Leading Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama promised to 'usher' the passage of a non-discriminatory employment bill benefiting homosexuals if he was elected president, he said in a recent interview with a well-known gay magazine.
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star2 - keep your religeon out of my government as the U.S. constitution indicates. Otherwise, I will continue to fight for my equality and fair treatment in ALL respects. That includes my right to be open and truthful about who I am in public.
outsail
Keep your homosexuality in your bedroom and out of the public square.
My god made me Gay. I praise him every day. Stay out of my bedroom and leave me alone. America is tired of your hate.
look let them be who they want to be
Hey 1
Homos are not wantin to change cus theys loves their sin more than God. God can change the homo if the homo will lets Him.
Hey scitsonga
Yous got bad logic. God mades everythin but He made boy to like girl and girl to like boy in romance kind of way. If it isn't that a way its cus of satan.
Hey 1
No theys don't. Them scientists haves no idea of what truth is. God puts into yours DNA what your sex orientation is a goin to be. If yous got XY then yous a boy with alls the attritbutes of a boy. If yous got XX then yous a girl with alls the attributes of a girl. Boy likes girl in a romance kind of way. Girl likes boy in a romance kind of way. Thats how God mades it. Satan is the one who is a trying to makes you think different. Yous may not be a thinkin so, but God will win. You'll see on judgement day. No homo will go to heaven. Thats in the Bible.
hey pattiepie,
people have done studies that show a connection between genes and homosexuality. lesbians are far more likely to have a lesbian/bisexual sister than non-lesbians. people cants chooses theirs sexual orientations .
If a God made the universe and life, then God would also have also made gays because the ones I know were born that way.- Simple logic.
goodnight
Mees ameenin sin(90-x) cus wes was talkin about sin
what about cosine?
why would God write something like that?
wouldn't He want to encourage love between his people?
the only thing wrong with homosexuality is that it makes heterosexuals feel uncomortable
it is probably easer for heterosexuals to overcome their fear of homosexuality than for homosexuals to overcome their homosexuality. it it were so easy for homos' to be converted, why don't they all convert?
God did create all men
Men however are all predisposed towards sin.
Nothing in scripture adjures us to coddle, support or wink at sin.
On the contrary, we are admonished to deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow Christ and to exhort our fellow brethren to godliness.
2Ti 4:2-4 "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
For all those who say it is un-christian, I have this to say " LGBT's in this country are also christians!!!!" They are our breatheren. Just like in a family, we accomodate divergent viewpoints on the dinner table, we should show compassion & understanding to their needs. If we beleive GOD is responsible for creating all human beings, then we need to understand it is the same GOD who has created people with tendencies towards homosexuality. I am not a big fan of Obama, but we need to support any legislation that is good for our country. God Bless America!!!!
1
Because God says it is. God created everything and He decided what the laws would be to control what He created. Mankind has no say so in the matter.
Lev 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they sahll surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
God created sex. God decided how it was to be engaged in. God created sex to be engaged in between a man and a woman in a marriage relationship. To engage in sex in any other way is a sin. If you don't like it, then take it up with God.
why is homosexuality a sin?
ifeelfine
I flagged ONE of your posts a while back, told you I did and why I did as soon as I did it, and I considered it very offensive or I would never have flagged it (obviously, since I so rarelty flag). Be that as it may, I do understand getting testy from time to time, and appreciate your acknowledgement.
GMG: You told me you flagged my post - it might have been a little abrasive but certainly wasn't offensive or untrue . . . and I'll admit, I was a little angry when I read Star's post. She makes wild accusations and doesn't back them up. I said I don't flag very often (maybe three or four times total) - sorry for the shrapnel.
ifeelfine72
If you would have read more carefully then you would have noticed that I accused you of flagging my post Saturday night along with flagging yours. The way I know is how CP removes flagged posts. If you flag yourself, it is removed fairly quickly. If someone else flags you, it remains for quite awhile. Such is what happened Saturday night. I flagged myself twice. You were flagged once and someone flagged my post that was given in response to something you said, namely, that gays wanted acceptance. Your post as well as my two posts that I personally flagged were removed together. However, the post that I wrote that was flagged by someone else wasn't removed by CP until much later. I just asumed that you were the one who did it since it wasn't too long after you flagged yourself mine was flagged. If I am wrong then please accept my apologies.
