING THE EXTINCTION OF ATHEISM.

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"So the atheist in a way is getting a little more desperate," D'Souza believes.

The atheist is getting a little more disgusted, not desperate. The atheist wonders when will people stop acting like children who have invisible friends. The atheist see religious stupidity everywhere and he wonders when the world will grow up.

If we as Christians are to successfully present our case in the public arena, we must first confess our own diversity. We range from Liberal to Conservative, span all ethnicities, and interpret the Bible in a multitude of ways. Some of us are Theistic Evolutionists, like Joan Roughgarden of Stanford University who is a world-renown Evolutionary Biologist and a person of strong, Christian faith. If you interpret every word of the Bible literally, I believe you're going to run into a lot of scientific roadblocks. Though I believe strongly in the divinity of Jesus Christ, I also accept the fact that the universe is billions of years old and that evolution is itself a manifestation of God's glory. I believe that humanity is but one of many sentient races that God has created throughout the universe. The time scales of evolution and the magnanimity of the cosmos do not derail my faith. I was raised in the Fundamentalist tradition in a Christian school before graduating from a public university with a degree in Mathematics and Physics. I am also an author of Civil Rights literature. However, as I read history, I see that the face of Christianity is not always the face of Christ. Many fools have committed atrocities in the name of our faith. But there is another river that flows through history that is far more compelling; and that river flows through the stories of great human beings like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Quakers of the 19th Century willing to risk fortune, life and limb to liberate slaves. You’re not going to reach people by showing God to them in a test tube, or in elaborate mathematical formulations. The language of science does not answer WHY. Rather, it follows a sequence of repeatable events that lead to expected conclusions. An unbeliever will more likely be reached by the love of God expressed through human beings than by a science text. We seem to have forgotten that essential truth when we blast gays with greater venom than we show toward terrorists. God is the God of all people, not just those who look, behave, dress, act and talk just like us. We need to show how our faith has pioneered the great liberation movements of history, either directly or indirectly. To be honest, the face that we present to the world is most often penchant, intractable and exclusive. You don’t reach unbelievers that way.

holito8: your analogy fails. Parents are accountable to society for how they raise their children. You believe in a god who is accountable to no one, and you can't recognize the corruption in that.

So parents pass every decision thru the community before they make it? If so tell me why haven't I been asked any question about clothing, schooling, hygine, and etc concerning every child in society. Ooops! My parents made in their own choices on many matter. So you equate God, omiscient to a person limited intellect.

Here’s a link to an article from the LA Times, titled “10 myths -- and 10 truths -- about atheism”:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-harris24dec24,0,6970228,full.story

From the story:

“Most polls show that about 90% of the general public believes in a personal God; yet 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences do not. This suggests that there are few modes of thinking less congenial to religious faith than science is.”

I don’t think you’re going to win any arguments with atheists that are based on science.

Ezekiel 28: 2
.. Thus says the Lord God: ‘Because your heart is lifted up, and you say, I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods, in the midst of the seas, yet you are a man, and not a god, though you set your heart as the heart of a god (Behold, you are wiser than Daniel! There is no secret that can be hidden from you! With your wisdom and understanding you have gained riches for yourself, and gathered gold and silver into your treasuries; By your great wisdom in trade you have increased your riches, and your hear is lifted up because of your riches….


I never said expanding your knowledge is a bad thing. Do have children? Do you tell them all the decisions you make? Can you understand what God is saying?

holito8: Hey, you are the one who chooses to artificially limit your horizons by buying Christian dogma. If you refused to believe things which lacked evidence, then you too could expand your knowledge and learning without fear of losing a stagnant and fragile faith. But since you do not, that's no cause to issue threats against those of us who do learn and grow. If everyone took the same attitude you express, we'd all still be sitting in caves eating raw dead animals.

Ultimately you want to master life and death, creation and destruction and be masters over all sounds familiar like survival of the fittest. Stalin, Kublai Kan, Alexander the Great, and etc to name a few had a similar plan. You will say no; we have no alterive motive. But you won’t take responsibility for your actions.

Genesis 3:22
…the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil. And now lest he put out his hand take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever.”

Genesis 11:4
And the people said, “come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

Isaiah 14:13-14
For you (Lucifer) have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north;
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’

You assail that you have a right to know it all. Science will prevail against God. His creation will be like Him a god. You will use His natural world to prove your theories. You will change and become truly great.

