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Obama's Church Addresses Controversy

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Karen Hawkins
Associated Press Writer
Mon, Mar. 24 2008 07:34 AM ET
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The new pastor of Barack Obama's Chicago church said during Easter Sunday services that recent national scrutiny of the church is a test that will only make the congregation stronger.

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somodat
  • Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:14 am
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Quote:

"A sound bite cannot capture ... a whole sermon," Thomas said

And in so many word, so said Don Imus. But Imus went in front of the microphone to face his accusers. Where is Wright? Has anyone else been wondering if the agent of change in American politics has told Wright to keep his liberation theology quiet until after the election?
If he has truth to bestow, why all of a sudden is he incommunicado?
seedplanter
  • Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:14 pm
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Moss said Sunday that Wright's critics and the news media "are just lifting us up to give us the opportunity to speak love to this situation."

I hope so.

Meanwhile:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
coffee
  • Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:42 pm
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How on earth can Jesse Jackson call himself any kind of leader of the blacks and refuse to comment on Rev. Wright?
ronwilson4u
  • Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:24 pm
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The media is not reporting the heart of the problem with Reverend Wright being the pastor and spiritual leader of Senator Obama and his family. As followers of Jesus Christ empowered by the Holy Spirit, true Christians say and pray: "God Bless America," and many are now saying and praying "God Please Help US." However, the Holy Spirit of God would never lead a true follower of Jesus Christ to say or pray "God Damn American" in any context, much less as part of a public sermon. Holy Scriptures say to test the spirits (1 John 4:1).

Reverend W. obviously has a fiery spirit that is condemning at times, particuarly when he preached "God Damn America" and "Your Pigeons are Comming Home to Roost, and the like. It is not Christ-like. Sentor Obama apparently does not say or pray "God Damn America," but he has trusted and tollerated a fiery-spirited, condemning pastor most of his life who does. Although Reverend Wright is retiring, he will remain as Senior Pastor, and his replacement essentially agrees with him in spirit and truth. There is reason to not trust the spirit that was leading Reverend Wright to say such things, and so there is reason to question the spirit(s) leading Obama as a professed Christian and prospective president of this nation.

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Catgirl68
  • Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:00 pm
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Fox news recently asked Jesse Jackson to respond to Rev. Wright's racial sermons and he refused to comment. It is obvious to me that Black America thinks there is no such thing as race discrimination if it is against whites. I have been discriminated against in Savannah Georgia applying for a job BECAUSE I was a white woman. I know how discrimination feel because of MY skin color. And no black american can tell me that me being discriminated against is less than their experiences. Despite this, I have tons of friends all different skin shades. It is the character of the person, NOT the color of their skin. I will pray Jesse Jackson and Rev. Wright turn from their racist ways and embrace this. Unfortunately if they truly acted this way, they would be out of a job.
somodat
  • Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:26 am
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Jesus' Kingdom was not of this world, so it wasn't surprising that he did not try and build it by criticizing it like Pastor Wright does. Instead of pointing to Rome as the source of their problems, Jesus had the audacity to point to their hearts. This is tough love when given to a people who believed their victim status awarded them righteousness. On the other hand there was a more popular leader who was quick to condemn and attempt to liberate the Jews of Jesus' day of the oppressors. But Barabbas' kingdom was not a spiritual one. During Easter week we were given a similar choice between pastors who kingdom is focused on this world and those who believe the government is neither what we must be liberated from, nor our leaders are our saviors. So, how many times did Mr. Obama refuse to deny Rev. Wright?
GMG
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:44 pm
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ifeelgod,

There are many people that didn't agree with Robertson, Falwell, and Hagee when they made the kind of statements you refer to. It's not that we don't believe God executes judgements, but rather that it appears rather self righteous for the above mentioned to presume to know the mind of God. Take any state in the US and you have plenty of opportunity to see many things that deserve God's judgements, and indeed, the whole US of A has fallen away from Him. To point to one specific thing or another (such as Katrina) and proclaim sweeping judgement as from God is presumptious, to say the least.