The ones on Sunday night I said that maybe you did but I also said that maybe it was dongard. But if it was you then you did wrong. Whoever flagged it was wrong. I got flagged again today. I suspect it is dongard. But whoever it is that person can't handle the truth about how hetrosexuals view the sexual behavior of gays. so be it. The person can flag me all he wants. He can't remove from his mind what I said.
Quecat,
I busted out laughing when you said lets all go back to Woodstock. That is hilarious as I haven't thought about Woodstock in a few years now. Good points. 5 thumbs up.
ifeelfine,
Excuse me, but would you like to define for me my standards for flagging posts? I would really appreciate your insight.
Oh, don't want to commit yourself here? Then let me do it for you.
In the approximately 6 months or so that I have been active on this site, I do not even need one hand to count the number of posts I have flagged. Can you say the same? If you can, fine. But don't presume to know my actions without even asking me.
Star: First you say "I know you flagged my post" and then later in the same post you ask if I did - make up your mind. For the record, I haven't flagged any of your posts. I've given both of you lots of "Thumb's down's" before but never deleted your posts. If I used GMG's standard for flagging posts I probably would have lots of times - including the one I am responding to right now. I've only flagged a few times and they were obvious examples of spam.
dongard said "if there truely is a god we must strive to share our existence with our fellow creatures."
OH? and how did you come to that conclusion? Did your 'maybe god" reveal that to you as being his will?
I am surrounded daily by fellow existing creatures. That wasn't very hard, now was it?
oh - sorry - actually what you meant to espouse was some sort of man made paradise that is expected to come about through all encompassing tolerance and "love". Let's all go back to Woodstock!
Actually God has revealed his will. That is that we spread the gospel to every nation, tribe and tongue and to make disciples of men.
God's expressed will does not include coddling sinners and encouraging them to "be true to themselves" or to embrace some other similar feel-good garbage philosophy.
God's expressed will is - Repent!
dongard,
No need to be sad for me, it is I that is sad for you. Here is why.
There is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is the way of death. Proverbs 16:25
But there is a way out of this.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5,6
ifeelfine72
I know that you flagged your post last night and mine that was an answer to your post. You were in the wrong to flag my post. There wasn't anything I said that called for it being flagged.
Did you flag GMG and my post tonight? Or was someone else like perhaps dongard.
If it was you, ifeelfine72, again you did wrong. There is nothing wrong with what GMG said. Contrary to what you want to believe, homosexuals can come out of that sin sick bondage.
Whether any homosexual wants to admit it or not, their sexual behavior is repulsive and disgusting to many hetrosexuals.
God created the male and the female to be sexually attracted to each other. It is written in their DNA. To be attracted to the same sex goes against nature.
Why would someone flag my post? I will repost it.
Brunella,
Thank you for that excellent link. For those of you who might not know, Joe Dallas is an ex-homosexual who was active in pro-gay theology. He has written a number of books and is active in a ministry of sexual addiction recovery and homosexuality. His web site is joedallas.com.
Brunella
Thank you for that excellent link. For those of you who don't know, Joe Dallas is an ex-homosexual who lived a life as a Christian homosexual active in pro-gay theology. He has written several books and has a ministry in the area of sexual addiction recovery. His website is joedallas.com
terryh
how sad i am for you, blinded those who hate. crimes are real but sin is a construct designed to control. faith is real but organized religion is a tool of powerful to intimidate and your story was an excellent example of this.
life is precious and you are living it as you have been instructed. see it as it exists outside of the hubris of the rich and powerful whatever their own station. open your eyes and see the rich diversity that surrounds us. if there truely is a god we must strive to share our existence with our fellow creatures.
There is no bigotry in not condoning sinful behavior. It is just like you would probably say to someone that was complaining about violence in a movie. If you do not want to see it don't watch it. If these people in this town did not want to see a homosexual then don't go there. As far as your jews in germany this is irrelevant to the story as there is no sin in the jews being in germany. Homosexuality is sin and immoral. Remember regardless of the cause my friend lost his business due to the homosexuals lifestyle. Are the people of a community bigots because they refuse to by hardware from a hardware store owner that is a known drug dealer? You might answer drug dealing is against the law. So is homosexuality in the eyes of God.
kc - http://www.narth.com/docs/dallas.html
terryH
i made no assumption about anyone's race or ethnic origin. your story could have been set anywhere from Japan to South America. I was pointing out that bigotry is an unfortunately enduring feature in our species with just a couple of obvious examples from our own recent history.
