Okay, that post worked, now I shall try another. I think I was going to respond to your belief that it's okay to tell a child his/her "very nature" is unacceptable. The whole idea stems from the notion that same-sex attraction is a "vice" (like pedophilia, or perhaps kleptomania), and you cannot seem to find an analogy that doesn't involve a victim, so there is no valid analogy to justify maintaining the idea that acting on such attractions would be sinful.

Furthermore, many parents have indeed told their children exactly that, and there are quite a few who wish every day that they could take it back and mend their relationships both with their kids and with God rather than lose both.

Actually, it was not conveniently on the last try. The post you read below was actually the third try after I gave up trying to stay on the subject. It happened on other articles too. In fact, this post right here is my third try once again.

NoWire,

Your point is? It doesn't change what it was.

SheQuon,

Looks like it worked! And conveniently on the last time when you had forgotten what you were going to say and not going to bother writing any response, only to tell us that you really did have a response! Glad to see it worked though.

Update: As of March 5, the book has been returned to the shelves, and it turns out the "unnamed parent" (Sherrie Sawyer) didn't even have a child in the school where it all started. (She's a TA in the district.) Also, the superintendent was stripped of the authority to unilaterally remove books.

I tried to post another response several times since 3/2, and got an error message every time. Now I've completely forgotten what I was going to say. This will be my last attempt, and if it works at least you'll know I wasn't not posting because I had no reply.

shequon,
Legally, there is a difference between stealing and homosexuality. Just as there is a difference between adultery and murder. But before God, they are all still sin. I am not here to make homosexuality a crime. I am here to warn those who involve themselves in that practice that it is a sin that will separate them from God.
I would also agree that much of how a child or young adult acts is because of how the parent raises (or fails to raise) their child. Many parents aren't actively involved in their childrens lives. And because of that, their children will get their views of life and morals elsewhere. And it's usually not the best of places either. And sometimes the parents are involved, but their morals and ethics are so askew that it is passed on to their kids.
But, to reiterate what I said earlier, just because something is not illegal, doesn't mean it's not a sin. What God calls a warning, people without a conscience call judging.

Finally you seem to think that we cannot tell a person their "very nature" is unnacceptable. I am sorry but I disagree. If someone is a pedophile by their very nature, then I will have to tell them that they can either never act on their urges, or else change. (Please, for the love of all that is good, do not tell me I am equating pedophilia with homosexuality) However, I think you were a bit tricky in your usage of the term "very nature", this is a very broad term and could be applied to a lot of things, and I do not believe that people must have their lives determined by some unalterable nature. Rather, I believe that we all have a sinful nature and that through the grace of God we can overcome anything and conform ourselves to the image of Christ. Here is the bottom line, if the anti-gay crowd said, "Gays are evil, THEY SHOULD DIE" And they said so in the name of Christ, then I would say they were gravely mistaken. First of all, gays are not evil, what they do is wrong, secondly to say a person should die for such a behavior is against the message of Christ. However if an "anti-gay" person says, "Homosexuality is a sinful behavior, and is against the purpose God has" Then there is nothing wrong with it.

SheQuon,

I can't believe, that after all of that explaining, you now made the crazy jump to say I am equating homosexuality with stealing too! I said they are DIFFERENT, the word different means not the same, equating means that you are calling two things the same. For that matter, I did say they were both wrong, but not in the same way. I do not consider a rapist and a thief the same. If this concept makes sense to you, then there should be no problem.

Now, the criminal distinguishment between these concepts means nothing to me. Tomorrow, we could all say that rape is 100% A-OK and I would still say it is wrong.

Also, I did not say that kids could be rotten without their parents help, but now that you mention it sure they can be (though the vast majority of the time it is directly the parents fault).

You said,

"I reject your claim that the anti-gay "Christians" opposition to homosexuality has nothing to do with vicious acts like this. Kids hear and pick up on things quite easily. "

Unfortunately for your argument, I did not say that or even imply it. Sure, maybe if I say, "Homosexuality is bad" some kid will think "Bad equals 'I MUST KILL'" But it would be stupid to say that I am the cause of that. I could say, "Rape is bad" and then some kid might think, "I must kill all rapists!!!!" But what I said did not cause that. Saying something is wrong, does not mean we have to kill people. You might find this surprising, I know, I was taken aback whenever I found out that teenagers weren't killing thieves and drunk people, it is really amazing that they could separate the two, but against all odds they did it. (sorry if the sarcasm was a bit heavy, it just comes out when you have to repeat yourself endlessly)

If homosexuals could have their way, they would make it a crime to speak out against homosexuality. Just stating a fact.

"Gay rights activist would make it a crime to say homosexuality is a sin. Quit griping."

Not a crime--just a sin. Unless you want to harass people with speech outside funerals, then yes, your keister should be hauled to the klink..
I wasn't griping, I was stating a fact. (Sorry, I know facts are unpopular here.)

Gay rights activist would make it a crime to say homosexuality is a sin. Quit griping.
Stealing is a sin. Murder is a sin. Homosexuality is a sin. In God's eyes none is worse than another. Jesus died for ALL sins, and His blood can cover ALL sins. For God, it's as easy to forgive a murderer as it is to forgive a liar. I know that probably rubs you the wrong way. But that's why you're not God. If you were, we'd all be dead.
What is hard, though, is for mankind to forgive murder. That's where the problem lies. Mankind shows it's self-centeredness by witholding forgiveness. But, by witholding forgiveness, doesn't affect the perpetrator. But it will eat away at the one who refuses to forgive.