The problem as I see it with the Pastor Wright issue is bound up in his support of Louis Farrakhan, his apparent incitement to his own brand of racism, and the fact that Obama has made himself a public figure and therefore has exposed himself to minute public scrutiny. Obama has been a political darling specifically because he is black and charismatic and intelligent, and has fired a lot of interest because of who he is, in total. Could that perhaps be another face of racism, in this case positive in his behalf?

I read your article from the site you listed, and I do have a question. Based on some of the things you listed, if you stand for the biblical precepts mentioned in your statement, how do you justify supporting the democratic platform as outlined currently?
wrhalver
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:26 pm
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ifeelgod
The controversy surrounding Pastor Wright is not racial.

No minister should use his/her puplit to preach the kind of hate as spoken by Pastor Wright.

And those who support such preaching need to evaluate what it is they really want to hear from the pupit.
ifeelgod
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:53 pm
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Are Black Preachers The Only Ones Who Must Shut-up about God's Responses To America's Problems?

I have a problem!


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As a Black Pastor, who historically has been a Ronald Reagan Republican and who voted for Barak Obama in the Texas primary, I have a problem!!

I admit it. I believe that God does execute retribution on nations and communities that turn their back from the tenets and the principles of his word. As much as I understood both Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell's opinions about 9/11, even though they are unpopular, I also understand those of Jeremiah Wright.

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1man
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:14 pm
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I remember in the story of the crucifixion that twice as many people were crucified for doing wrong than for doing right, this man is obviously the latter the only problem is the more attention and "persecution"( I use this loosely) that he recieves the more he enjoys it. I seems to me that he is just a glory-hog wanting the attention and special seating in the minds of people. It reminds me of David Koresh a little, a man that is intelligent enough to make others feel inferior to him, yet at the same time look to him for their spirituality. . . .difference is this mans (wright) ideas for salvation seem to be rooted in the flesh and unfortunately will reproduce themselves generation after generation unlike koresh'. . . . . . . . . koresh wanted to have everyone worship and serve him above others........when any race (hate having to use that word because so many nationalities are intertwined nowadays) seeks to be above another by belittling the one deemed inferior it stands to question the motives. Do they indeed want to be like the ones who have done wrong in the past?
TUPRBABE
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:02 pm
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Part Two
Jeremiah Wright was not "crucified" in any way, shape or form. He has been identified and judged in the media because of the poisonous fruit of racial hatred that he has spewed from the pulpit, apparently for decades. The pulpit is a place that should be the starting point of hope and salvation, not bigotry and hate. The comparison of Jeremiah Wright, a bigoted anti-Semitic racist, to the Lord Jesus Christ is blasphemy of the highest degree. Otis Moss III should be ashamed of himself for even thinking such a thing, much less preaching it. If Jeremiah Wright was indeed "crucified," it was for his own sin of hatred. "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." 1 John 3:15

God said he would bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel (Genesis 12:3). Allowing his church bulletin to be the sounding board of Hamas propaganda proves that Wright is of the very same ilk as Louis Farrakhan, the sworn enemy of God's people Israel. He was not "crucified" for his faith in Christ - which according to Jesus is characterized by love for others (John 13:35) - he is reaping the curse that he himself sowed by becoming the ally of evil men who are under the influence of Satan himself.

Jeremiah Wright praises Louis Farrakhan and parrots his hate-filled vitriol. Louis Farrakhan preaches the VERY MUCH MAINSTREAM Islamic tenet of anti-Semitism. (Muslims who do not harbor a hatred of Israel are actually the "fringe group," since the Qur'an specifically calls for the degradation and/or murder of Jews. Don't be deceived by the media's incorrect portrayal of Islam as a "religion of peace" - it is not.)

I have said it before in this forum, and I will say it again. Islam is the religion of the Beast. Its heroes/leaders consist of a Murderer-Pedophile (Mohammed), the Antichrist (Imam al-Mahdi) and the False Prophet (Issa).

This is not hate speech. It is fact that can be easily looked up online, simply by going to Muslim sites that publish the Qur'an, Hadiths and Sura. The words of their own "holy" books condemn their religion - no propaganda is even necessary.