you still, however, do not face the real issue and the real evil here. your friend did the right thing and hired the homosexual. the people of the town were nasty, their is no other way to put it. they in effect told your friend, do as we say, no matter what you have done before. we don't like that "boy" you got. get rid of him or we will destroy you too. you make no reference to any misbehavior on his part. this is godly and good behavior?
what if he had been a seven day adventist (that's certainly can be changed)? should a man be fired simply to appease the bigoted hate of the community. would your friend have been right to fire a jew in a small town in 1930's germany?
dongard wrote:
moreover there is no evidence that the christianists favorite example Sodom or Gormorrah ever existed. much less were destroyed. am i wrong?
can anyone verify the actual remains from a creditable neutral source?
Yes you are wrong. Here is your source.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQHQ992Wnw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dkoSJt6xfY&feature=related
dongard,
Isee what you mean in narrow mindedness. Your assumption is that my friend is white which is narrowmindedness. Actually he is African American. The majority of the folks in that town are white and the homosexual man was white. The moral of the story is not about nationality or race, but immorality. We cannot change our race or nationality, but one can change their lifestyle.
terryH
the real moral in your story is that the people in that town were narrow minded bigots. replace the word homosexual with negro or irish and the tale would ring just as true.
the difference is now our government is willing to step in and draw a line. your solution is that the homosexual (who is not immoral) should have sacrificed his life to please those who wanted to display their hatred and bigotry. would that please jesus?
True story,
A friend of mine owned a thriving restaurant business in this small town of about 4,000 residents. He had local employees and according to them he was not stingy in taking care of them. He divided some of the monthly profits and included them in their last of the month paycheck as a means of profit sharing. He had six employees, five of which had been with him since the beginning of his business 15 years ago. A homosexual man applied for a position in response to a sign posted in the window that the restaurant was hiring. My friend is hard-core heterosexual but has a motto "what you do on your own time is your business as long as it doesn't affect my business." Because my friend new the discrimination laws of hiring, and as an equal opportunity employer as well, outside of this mans preference of his sexual lifestyle my friend could not find a reason not to hire him. Other applicants applied but did not meet the qualifications for the position of a lead cook. My friend hired this man out of the laws on the books and the man did a good job. The more the community found out that a homosexual man was cooking their food the less business my friend did as the patrons went somewhere else. My friends business dropped like a 50-pound rock dropped from a 10-story building. My friend told this man that he was going to have to let him go because his lifestyle was affecting the business. This man sued my friend and won due to discrimination. Now my friend along with all of his faithful employees that stuck with him and helped the business to flourish lost everything because of some jerk wanting and pushing his immoral lifestyle. Beware business owners of the underlying motive of discrimination before hiring homosexuals.
Are you kidding me, there are many different laws already on the books that protect everyone against everything, this is nothing more then a loser trying to pander to a special interest group for their votes, ENDA needs to die and stay gone. There is already many different workplace non discrimination laws on the books, end the special treatment and enforce the laws already there...
kc:
Wow. That is a liberally revised translation you've got there.
For those who think Jesus did not address certain old testament laws:
Matthew 5:17-20 (The Message)
Completing God's Law
17-18"Don't suppose for a minute that I have come to demolish the Scriptures— either God's Law or the Prophets. I'm not here to demolish but to complete. I am going to put it all together, pull it all together in a vast panorama. God's Law is more real and lasting than the stars in the sky and the ground at your feet. Long after stars burn out and earth wears out, God's Law will be alive and working.
19-20"Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself. But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom. Unless you do far better than the Pharisees in the matters of right living, you won't know the first thing about entering the kingdom.
Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals. Homosexuals can marry a person of the opposite sex just like heterosexuals, but they choose not to do so.
Homosexuals are pleading for "special" rights, rights that heterosexuals don't have already. Heterosexuals can't marry whoever or whatever, but just like homosexuals, heterosexuals, if they choose, can marry anybody of the opposite sex.
Bravo obama! People are more concerned with the sexual aspects of homosexuality, judging from the comments below, and not the basic love two adults share for each other, and the much better world we would have when all people have the same rights and benefits as others. long way to go.
moreover there is no evidence that the christianists favorite example Sodom or Gormorrah ever existed. much less were destroyed. am i wrong?
can anyone verify the actual remains from a creditable neutral source?
star 2
name one society that has collapsed because of homosexuality. and provide one peer reviewed source to backup your claim.
