Former Vice President Al Gore found a responsive crowd among thousands of Baptists when he brought his green message to Atlanta Thursday.
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It's not easy being green, just ask Kermit.
Wow, that will be cool. The Baptists are now going to live like John the Baptist, wearing camel skin and eating locusts and honey. Get your cave now, before the big rush. Hey guys, how about a little discernment here?
One way we honor God is by being good stewards of what He has placed in our command, which includes taking care of the earth. It doesn't mean we worship creation. I'm not sure where you got that from, but no one ever said that or implied that.
Perhaps each true FOLLOWER of Jesus Christ should first ask if we are worshipping the Creator or the creation. Let us each examine ouselves to be sure that we are not violating the Lord's commandments regarding idolatry before we simply pay mindless homage to modern notions of enviornmental stewardship.
Will the real Christian please stand up!
Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Al Gore might be sincere but they are not Christians.
Christians know that GOD condemns homosexuality (Sodom & Gommorrah) and that the scripture teaches in 8 (eight) different places against homosexuality.
Come on my American brothers & sisters your history as a Christian nation is a proud one, with some mistakes yes, but you have been a light shining on a hill, Salt among the nations, please take right ground, we are praying for you.
100% South African
JC,
What does that have to do with taking care of our planet?
"As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease." (Genesis 8:22).
Enough said.
kc:
1: Do you believe, that as stewards of this earth (which is what God asked us to be) that we should take care of it?
2: Do you believe that we are being good stewards of our earth?
Yes , we are to pray to God for wisdom in how to treat his creation. We are to have faith that things can change...but faith without works is dead. Which I think is what you are saying too (I hope). On our own, we cannot change. But God also gave us commn sense. If carbon emissions and coal power plants are polluting our air (which they are), we don't need to ask God if we should explore alternative energy. If I see a man dying on the side of the road, I'm not going to ask God if I should stop and help him. Common sense says something needs to be done., and I'm gonna do it. Common sense is God whispering in our ear. People need to listen more often.
wilderness and seedplanter thank you for the good links.
Prophet- How does a Christian talk?
What I do not believe in is Al Gore I believe he is a charlatan. My Faith is in the God of our Holy Bible. This planet has gone through many changes when God has wanted change and or he lets it happen. We humans are lost without God, fervent prayer is what is needed, not scare tactics by a bunch of socialist non-believers. When I said keep your eyes on Jesus, and have faith, that is so you don't follow the un-Godly. I don't believe humans will fix climate changes
unless we do it through prayer and God decides just like Noah and the Ark.
Ask Jesus to be Lord of your life not Al Gore.
And it is good to be green just not stupid.......Prophet
Wow, kc, are you even a Chrisitan? Because you don't talk like one.
I came to the conclusion that you did not believe in global warming by your two posts from Saturday. The first one says:
"jammieholland said
"Hear me O America, There is no Global Warming, look at the so-called evidence, there is no Global Warming. WAKE UP BAPTIST! Its ok to be green, just not stupid. "
THANK YOU and Amen.!"
And the second says:
"Al Gore... he says he invented the internet. Now he is inventing global warming ad will get richer from carbon credits."
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/pointlss.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy#Existence_of_a_scientific_consensus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/e107_plugins/links_page/links.php
http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/
Prophet i mean
Hahaha there you go again, you said "I merely stated an opinion. I just find it odd that you don't believe in the possibility of global warming"
How could you know that I don't believe in the possibility of global warming?
Where is your faith "Profet"
kc
You said "Prophet- Because I don't worship Al Gore you have decided I want to trash the earth?" Show me where I said that.
You also said "What was it that made you so mad about my post was it that I said we need to keep our eye on Jesus?"
Show me where I got mad.
I merely stated an opinion. I just find it odd that you don't believe in the possibility of global warming. We all have our opinions. I would like to know your take on why the polar caps are shrinking. Why climates are changing. Why weather patterns are changing. I'm sure that your views on that are nothing that I haven't heard already, but it would be refreshing to hear it from you.
I have never heard Gore speak on anything at all, much less his views of global warming. My opinions come from facts stated by a number of different sources that I have come across over the years.
I've heard it said that there is no concrete proof of global warming. But, then again, there is no concrete proof that it isn't. I choose to err on the side of caution, and the earth...instead of laziness and mankind's selfish ambitions.
