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Apologists Ask Churches to Step Up Response to Militant Atheism

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Wed, Feb. 13 2008 03:35 PM ET
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As more atheist-centered books and movies make their way to mainstream culture, two best-selling Christian apologists are encouraging churches to better equip their congregation to respond to what they call a more outspoken and "confident" atheism.

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star2
  • Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:53 pm
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agentorange

You will never find what you are looking for in life until you find Jesus.
star2
  • Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:51 pm
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The Bible is not a science book. However, the science mentioned in it is accurate. The Bible got it right long before mankind ever did.
agentorange20
  • Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:46 pm
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Star,

"Statements Consistent With Astronomy"

No offense, but you need to learn to think a little more critically.

Star, the bibles mentioning of stars is nothing of importance, for all it tells us is something that is quite obviuos - that they indeed plentiful. Wow, big woop. we would know that regardless if the bible pointed it out, which means the bible pointing it out doesn't mean it's refering to hidden science secrets, rather it is refering to the obvoius....which is quite pathetic.

The bible doesn't describe the details on stars. It doesn't explain how they form, why they shine, what sort of processes do they undergo and what types of energy is emitted from them ,etc. The bible is absent in this regard, but was able to make the obvious distinction claim that indeed 'there are lots of them', which really is pointless. Saying there are lots of stars answers nothing, it returns nothing. It's like stating water is wet. It's not a science revelation,. If the bible had the processes of how stars worked, I'd be impressed as this would be geniune knowlede no one at that time could have possibly known and it would givem some cred to your bible, howerver it doesn't so it has no authority in the matter.
aritonang
  • Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:50 am
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From Indonesia,

Jakarta- 5 October 1965, the day of the dead generals funeral procession, a military propaganda campaign began to sweep the country. Both Indonesian and internationals saw that it was an atheist communist coup, and that the murders were cowardly atrocities against Indonesian heroes. PKI denials of involvement had little effect. The atheist communist party and its alleged front groups were banned. Indonesian army, acting on orders by Suharto began a campaign of agitation and incitement to violence among Indonesian civilians aimed not only at atheist communists but the ethnic Chinese community and toward President Sukarno himself. Leading PKI members were immediately arrested, some summarily executed.

The anti atheist communist purge quickly spread from Jakarta to the rest of the country, the worst massacres of known, suspected, and simply alleged atheist communists, were in Java and Bali where PKI support was at its strongest. The situation varied across the country, in some areas the army organized civilian groups and local militias, in other areas communal vigilante action preceded the army. For many youths, killing atheist communists became a religious duty. Muslims in Java and Sumatra but also Christians and Catholic students in the Yogyakarta region and Hindus in Bali took part in the massacres. Though most suspects were identified by locals, the CIA supplied the Indonesian military with lists of suspected atheist communists.

Between 300,000 and one million atheist communist were killed in the mass killings following the arrest of PKI members in Sukarno cabinet on October 6, 1965. Ironically, a CIA study of the events in Indonesia assessed that in terms of the numbers killed, the anti PKI massacres in Indonesia rank as one of the worst mass murders of the 20th century. Many others were also imprisoned and for the next ten years people were still being imprisoned as suspects. It is thought that as many as 1.5 million was imprisoned at one stage or another.

Indonesian today are still on the look out for more atheist communist to kill.
star2
  • Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:12 pm
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Here are some of the science facts in the Bible,

Taken from www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

Part 1:

Statements Consistent With Astronomy

The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.

Genesis 22:17

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies.

Jeremiah 33:22

“As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”

The Bible also says that each star is unique.

1 Corinthians 15:41

There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory.

All stars look alike to the naked eye. Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.

The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.

Job 26:7

He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.
star2
  • Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:11 pm
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Here are some of the science facts in the Bible,

Taken from www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

Part 2

Statements Consistent With Meteorology

The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.

Ecclesiastes 1:6

The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.


The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.


Job 28:25

To make the weight for the wind, And he weigheth the waters by measure.

The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.
star2
  • Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:10 pm
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Here are some of the science facts in the Bible,

Taken from www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

Part 3

Statements of Biological Health

It is a proven fact that a person’s mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health. The Bible revealed this to us with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.

Proverbs 12:4

An virtuous woman is a crown to her husband: but she that maketh ashamed is as rottenness in his bones.