I believe it was feelfine2 who posted that homosexuals are probably just as disgusted with heterosexual sex. Well let me educate you ! That is exactly how we all got here including homosexuals. If it weren't for man and woman no one would be here, not man and man.
ifeelfine72
Re:But if you find it all that repulsive, then don't do it.
I don't do it. I am not gay.
I am hetrosexual. I am not sexually immoral.
(I flagged myself)
God loves all people, including gays, and He hates all sin, including homosexuality. If I owned a business, I'd like to be free to hire who I want and then fire them if their lifestyle interferred with my own philosophy about how to my business should operate. If Obama had his way, I believe Government would have its nose in all my business, including my preference to not be associated with homosexuals. I'd rather have the right to choose who works for me than for the government to have the right to take away my freedom of choice.
Hope Page: http://itsallaboutjesusnotme.blogspot.com
The anus is not anatomically designed to be penetrated by a male penis; the overlapping (ship lapped) folds inside are designed to facilitate excretion (out going) of feces, not incoming objects. This is why homosexuals will oftentimes bleed, which leads to other major problems. Sodomy is almost unheard of in the animal kingdom, which demonstrates nature in yet another form.
ifeelfine72
You cannot deny the fact that sin abounded in their society and they embraced homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. There is, of course, no one single reason for a fall of a nation but you cannot leave out that abominable sin, of which homosexuality is one of them, abounded in their society.
God judged Sodom and Gomorrah not only for their abomionable sexual behavior but also for their pride, haughtiness, laziness, given over to the pleasures of their flesh, and their lack of concern for the poor and needy.
God will judge a nation for their abominations. He won't destroy them like He did Sodom and Gomorrah but He will bring them to nothing.
You cannot thumb your nose in the moral face of God and not expect to suffer the consequences. That goes for an individual or for a nation.
TW: If gay people were accepted for who they are (not what they are or their sexual orientation) there would be no gay pride parade. Tell me, in the 50's would you have used civil rights rallies as a justification for Jim Crow? I bet not. The only organization being done is because of folks who are interested in making gay and keeping gay people second class citizens.
Star: The downfall of nations hasn't been because of their acceptance of sin. It's primarily been because of apathetic populaces who "take their eye off the ball," (in other words, allow leaders to get away with more than they should, imperialistic leaders who felt the need to get in other countrys' business and beccause of unsustainable economic systems.
Isn't The Spirit of christ that Apostle Paul had? I couldn't understand why people say Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality .Read the bk of romans ch1:24-28 .I saw a few books written to discredit apostle Paul by the so called "scholars" in order to promote their hidden agenda like homosexualite and others.
ifeelfine72: I did not say that Jesus says "God hates f*gs", go back and read what I said. That God finds homosexual union an abomination. This is the problem, you have a whole group of people defining themselves by their sexual desires (go to a "gay pride" event and it is almost all sexual activity) - this means they worship themselves over God.
My view of Christ is the Biblical view, which is that He is part of the triune God, that He was there in the beginning not with God but as God and when the Law was laid down He was there as lawgiver.
His ministry as He came in human form was to fulfill the law - to take our place in receiving the justice of God for disobedience to God - but He did not remove the Law nor reject the Law, but rather confirmed it.
Just as, as Jesus, He did not say "it is a sin to lie", He did confirm it because He said it before He had assumed human role.
Lev 18:22 - "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination."
Lev 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commiteed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.:
Ezekiel 16:49-50 -
49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idelness was in herand in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminnate, nor abuser of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Jude 7 - "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
God's Word is quite clear that gay sex is an abomination to God and all those who practice it will perish. No where in scripture will you find God saying otherwise. Those who think otherwise have not rightly divided the Word of Truth.
God will bring to nought any nation who embraces homosexuality.
ifeelfine72
You were a history major, right? Isn't it true that every great nation came to nothing after they allowed sin to become rampant in their society and after they embraced homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle?
Do you want that for our nation? What God did to the nations of the past He will do to our nation as well.
The magazine the Christian Post makes reference to is "The Advocate." It is a radical, far-LEFT magazine which has as its goal the full homosexualization of this nation.
People of faith, HAVE YOU GOT IT YET?!? This candidate is NOT a friend of people of faith. He is the ultimate sheep in wolf's clothing, and the most remarkable thing about it, he's open about his being a wolf!!!