The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore’s Carbon Crusade
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22663
Prophet- Because I don't worship Al Gore you have decided I want to trash the earth?
What was it that made you so mad about my post was it that I said we need to keep our eye on Jesus?
Are you aware (since you stated you are not political) that many, many scientists that disagree with Al Gore's political movement have been threatened for publicly disagreeing with the socialist/democrat political machine?
Prophet,
I don’t think that’s what you posted there. Both of the posts in which you said that against me are still there further down.
Somebody flagged me, so let me repost.
If the Bible says that "God said", and someone doesn't believe it...then they don't believe God. Period.
No one has attempted to manipulate the world no more than, those who used their Bibles, to do so To use Gore's internet verbal stumble to suggest he is intentionally misleading on climate change, must have no other logic to use. Man has already polluted the vast oceans to the point that is dangerous for some to consume food from the ocean. Foods they have relied on for many generations. The arrogance of those who say man can't cause climate change. I'll refuse to allow anyone to use the tenants of their faith to adversely affect my life and the lives of those that will follow us.
Boy.... this is a very interesting picture! The New Baptist voice seems to be a voice riddled with compromise. Besides how can Al Gore speak of "glorifying GOD'S creation" while supporting all of the anti JESUS CHRIST and GOD the FATHER policies that he and his cronies create? Glorifying GOD'S creation starts with valuing human life! This entire ordeal is "Hogwash!" How can anyone take any of this seriously? For further comment on global warming among other things check out zadokrev.blogspot.com thanks!
C'mon, folks. THIS IS PURE DRIVEL...GOBBLE, BOBBLE, NONSENSE!!!! Al Gore is no more of a prophet than the tree in my backyard, and that tree is far more credible than Al Gore, anyday.
The fact is, GORE is a Democratic Socialist!! Pure and simple. What's the matter with the Baptists. Have they lost their minds!!!
REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!
Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Hillary, Barbara Boxer, and Bill Clinton all need to be deported to the South Sandwich Islands.
1 Timothy 4:1
[ The Great Apostasy ] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Timothy 4:1-3 (in Context) 1 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
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2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
2 Timothy 4:2-4 (in Context) 2 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
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2 Peter 2:1
[ Destructive Doctrines ] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:1-3 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter
Why won't Al Gore debate?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59470
Global warming: Fact or fable?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59909
Global warming or climate change?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59697
Kc: “I do see that we are destroying our earth. If you want to justify your reason to continue trashing our earth, then feel free. I (as well as all Christians) was told by God that we are to be in charge of this earth. I don't think He intended for us to trash it the way that we have and are.
1. Do people act reckless with nature? –Yes
2. Has God given us a mandate to care for the earth? –Yes
3. Does this mean that global warming is true? –No
4. Does this imply that global warming is manmade? –No
5. Does this mean that man can reverse global warming? –No
6. Does this imply that GW skeptics want to destroy the environment? –No
“I don't believe we are exploring alternative, clean energy sources to their fullest extent. That, we can thank the oil cartel and investors for. And I don't believe we are faithful stewards in all that God has given us responsibility for. It's time to take responsibility for our own arrogance, lust, and selfishness.”
Speaking of investors, most people who have a 401K are actually investing in oil. Even big oil critic Michael Moore has invested in Halliburton. Nevertheless, what’s wrong with nuclear power plants? Most liberals don’t like them, even though France (which is not known for being conservative) has the biggest one in the world. Taking responsibility may include shutting off your computer, selling it and giving the proceeds to Al Gore’s carbon tax; if you really do think he is on to something. When Gore ran for office he wanted to institute a world tax to save the rain forest, now he wants the taxes to go to the UN to fight global warming. This guy is a real winner, if you believe in big government rhetoric.
I have to appreciate a question that I heard Dr Hugh Ross ask, do you thank God for the fossil fuels when you fill up your car with gas?
I'm glad that the religious and the non-religious can stand together on this important issue. I think it's really despicable that some people have actually managed to rationalize destroying our only home.
Well stated Prophet!
kc,
I'm not much of a political person. But I have taken a look at the facts. I do see that we are destroying our earth. If you want to justify your reason to continue trashing our earth, then feel free. I (as well as all Christians) was told by God that we are to be in charge of this earth. I don't think He intended for us to trash it the way that we have and are.
