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Re:maranatha7593, GMG, and myself had a very firey debate with Citizen about the sin of abortion. It is worth the read.

The discussion with Citizen was on Monday night in case you are interested.

love wins

I am 100% pro-life. I do not approve of taking the life of an unborn child at any stage of gestation. To do so would be murder. I don't even approve of having fertility clinics.

maranatha7593, GMG, and myself had a very firey debate with Citizen about the sin of abortion. It is worth the read.

star2 .. how old does a "fetus" have to be to be "considered" a baby?? Maybe we should be able to kill little children up to 2 years of age because they're not fully developed either?? This baby has its own set of DNA, its own blood type, its own heart, eyes, mouth, feet, and hands.. he/she needs food, and shelter from its mother while he/she is in the womb, and when this baby is born he/she needs food and shelter.. no different from when its in the womb!!! Same basic needs!! Although, in one scenario there's an open season on its very life!! What should be the SAFEST place in this babies life, is its most dangerous place-in the womb.. Millions of babies have been put to the grave inside of their own mothers.. thats sooo sooo sad!

Defend the right to life, Support Dr. Ron Paul now!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

Aren't you sick of politicians using this as a political football while babies die?! I'm tired of hearing how "conservative" and "prolife" they are UNTIL they take the office! Check Rep. Paul's 10-term record - he is an honest man.

Also check YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk
Ron Paul speaks at the National Right to Life Convention

also WWW.PRAYFORPAUL.COM cut & paste & share these links, God Bless you all.

http://www.christiansforronpaul.com/
http://prayforpaul.com/

maranatha7593

People who have come to support Dr. Paul do so, not because of the type of sin they are under but because he speaks truth in the face of great obstacles. He stands for a return to constitutionally-defined, limited government, sound money, respect for life and liberty - ALL life, a strong national defense, no nation-building, etc. Go to his site and read his "issues" articles.

For 10 terms, he has stood almost entirely alone in the Congress for these principles, voting against anything that is unconstitutional while our other "representatives" mock and ridicule him. He stands on Christ's power, believing in His truth and disregarding what the world says is popular. His consistent message of freedom is appealing to many in these last days.

star2, thank you for the kind (and TRUE) words. But, I must give credit where credit is due. It was GMG who made those comments. I just "amen-ed" them. So, here's the correction: :-)

GMG said to you, "Abortion also deals with human life. Abortion demeans the meaning of life, the importance of life, inures us to the thought of life having value."

These comments that you made to MuggleBorn only goes to prove that GMG is right in what s/he says.

Dagny, I agree with you about abortion. Can you explain to me why prostitutes are so strongly wanting Ron Paul to be elected?

For 35 years, millions of innocents have been being killed.
For 35 years our elected officials have claimed to be prolife and promised to "work on it"
Roe v Wade has stood for 35 years because no one has challenged the Constitutionality of the decision - they talk the talk....
For 35 years, Dr. Ron Paul has been delivering babies (more than 4,000)
As a confressman he has put forth legislation that DIRECTLY challenges the constitutionality of ROE v WADE, returning control to the States as the Founders designed. The very instant that occurs, the voices for the unborn can be heard once more!

Will there remain any States that allow abortion? Possibly - if we aren't effective enough, it's possible, however returning the abortion issue to the State level means it will no longer be legal in all of them! How many lives could have been saved if Ron Paul's legislation had been backed long ago??

For what he believes I hope that you and others will go to:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/life-and-liberty/

Aren't you sick of politicians using this as a political football while babies die?! I'm tired of hearing how "conservative" and "prolife" they are UNTIL they take the office! Check Rep. Paul's 10-term record - he is an honest man.

Also check YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXZpuIXEzWk
Ron Paul speaks at the National Right to Life Convention

Citizen

Re:muggleborn: Tell me, how hard do you have to work to maintain your shocked, SHOCKED outrage about those pictures of aborted fetuses (which aren't persons) after, no doubt, waving them around for months and years? I understand that you all have plastic models fetuses, too. When no one's around, do you ever take them out and play with them like action figures?

maranatha7593 said to you, "Abortion also deals with human life. Abortion demeans the meaning of life, the importance of life, inures us to the thought of life having value."

These comments that you made to MuggleBorn only goes to prove that maranatha7593 is right in what she says.

You have a sin sick mind.

Oh. Hey, citizen. It must've taken you at least a good half-hour to come up with THAT gem. Congratulations.