THIS MAN NEEDS TO BE D - E - F - E - A - T - E - D!!!! SOUNDLY AND FIRMLY!!!! This is not about homosexual rights. It is about the dismantling of traditional faith and families of faith to "accept" a foreign doctrine of complete social acceptance of perversity!!! Abomination!!!
REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!!!
The magazine the Christian Post makes reference to is "The Advocate." It is a radical, far-LEFT magazine which has as its goal the full homosexualization of this nation.
People of faith, HAVE YOU GOT IT YET?!? This candidate is NOT a friend of people of faith. He is the ultimate sheep in wolf's clothing, and the most remarkable thing about it, he's open about his being a wolf!!!
THIS MAN NEEDS TO BE D - E - F - E - A - T - E - D!!!! SOUNDLY AND FIRMLY!!!! This is not about homosexual rights. It is about the dismantling of traditional faith and families of faith to "accept" a foreign doctrine of complete social acceptance of perversity!!! Abomination!!!
REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!!!
pcgfriend: Omission doesn't mean disapproval either.
1man: when you call homosexuality a "lifestyle" your disdain is self-evident.
Even though Jesus said nothing directly about homosexuality Jesus does affirm heterosexual marriage. It is one and the same. Omission in one instance does not mean approval, especially when it come to the totality of the word. Born again Christians use the Epistles to live by as well as the life of Christ. It is pretty clear that ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY outside of a heterosexual marriage is wrong. The argument that the homosexual theology uses about Jesus saying nothing about it is very weak when you take the context of the entire Bible. He paid the penalty for all sin. Sin was defined in the law. The law is clear that homosexuality is wrong.
The problem with these types of laws is that they will make just saying that homosexuality is wrong and equate it with hating those in homosexuality and lesbianism. If this law passes the church best get ready for persecution from our government and the fke churches out there. Those churches that do not believe in the fullness of the spirit better start because we will probably need some serious supernatural protection if we are to survive the attacks of satan.
Those that are bound in that sin have my sincere heartfelt prayers. All of us that are in sin need His loving help to walk free, not laws to keep people bound and persecute those that preach the word.
1man: Official group? What the heck are you talking about....
you don't know that they have a chamber of commerce?
I don't have a disdain for gay people, I have a disdain for the fact that little children in school are told that homosexuality is o.k. and it is an "alternative lifestyle"....
I have a disdain for the fact that some people can't get health care insurance to pay off on some things on their policy yet some are getting sex-changes on their health insurance.
I have a disdain for the fact that anyone that seems to disagree with homosexual groups is considered a bigot.
TW Peck: Profess the Jesus who said "God hates f*gs?" I haven't read about that Jesus in the Bible - as far as I know, Jesus didn't say a word about gay people, unless of course you have a different Bible from the rest of us.
msnchris: Funny, I was going to say fundie Christianity is the worst scourge.
1man: Official group? What the heck are you talking about.
Seriously, you folks have a real problem - your disdain for gay people (not homosexuality but gay people) is very evident. Its disgusting and unChristian.
If this were to pass the ACLU would have reached their nirvana.....the Christian church would now no longer be protected by simply following rules......I've said it before and I'll say it again the LGBT agenda is militant always has been even before they were an official group.
Look in the book of genesis when Lot simply told the men of his city who were gathered at his door not to do such a thing, they responded by telling him he was noone to be a judge over them...they do not just like us disagreeing with them they want us to "approve" their lifestyle.
They will not stop until they either :get Christians to accept their way of life and verbally approve it as well as endorse it to the stature equal with marraige or cause all those Christian establishments to be dissolved under the banner of "hate crime"
Hey! One of you says that McCain is pro-traditional marriage. The other says that he doesn't back the Marriage Protection Amend.
McCain is an improvement over Obama on the traditional marriage issue, but McCain is still against the Marriage Protection Amendment.
My thought is this. What happened to the Church by allowing the enemy to capture all those whom he has who are bound. We need to "own up".
There are 2 kinds of church listed in revelations. True and false. Check it out.
In the meantime, Mr. Obama as well as all the candidates need out prayers.
What a heretic! Liberal Christianity is the worst plague. This bill makes homosexuality superior to heterosexuals. REad it carefully.
How can any God fearing Christian vote for a Democrat in a federal election?
McCain 2008! He isn't much better, but at least he is pro-traditional marriage and anti-abortion.