I don't believe we are exploring alternative, clean energy sources to their fullest extent. That, we can thank the oil cartel and investors for. And I don't believe we are faithful stewards in all that God has given us responsibility for. It's time to take responsibility for our own arrogance, lust, and selfishness.
If the Bible says that "God said", and someone doesn't believe it...then they don't believe God. Period.
Al Gore... he says he invented the internet. Now he is inventing global warming ad will get richer from carbon credits.
If we would keep our eyes on Jesus we would not fall for the latest scheme to manipulate the world. Clinton, Gore and Carter, why would anyone listen to them when we have the Bible? Does anyone think the Lord can't fix the worlds problems? but, Clinton, Gore and Carter can?
jammieholland said
"Hear me O America, There is no Global Warming, look at the so-called evidence, there is no Global Warming. WAKE UP BAPTIST! Its ok to be green, just not stupid. "
THANK YOU and Amen.!
tgender,
You said, “I think it is dangerous to interpret a passage where “God says” as not being what God actually said. This is what the Jesus Seminar did with Christ’s sayings in the Gospels.”
Let me first say that I altogether disagree with the Jesus Seminar. What they do is tantamount to applying scissors to the Bible, and that I think is wrong. Now I think that to “interpret a passage where “God says” as not being what God actually said” can be dangerous, but then I’ve found that all the different ways people interpret the Bible can be dangerous.
You ask, “Do you take verses you consider to be “mythical” as being true and having real meaning and application for us?”
Yes, very much so.
Amen, tgender.
If the Bible says that "God said", and someone doesn't believe it...then they don't believe God. Period.
didymus-
Thanks for your response. You said “I don’t think God literally said, ‘It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him’”. I think it is dangerous to interpret a passage where “God says” as not being what God actually said. This is what the Jesus Seminar did with Christ’s sayings in the Gospels. What was left was nothing like the Jesus we worship. Do you take verses you consider to be “mythical” as being true and having real meaning and application for us?
didymus,
How do you know that the Gospels aren't metaphorical?
Prophet,
You said, “I have a feeling that didymus also takes the Gospels as mythical too. He's afraid to face the truth, because it doesn't fit his agenda...it doesn't fit his small view of God. His god is impontent and fallible. He can't believe that God could be powerful enough to create a universe.” (as well as the rest of your post)
You’re wrong.
And, yes, Genesis 1 and 2 are literal.
tgender,
I have a feeling that didymus also takes the Gospels as mythical too. He's afraid to face the truth, because it doesn't fit his agenda...it doesn't fit his small view of God. His god is impontent and fallible. He can't believe that God could be powerful enough to create a universe. So, he tells us how his god did it. He now controls god. He has placed his wisdom above God's.
There is a difference between interpreting scriptures, and twisting them so far beyond common sense.
But I do like his MO. If you don't agree with something, just take it metaphorically. I think I'll do that with Galatians 5:19-21. Those scriptures aren't to be taken literal. Yeah, that frees me up to do and believe whatever I want. I like that idea.
The sad thing is, God's truth doesn't change...regardless of what we believe. And though it may make us feel warm and fuzzy on the inside, the day will come when we will answer to God for what we taught and how we lived.
"Instead of changing ourselves to conform to the image of Christ, we change the image of Christ to conform to us."
tgender,
Well, I mostly agree with you concerning your view on Genesis 2:18. But since I don’t view the story this verse is in as having literally happened I disagree with the part where you say, “This verse relates a sort of divine pause in God’s creation of mankind. He had created Adam, but not yet Eve”, and I wouldn’t say that God was literally “ordaining His first social institution” right here, since this is a story, and not literal history. But the rest of your view I’d agree with.
So, in other words, I don’t think God literally said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him”, I don’t think God literal brought all the animals to see Adam, I don’t think he literally took one of Adam’s ribs and literally made a woman out of it. But this story does relay what God thinks. Animals are not suitable partners for a man (nor a woman for that matter), a woman is a suitable partner for a man and divinely ordained to be so. (Of course I get more out of this story than what I’ve mentioned here, but since you asked how it relates to my view of theistic evolution.)