The point is, Chris, you keep using rape, and now stealing, in your analogies. These things are crimes. But that should not surprise me since anti-gay "Christians" would make homosexuality a crime if they could. (In fact they were quite upset when it was decriminalized by the supreme court in 2003.) Then you wonder why people say you have blood on your hands when a KID decides this gay classmate doesn't deserve to live. Now we know kids can be rotten with no help from adults, but something tells me he didn't pull this idea out of the clear blue sky.

I reject your claim that the anti-gay "Christians" opposition to homosexuality has nothing to do with vicious acts like this. Kids hear and pick up on things quite easily. You can say you'd be "loving" your kid by telling him his very nature is "unacceptable," but you'd be wrong. And you're leaving the possiblity wide open for some kid who's been hearing "unacceptable" all his life to act out on another kid exhibiting "unacceptable" behavior.

Shequon,

Great, I am supposing that you believe I was equating rape with homosexuality? Well, now everyone knows you don't know what you are talking about. Rape and homosexuality are not the same, just like rape and murder are not the same, just like rape and stealing are not the same, I never said they were the same, and you made the extreme leap to saying I did (or implied it), in a sarcastic way nonetheless. I do believe homosexuality is inherently wrong, but not the same way as rape, thank you for making me waste all of this space to explain the position that would be clear to anyone who was not consumed with an agenda...

On to the actual subject,
You then said:

"So in other words, it's perfectly okay to make it socially unacceptable, and then wash your hands of any influence on a kid takes who decides to blow an "unacceptable" kid's head off, because you "love the sinner"."

No in other words not that, if I told children that rape is wrong and it is a sin, and some stupid kid decided to go "blow the head off" of some rapist, then it is not my fault, it is because of some other problem that is deeply seated in that individual, which needs to be dealt with. I am consistent in my message that we are to oppose sin but love the sinner. You also seem to have a problem with this, I cannot fathom why, it seems incredibly cheap of you to say something like that. For instance, suppose there was a kid who decided to steal a candy bar, by your way of thinking I should tell that kid, "Look son, I hate you, I cannot just hate what you did, I hate you" or you would have me say, "Look son, I love you, and I love what you did, because I cannot dissassociate the two (because I am brain dead)" You completely eliminate the completely rational thing to do, which is tell the kid, "Look son, what you did was wrong and unnacceptable, I "hate" stealing, but I do not hate you, and I desire the right way for you" But for you, this is unnacceptable, we must hate people or love them and every thing about them.

In short, you did not address what I posted, and you tried to refute a straw man with something that just doesn't make sense anyways.

No Chris I read your post and understood it, about how "making a wrong behavior socially acceptable is not the correct answer" Then you go on to make a rape analogy while stressing you're not equating homosexuality with rape (right). So in other words, it's perfectly okay to make it socially unacceptable, and then wash your hands of any influence on a kid takes who decides to blow an "unacceptable" kid's head off, because you "love the sinner". You're right about the anger, but I'm not the blind one.

SheQuon,

I think you need to reread what I wrote, I didn't say what you quoted, and that is not related to it either. Are you possibly just blinded by your anger? Anyways, when you address what I actually said I can consider what you are saying, but right now, you are just fighting against a straw man that you built. It really has nothing to do with me. Go, reread my post again, make sure that it says "Chris333" at the top, and make sure that it is the post addressed to you.

Chris, I simply didn't see your comment or I would have addressed it. And now that I've read it I see it's the same old "Oh, we would NEVER encourage anyone to do harm, we're just saying this is wrong and anyone who disagrees, well, they're sinners." That kid had a hate inside that told him that boy didn't deserve to live. You may not pull the trigger, but your words help these people justify in their minds that a little vengeance is okay. Same with those funeral picketers...You denounce their actions, yet you use their same rhetoric (maybe minus the f-word). It's not that much of a leap, and it's been made many times.

Ifeelfine,

I read it, it does not apply to everyone. I cannot say, "In the name of Jesus I am going to kill all the people with the first name Jack," or, "In the name of Jesus, I am going to molest children," or, "In the name of Jesus, I can be gay and a Christian" You cannot just say, I am a Christian and that makes me immune, you have to 'be' a Christian.

Reread Matthew Chapter 7 verse 21

SheQuon,

Give me a break, I answered your post below, and you did not even comment on what I said. It just shows that you have no argument. I think you are having a lapse in logic...

Well, shequon,
We all know you were fishing for some sympathy for the gay rights agenda with your comment. I was just fishing for some sympathy for the Christian agenda. Unfortunately, neither of us will get what we want.
I feel bad for both the teenager killed and her killer. That is such a tragedy that teenagers are killing each other. Is there an article on her killing? I would like to read about what happened.

Wow--Prophet just takes a statement about a kid killing another kid and dismisses it with a "Hey, Christians die too." That says it all, man.

It is interesting that gay rights advocates, criticize removal of the book and reject claims that it is gay propoganda. The fact that they are criticizing speaks to nothing less than that of gay propoganda.