Man was expelled from the garden. The people were scattered at Babel. Lucifer and all those who followed his teaching were cast out of heaven.
Thus will be the fate of all who challenge God.

He a man who wrote a book that doesn't make him an authority on nature. He still learning. If he knew everything, he'd be a god. But he not and he is making speculations on what appears to come from "controlled data." He puffing himself up to be a truth teller, but he still doesn't have the complete picture. Thus, you can follow him all you want. A man leading a man... Yet better, a man still learning and telling another his has sure knowledge and wisdom. That's kinda funny... Blind leading the blind and neither knows whats around the corner. Some people would rather be in darkness than seeing in the light stumbling from one theory to the next hoping its the "holy grail."

holito8: Adaptation happens over time, through reproduction. If the environment changes fast enough, there won't be time for a beneficial mutation to appear and be selected for. Read The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, for an explanation of genes and natural selection.

Everyone talks about evolution to explain what they cannot not prove. My sister and I had a discussion on this last night. Why is it no one can find these missing links but claim they lived. Now, they can find the beginning and the end but not the middle. So they look at that is comparable to other species, and says O this is the missing evolved state. I don't claim species have made adaptions to adjust to environmental changes.
However, there is a term known as extinction. Entire species have been show to have died out. With shrinking habitats, why aren't more species adapting and becoming something else. Instead, they are on the verge of dying out. Because they cannot change species, they cannot break the laws which governs them. Once they have adapated as much as possible there isn't another choice for them. Adapting means improving on your dietiary constraints added more variety to your diet. Diet does not make you another species. Some humans are vegetarians and some are more carnivirious. But they are both still humans. Some bateria are resistant to some drugs and some are not. However, they are the same type of bacteria.
Why haven't they become something else more like there adapations?

Holito8: Did you learn creationism or ID in your classes, or did that come from somewhere else.

Holito8: I've read enough and taken enough classes to know that the creation accounts of genesis are not "truths because they are true" as you wrote earlier.

Books or classes have you takened.

I took comparative anatomy, microbiology, cellular biology and experimental biochemistry.

holito8: Just out of curiosity, what books have you read concerning the theory of evolution?

A theory's predictions are what we would expect to also be true if the theory is true. It could be that it would not be that way for reasons we don't understand, so in sense, they could be called "educated guesses." Those predictions, or hypotheses, or "educated guesses" are then tested to see if they are also the case. As I said, if they aren't that way, either the theory is wrong or we don't understand the relationship between the variables as well as we thought. If they are true, that is added support for the theory being accurate.

Finally, we have a basis for understanding. First a person sees what God has made. Understanding it all works just as He said and there is no variation. You can argue minute changes in an animal or etc. But a dog is still a dog even if it has a thick coat in a cold climate.
You do no understand why God make the Bible so easy to understand. God made the Bible simple so that even a fool, one who tries to find folly within it, could not err. Every man whether learned or not with a sound mind can read and understand it with out someone telling him what it says. God gave simple thing to his children so that all generations who read it can find Him. Many have read with eyes of "Sinai" and have not seen.

holito8: You aren't making sense. What is "it" and what real thing is "it" close to but not the real thing? What do you mean "a theory can fail even as it passes?" Can you give an example?

A theory's predictions are what we would expect to also be true if the theory is true. It could be that it would not be that way for reasons we don't understand, so in sense, they could be called "educated guesses." Those predictions, or hypotheses, or "educated guesses" are then tested to see if they are also the case. As I said, if they aren't that way, either the theory is wrong or we don't understand the relationship between the variables as well as we thought. If they are true, that is added support for the theory being accurate.

Where are you going with this?

So you say a theory is accurate. Then why is it called a precise prediction. Now my understanding is that it is as close to the actual thing but not the real thing. That means it is not, and also the parameters are controlled to get the desired outcome to avoid error. That means a theory can fail even if it passes sometimes. Therefore, it is not completely accurate. According to the scientific definition, you chose to use.
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena. Most theories that are accepted by scientists have been repeatedly tested by experiments and can be used to make PREDICTIONS about natural phenomena."
Again, what's the scientific definition of prediction? When you admit a prediction is an "educated" guess, we can proceede forth.