Incidentally, evolution would basically say the same thing concerning the whole suitability thing, only not quite so poetically. Animals are not suitable partners for mankind, a man and a woman are suitable partners, they were in a sense made for each other, otherwise they could not reproduce.
didymus-
The Bible should be interpreted like we interpret any other kind of literature. We should seek to understand what the author’s meaning and intent were. Ordinarily, we take statements in their plain literal sense unless the meaning would be absurd, in which case we seek to discover the symbolic meaning. When I say I have heartburn or watched the sun set, you understand me not to be literal, but symbolic.
Your response seemed to try to get me to believe that there is such a thing as symbolic or metaphorical literature, but I already agree with you on that. But how are we to interpret Gen 2:18 specifically? You didn’t give me any reasons to take this passage non-literally nor did you explain what the meaning is. Here is my explanation: This verse relates a sort of divine pause in God’s creation of mankind. He had created Adam, but not yet Eve. God is a social Being in His very nature of being triune. He created mankind for relationship, not only with Him, but also with each other. God is teaching us that it is good and right for a man to be with a woman and they will become one (Gen 2:24). God is ordaining His first social institution—marriage—based on the very pattern of His internal nature. Just as Jesus said that He and the Father were one, Gen 2:24 says that husband and wife will be one. So, God is saying literally that it is not good for man to be alone.
I'm still hung up on the notion that there are two kinds of Christians, conservative and liberal.
Hear me O America, There is no Global Warming, look at the so-called evidence, there is no Global Warming. WAKE UP BAPTIST! Its ok to be green, just not stupid.
You can watch the 1-minute Gore video here: http://americansfortruth.com/news/al-gore-embraces-homosexual-marriage.html
ifeelfine72: “If you take a look at the evidence and don't believe the facts of evolution, you are calling God a liar. Why would God set up some elaborate hoax on all of us? He wouldn't.”
This does kind of beg the question though doesn’t it? I’m mean presupposing natural selection is true, that modern science has figured it all out and all. I’m not so sure that the evidence is strong enough to test God with it. But I guess if that’s what you want to do…
“Evidence for structural difference/ descent does not constitute evidence for the mechanism by which structural transformation took place.” -David L. Wilcox
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/fte/darwinism/chapter13.html
Romans 1:16-32 (New King James Version)
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The Just Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”[b]
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Footnotes:
Romans 1:16 NU-Text omits of Christ.
Romans 1:17 Habakkuk 2:4
Romans 1:29 NU-Text omits sexual immorality.
Romans 1:31 NU-Text omits unforgiving.
John 14:6 (New King James Version)
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6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Acts 4:11-12 (New King James Version)
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11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’[a] 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Footnotes:
Acts 4:11 Psalm 118:22
1 Timothy 4:1
[ The Great Apostasy ] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Timothy 4:1-3 (in Context) 1 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
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Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
2 Timothy 4:2-4 (in Context) 2 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
2 Peter 2:1
[ Destructive Doctrines ] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:1-3 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 1:18
[ Christ the Power and Wisdom of God ] For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:17-19 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 1:21
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
1 Corinthians 1:20-22 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1 Corinthians 1:24-26 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 1 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 2 (Whole Chapter)
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”;
1 Corinthians 3:18-20 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 3 (Whole Chapter)
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didymus-
How would you explain Gen 2:18--The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him"? I don't see how you can square this verse from a theistic evolutionary perspective. Did only a man evolve and then God evolved a woman? Of course, that couldn't have happened because man couldn't reproduce without women.
John 14:6 (New King James Version)
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6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Acts 4:7-12 (New King James Version)
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7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, “By what power or by what name have you done this?”
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’[a] 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Footnotes:
Acts 4:11 Psalm 118:22
Acts 3:19 (New King James Version)
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19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
1 Timothy 4:1
[ The Great Apostasy ] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Timothy 4:1-3 (in Context) 1 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
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2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
2 Timothy 4:2-4 (in Context) 2 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
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Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
2 Peter 2:1
[ Destructive Doctrines ] But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:1-3 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
2 Peter 2:4
[ Doom of False Teachers ] For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
2 Peter 2:3-5 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
2 Peter 2:12
[ Depravity of False Teachers ] But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,
2 Peter 2:11-13 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
2 Peter 2:18
[ Deceptions of False Teachers ] For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
2 Peter 2:17-19 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter)
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It's obvious global warming is a fact. Just look at the disappearing glaciers in Greenland and disappearing ice near the north pole. It's not unreasonable to say almost 7 billion humans have a lot to do with it. In any case protecting the planet from pollution has to be a good thing.