Proverbs 14:30

A sound heart is life of the body: but envy the rottenness of the bones.

Proverbs 15:30

The light of the eyes rejoiceth the heart, and a good report maketh the bones fat.

Proverbs 16:24

Pleasant words are as an honeycomb, Sweet to the soul and health to the bones.

Proverbs 17:22

A merry heart doeth good, like medicine, But a broken spirit drieth the bones.
star2
  • Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:09 pm
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citsogna

Here are some of the science facts in the Bible,

Taken from www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

Part 4

Statements Consistent With Anthropology

We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves. The Bible also describes cave men.

Job 30:5,6

5 They were driven forth among men, (they cried after them as after a thief;)

6 To dwell in the cliffs of the valley, in caves of the earth, and in the rocks.

Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth.
star2
  • Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:08 pm
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Here are some of the science facts in the Bible:

Taken from www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

Part 5

Statements Consistent With Hydrology

The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.

Psalm 135:7

He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; He makes lightning for the rain;
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.

Jeremiah 10:13

When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, bringeth forth the wind out of His treasuries.

In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle—the worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.

Job 36:27-29

27 For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof:

28 Which the clouds drop and distil upon man abundantly.

29 Also can any understand the spreading of clouds, or the noise of his tabernacle?

This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.

The Bible describes the recirculation of water.

Ecclesiastes 1:7

All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.

Job 26:8

He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Prophet
  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:41 pm
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I just wonder what dark matter looks like, for it to cause what it does.
star2
  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:25 pm
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agentorange

Let's meet tomorrow sometime. Let me know when you think you can be here. If you for some reason can't meet tomorrow, then let me know when. I want to talk about cosmology, if that would be OK with you.
star2
  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:28 pm
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Prophet

agentorange knows what he is talking about in regard to dark matter and dark energy. Go to this NASA link and read about irt: http://hubblesite.org/
Prophet
  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:08 pm
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sorry orange. I thought that I had told you about what happened to my family. I've posted it on so many threads that I forget who's seen it.
My wife was chronic depressive/suicidal. She was on prozac which didn't help. God healed her instantaneously.
She was also told she'd never be able to have kids. We have two wonderful children.
My daughter was born with ASD (a hole between the chambers of her heart), doctors said the only option was open heart surgery. God healed her instead.
My son had ADHD, and doctors said he would be on meds his whole life, and would struggle to make it through school. He was held back in first grade because of it. God healed him, and has been off his meds for years now. He's in 8th grade and has been on the honor roll for almost the entire 2 years.
That's my evidence.
Prophet
  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:46 pm
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I did give you evidence. But you flatly rejected it. You have no interest in the truth.

The power of God is incorporated to explain why people are miraculously healed and delivered. There must be something there, its called indirect observation.
See how silly that sounds? Almost as silly as dark matter.
And yet, God still heals...whether you believe in Him. His existence doesn't rely on your belief (or lack thereof). He existed before you were born, and He will exist after you die.
agentorange20
  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:26 pm
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"LOL, now who's believing in fairytales. Instantaneous healing is not a placebo. No matter how you try to explain it away, you can't hide the truth."

Why don't you support it with actualy evidence, then we will see.

"Dark matter is merely science's attempt to explain a phenomena that they can't explain."

No, they incorporate dark matter to explain why galaxies are spinning at their speed and haven't flung apart yet, thus something must be there and this is called indirect observation, the same type of indirect observation that is used to identify atoms in particle physics. go read a book on dark matter and quit displaying your flat earther views.
ProfessorX
  • Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:32 am
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DARWINISM and ATHEISM: UNSCIENTIFIC & MYTHICAL

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com
star2
  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:22 pm
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agentorange

I will be back tomorrow.
Prophet
  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:30 pm
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Dark matter is merely science's attempt to explain a phenomena that they can't explain.
Prophet
  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:29 pm
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Orange,
LOL, now who's believing in fairytales. Instantaneous healing is not a placebo. No matter how you try to explain it away, you can't hide the truth.
agentorange20
  • Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:40 am
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"Yep. And it's that faith and logic that healed my wife, daughter, and son...when science was at a loss."

It appears you've never heard of the placebo affect either than hmmm? okay...
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