Jeremiah Wright has led his church into the lap of Islam by the willful promotion and publication of terrorist manifestos and by praising evil men like Farrakhan and Cone (the author who stated that black people need to "kill" any God who does not support them over whites). All that is left for them to do is complete public conversion to Islam.
TUPRBABE
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:01 pm
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Part One

Glenn Beck brought up a good point about this church.

Before they took the page down, Trinity CoC proudly proclaimed that they were "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Now, that sounds nice, but what if a church wrote that they were "Unashamedly WHITE and Unapologetically Christian?" Could you imagine the uproar from the NAACP and other groups, likening that church to the KKK or the Aryan Nation? What's good for the goose is NOT good for the gander, apparently, when it comes to bigotry ... there is definitely racism in America, but it's not the same racism as 40 or so years ago. It's reverse discrimination now. Whites are immediately wrong, and blacks are immediately right, regardless of their actions or beliefs.

Any and all types of racism are wrong. We are all equal in God's sight. If you're a Christian, refer to Galatians 3:28. If you are not a believer, refer to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
lipoftruth
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:15 pm
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"Any time you go through a crucifixion experience ... eventually they have to lift you up"

Wright said, "Christ was a black man"

These statements and others like them seem to trivialize Christ by making Him into what they want Him to be.

So now this Church is further reducing the Easter message and risen Christ by equating it's recent difficulity to the Cross? WOW these folks are lost.

How about less about color and holding on to the hate and more, much more on the teachings of Jesus.
tarzan
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:59 pm
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obama theme is 'change' ... but obama's follow up news conference speech wasnt about 'change' but was the same politcal game; first apologizing, than turning the blame on everyone else but himself... democrats saw right thru his speech and america saw the results when the latest polls showed that majority democrat support switched from obama to hilary in latest zogby and other liberal siding polls..
pburwell
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:49 am
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Mr. Wright was very wrong. And Barak should have soundly distanced himself from Wright's racism. But the problem is CNN CAUGHT Obama on tape NODDING to his racist comments!
No, Obama may just get a shock if the American people demonstrate their rejection of him that racism is not accepted by anyone.
"Black" Church? The very NAME is racist.
Dr. King advocated dropping the very identification of "black" or "colored" and called for all Americans to name themselves only AS Americans and not by any race.
Unfortunately, the unreasoned hatred of Christianity will likely be the reason so many ignore Obama's clear support of racism.

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JC
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:25 am
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The article said: ""A sound bite cannot capture ... a whole sermon," Thomas said."

And a little leaven will spoil the whole loaf.

The article said: ""Any time you go through a crucifixion experience ... eventually they have to lift you up," said the Rev. Otis Moss III, who did not shy away from the controversy surrounding his predecessor at Trinity United Church of Christ, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr."

Jesus was crucified for preaching love. What was this church's crime that it warranted crucifiction? It certainly wasn't for the same offense.
twinzmom2
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:11 am
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What I have heard sounds like hate and the pulpit is not the place for that. Martin Luther King always had love in his messages. He talked about white children adn black children playing together one day- so opposite of what this preacher sounds like. If I were white I would be scared to walk in that church-isn't there something wrong with that? Everyone should feel welcome at church - if it's God's house. There should be love for everyone..isn't that one of the greatest commandments? "To love your neighbor as yourself..." Mark 12:31 Color is not mentioned in that passage - actually I don't rememer color being mentioned at all in the bible. The church should be about bringing people to Christ and loving one another no matter what. Sounds like this preacher is doing the opposite of that- he's turning folks away from the church. He needs repentence. He needs prayer.
ronwilson4u
  • Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:40 am
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Holy Scriptures say to "test the spirits." As a follower of Jesus Christ empowered by the Holy Spirit, I have said and prayed "God Bless America" in the past. Now I say and pray "God Please Help US," but never "God Damn US." Reverend Wright obviously has a fiery spirit at times, particuarly when he preaches "God Damn America" and the like. Its just not Christ-like.
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