I have noticed it's the scientists who are most interesting in protecting earth from pollution. The Christians have a long history of getting in the way. If Christians are now changing their ways and becoming environmentalists, that's good. Even if they think they're protecting their planet to please their mythical god, it's good they are joining the environmentalists instead of fighting them.
I noticed this thread got a bit off topic, which is fine with me. I was interested in something Prophet said.
Prophet: "To believe that man evolved from something is totally and 100% against scripture and a false doctrine."
I wouldn't call evolution a false doctrine, since all the evidence that has been growing for the past 150 years completely supports the idea all life evolved. However I agree with Prophet when he says evolution is 100% against scripture. I know many Christians translate Genesis to accommodate the idea the first humans developed from other animals, but I wonder how they do it. How do they make "God created man in his own image" not conflict with our development from ancient apes? I suggest the most honest thing to say about Genesis is it's a beautiful fairy tale, written by a person not inspired by God, but was inspired by his own wishful thinking. Genesis is a wild guess that has been proven to be completely wrong. The God hypothesis is not required to explain the diversity of life, and humans couldn't possibly be God's chosen species, since science has shown humans to be just one animal on a vast tree of life.
Even though we are just animals, our species does have the good luck to have enough intelligence to either save or destroy our only home. I suggest no matter what our differences are about the existence of gods, we should unite to save our planet instead of destroying it.
ifeelfine72: “If you take a look at the evidence and don't believe the facts of evolution, you are calling God a liar. Why would God set up some elaborate hoax on all of us? He wouldn't.”
This does kind of beg the question though doesn’t it? I’m mean presupposing natural selection is true, that modern science has figured it all out and all. I’m not so sure that the evidence is strong enough to test God with it. But I guess if that’s what you want to do…
“Evidence for structural difference/ descent does not constitute evidence for the mechanism by which structural transformation took place.” -David L. Wilcox
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/fte/darwinism/chapter13.html
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Scripture is the best answer for all.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (in Context) 2 Timothy 3 (Whole Chapter)
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I am sorry. Maybe "shying away from scripture" is too strong. I mean, he does have an opinion about the creation of the earth and man, attributes it to God, but yet gives no scriptural support for his opinion. Thus, that's all it is...an opinion.
I give my opinion on the creation of the earth and man by using scripture, and he says "I can see no intelligent conversation can be had with you," To me, that sounds like a person who doesn't want to hear the Word of God. I've encountered a Catholic who constantly tries to defend his religious system, without using the Word of God. To people like that, Christianity is nothing more than a religion.
And you are right. I did give my opinion earlier. We were discussing politics, and gave my opinion. But then again, we were only discussing politics...not God, Bible, theology, or scripture. There is a difference.
If I chose not to believe Genesis 2, then I would be calling God a liar.
I've taken a good look at the facts. And I choose not to call God a liar either. His Word says "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7, and so I choose to believe it.
Prophet - I'm surprised that you're dodging the question with a false statement. You share your opinion on this site all the time, you just did it earlier. You can share it now. Personally I believe that the creation story in the Bible is allegorical. Could man 2000+ years ago understand the working of evolution? Probably not.
If you take a look at the evidence and don't believe the facts of evolution, you are calling God a liar. Why would God set up some elaborate hoax on all of us? He wouldn't. And I'm not going to call God a liar!
BTW: If you've read Didymus' post before or read his blog you would find that he does not shy away from the Word of God! At least he is honest in his Christian faith. Didymus doesn't pick and choose which verses to follow literally but claim to follow them all literally.
People are more interested in promoting their humanistic views/opinions than what the Word of God actually says. And they claim to be Christians. Even though they're not. There is no such thing as a humanistic Christian. They may be religious, but they are not Christians.
Prophet,
I understand to.
I get that response a lot from people who shy away from the Word of God. I understand.
Prophet,
Rereading over your previous posts I can see no intelligent conversation can be had with you, so anyway…
My opinion is not important. What is, is the Word of God
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7
I’m not worrying; I’m just asking your opinion?