So, we'll replace comics & toys for Neil Gaiman books. But I guess the rest of it was right on the money.

"gothic Newbury Comics Collectibles"? No idea what those are, but apparently you do. Guess I know where to go if I ever need dork lessons. Apparently I've met the master.

Citizen.
First, you can't judge a person's mood by the emoticons they use. The smile in that context was more of a reflex hysteria at your absurdity.

What I find more shocking than anything is your complete and utter denial. You could probably perform an abortion and not believe what you were seeing right in front of you. I wouldn't be surprised if you deny the Holocaust, too. Or is it just one of those "Not in this country" contentions.

You live in a fantasy world. Someone needs to invent a new word for how ridiculous you are. The only people who might be more absurd are 911 conspiracy theorists, and flat-earthers (who are mostly athients BTW ... weird!)

I guess it's my turn to be presumptuous, now.
Why don't you just log off your computer and recline back on the futon in your apartment in the basement of your parents house, and watch your box set of Star Trek TNG. Maybe over a can of Jolt and some Doritos you can laugh about how Christians lie to themselves and waste their lives believing in something that can't be proven, while you sit and admire your gothic Newbury Comics collectibles and replica posters of 'Nosferatu' and 'Plan 9 From Outer Space'. Maybe you'll get a good 35 more years or so out of them, and at the end of it all, you can relish in the fact that you lived a good life by providing yourself with frivolous luxuries.

Later, "dude".

See what I mean? Phony outrage, phony self-righteousness. You can turn it on and off like a light switch. I'm actually somewhat impressed...have you ever thought of getting into acting?

And now we know. Thanks for the confirmation, citizen.

muggleborn: Tell me, how hard do you have to work to maintain your shocked, SHOCKED outrage about those pictures of aborted fetuses (which aren't persons) after, no doubt, waving them around for months and years? I understand that you all have plastic models fetuses, too. When no one's around, do you ever take them out and play with them like action figures? Seriously, grow up, and lose the phony self-righteousness.

maranatha7593

Amen.

On this 35th anniversary of the beginning of the modern American holocaust, I pray that God will have mercy on our land and not allow us to reap what we have sown. I pray that all Americans, from small to great, from the lowliest worker to the highest-ranking leaders, will receive the revelation from God's Word that the blood of these innocents cries out to Him, and He hears their cries. I pray that we will obey His Word in Proverbs 29 by speaking out on behalf of these who cannot speak for themselves.

May we who are called by His name truly humble ourselves, pray, seek His face, and turn from our wicked ways, knowing as we do so that He has promised to hear from Heaven, forgive our sin, and heal our land. In the mighty, precious, Holy Name of Jesus - Amen.

Citizen,

The only thing that star2 conceded to is that your arguments are all based on the fallible logic of a group of people whose decisions have no absolute authority and are relative to your precious zeitgeist that hold so dear, which I might add, is rendered culturally and temporally by a group of people who have no absolute authority. You cling to it like the baby chimp in the lab who clings to its wire mesh mother.

You’ve been asked to visit these links. You’ve mentioned nothing about them. Until you look at the photos and tell us in your own words, what they are of, ALL your arguments, and even your convictions lack ANY sort of credibility.

Visit the links:
PHOTOS of aborted human fetuses retrieved from a dumpster:
http://priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/mm2.htm

PHOTOS of 1st trimester abortions:
http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/index.htm

PHOTOS of 2nd trimester abortions:
http://priestsforlife.org/resources/dc/index.htm

PHOTOS of late term abortions:
http://priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm

Look at the photos. WHAT ARE THEY? I think we can agree they’re not blastocysts. DON’T give us the run-around. DON’T give back contemptuous remarks, like “They’re your way of trying to do this or that”. WHAT ARE THEY? Give us a noun (with optional adjectives), describing what you see.

Look at them and tell us they’re not persons. At least then, we’ll know for sure what sort of “person” you are.

GMG said, "Do we ever make bad laws, laws that are really made because we find them modern, convenient, useful and justifiable simply because it's what we want to do? Like slavery?

Abortion is like that. Abortion also deals with human life. Abortion demeans the meaning of life, the importance of life, inures us to the thought of life having value. Our society is wrong. And we have no real excuses. If ever we had the means to prevent pregnancy it is in our modern age, and yet we are still acting like immature kids who don't want to face the consequences of our choices. We don't want to have to "give up" our freedom on any plane. How sad we are."

Well said! Bravo!