Didymus: “The reason why it’s important, and the divinity school student would be right, is that the environmental issue of global warming has a whole host of negative effects. Global warming will strain resources in dynamic ways that will stress societies into conflict. There will be more Sudans in the future because there are too many people living in areas that have too few resources.”
This assumes that global warming is:
1. An actual problem and not a natural cycle.
2. Caused by man.
3. That we can change it.
If scientists are split right down the middle on the issue, how can you be so sure?
Didy: “What do you think God means when he says that man is made in His image? Speaking just for myself, I don’t really know. I mean, when I look at myself, does God have hands, feet, a head? – No, he’s spirit. [I agree up to this point - SP] The randomness of evolution could have taken a different route than it did, maybe we would be dolphins today, would fins and a tail mean we wouldn’t be in the image of God?”
Your conclusion takes a lot for granted however. Nature is hard presses to discover the origin of life, the preprogrammed information, their functions, their God-given abilities, purposefulness and all of the variables that are presupposed in ‘natural evolution.’ Methodological naturalistic evolution completely makes God irrelevant as an unemployed deity, wanna-be. This is what separates naturalists from Christian theists. Michael Behe for example is a theistic-evolutionist whose agenda is to express how ‘natural evolution’ cannot account for the purposeful arrangements of the parts, that indeed a Designer is evident in this. If the Designer is evident, He is not irrelevant and evolution is not so random.
If you're not afraid of going to hell, then why worry about what I think?
Prophet,
You ask, “Why? You afraid of going to hell?”
Ahh, No.
Are you afraid to answer that question?
Or are you just wanting me to justify your misled opinion?
didymus,
Why? You afraid of going to hell?
Prophet,
>To believe that man evolved from something is totally and 100% against scripture and a false doctrine. And to attribute evolution to God is even worse.
So are you saying that belief in evolution condemns one to Hell?
didymus,
You said "I understand, but I hope you don’t mind if I disagree."
No, I don't mind. And I hope you don't mind that the creator of the universe disagrees with you.
The idea of "deified evolution" or "intelligent design evolution" or whatever you wish to call it, is just man's attempt to justify his opinion. We tell God how He did it, and then expect Him to back us on it. Its that same with our relationship with Him. They say they are going to do something, and just expect God to be there. They don't ask Him what He wants them to do. They tell Him what He wants them to do. Those people have made God in their image. Since when did they have the right to tell God what He wants or did? That's just sick! And the judgement that they face....well, I don't want to think about.
tgender,
You mention, “I think theistic evolution seriously damages the idea of man being God’s image bearers, which minimizes the significant gap that God created between man and the animals.”
I understand, but I hope you don’t mind if I disagree.
We were created in His image because we are the only creatures with a spirit. It's our spirit (which is who we truly are) that is in His image. We were created thus, in order to have a relationship with Him. If we came from a single-cell organism, what kind of relationship could God have with that? A cell cannont glorify God. It cannot talk to and fellowship with it's creator. It has no spirit, no free will to choose the course it's life will take.
And how does ID evolution fit in with the scripture that says that God created MAN and WOMAN in His image? It doesn't say that He created amoeba in His image. The Bible says that He CREATED, not that He evolved man into His image. The Bible says that He took the dust of the earth. Genesis 2:7 says "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." It doesn't say anything about evolution. It is cut and dried. There is no argument. He created Adam from dust and brought life where there was none. It was not a million year process.
To believe that man evolved from something is totally and 100% against scripture and a false doctrine. And to attribute evolution to God is even worse. God created man in an instant,or a matter of seconds. Either way, it is no where near the millions of years of evolution that you claim it is.
Agent: “It seems Seedplanter can at least recognize how lacking young earth and sin relationship is. It’s a metaphor Crc get a clue. Just b/c the bible says the universe is 6000 years old doesn’t make it true…”
The Bible does not say that the earth is 6,000 years old or 1,000,000 years old. I did not mean that Genesis 1 is a metaphor, but I would not presume to condemn the notion as a heresy. When I said “The argument that is used against old earth creationism is the problem of sin and death,” what I intended to mean was that their interpretation is wrong, not that the Bible is wrong. I think that Adam and Eve were literal people. If they are not, it doesn’t change the facts of sin and death. Also whether it is to be taken to mean spiritual or physical does not change the message. There is good evidence that has been accumulated by Hugh Ross that shows that mankind can be traced back to one man and one woman. Whether this me