Schwarzenegger: No to Marriage Amendment

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• TerryH

  Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:26 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

  Free to Think,
  Very well said. Thanks.

• FreeToThink

  Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:18 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

  TerryH,
  
  If you read what I wrote again you'll see that I didn't suggest that the passage had nothing to do with marriage. In fact, I said that (paraphrasing) it is largely a directive to husbands and wives. I was only asking you to provide some explanation of how that section is relevant to discussion of the news story.
  
  I find it difficult to imagine that interpretations without relevant support are not being adversely affected by the biases of the one doing the interpreting. I find this passage instructional in my own life - particularly verse 6 as it relates to the temptation to interpret passages in whatever manner I see fit.
  
  1 Corinthians 4:4-6 (New International Version)
  4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
  5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
  6 Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.
  
  Also, along those same lines:
  
  James 4:11-12 (New International Version)
  
  11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
  12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

• TerryH

  Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:50 am : 0 : 0 Flag

  Free to Think,
  As you request,
  Definition: Reprove
  Reprove
  Verb
  1. Take to task; "He admonished the child for his bad behavior".
  As a synonym: Synonyms within Context: Reprehend, chide, admonish; berate, betongue; bring to account, call to account, call over the coals, rake over the coals, call to order; take to task, reprove, lecture, bring to book; read a lesson, read a lecture to; rebuke, correct
  http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/reprove
  
  Synonym: Two words that can be interchanged in a context are said to be synonymous relative to that context.
  
  When used in the context of information: Word or group of words having a different form but exactly or nearly the same meaning as another word or group of words.
  http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/Synonym
  
  I do not see how you can conclude that the scripture passages I posted have anything to do with or mention marriage. It has to do with sin and having fellowship with those who practice sin. If you read the scriptures before and after the ones I posted you may find different areas the scriptures I posted deal with.
  
  Ephesians 5:10-12 (King James Version)
  10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
  11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
  12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
  
  When you read these verses as my response to the persons post I was addressing you will see that they are relevant to the post. Please read in full the issue before correcting or attempting to correct someone and then apply your scriptures as you see fit. However, take your own advice and be sure the scriptures you use are directly related to the issue and not an assumption on your part.
  
  Galatians 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

• FreeToThink

  Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:04 pm : 0 : 2 Flag

  TerryH,let me provide a bit of friendly "reproof" to your post:
  
  First, here is the actual definition of the term
  reprove:
  transitive verb
  1: to scold or correct usually gently or with kindly intent
  2: to express disapproval of
  (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reprove)
  
  When posting quotes from other sources (even definitions), please provide a link or reference so that we can see where you're getting your information from. Lacking your source, it appears to me that you are not providing the actual definition of the word but synonyms instead. I'll spare you the english lesson and just say that synonyms are similiar words but don't neccessarily have the "same" meaning.
  
  Second, if you are going to post scripture to support your opinion and the verses you post are not directly relevant and/or open to interpretation, please provide us with the logical reaoning and assumtions you are making so that we can understand you point better. The passages that you excerpted are largely concerned with the directive of husbands loving their wives (and vice versa) and how to go about that. The specific verse that you started with (Ephesians 5:10) is not even related to the following two as it is a continuation of verses Ephesians 5:8-9:
  
  8: For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
  9: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
  10: Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
  
  If we assume (which is not obvious) that the verses you posted are relevant, and you are helpfully providing a (correct) definition of the action we should take when the bible tells us to "reprove" the unfruitful works of darkness, the literal interpretation of that passage would have us gently or kindly correct the people who are the subject of this article. There is nothing in there about passing laws that deny them equal rights. However, as you are attempting to put a spin on the interpretation by ussing inexact language, the only assumption that we can make is that you are in fact attempting to decieve us by putting a biased spin on that passage. I thank you for the suggested reading though, I find this passage to be especially relevant:
  
  Ephesians 5:6-7
  6: Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
  7: Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
  
  vain:
  1: having no real value : idle, worthless
  2: marked by futility or ineffectualness : unsuccessful, useless
  (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vain)

• Knight

  Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:53 am : 1 : 0 Flag

  All those surprised by this???
  
  *sound of crickets chirping*
  
  Good, you shouldn't be. Just because Arnold has an "R" in his title does not make him friendly to the traditional family.

• TerryH

  Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:43 am : 4 : 2 Flag

  Dongard wrote:
  i am confident that californians will accept and welcome their gay neighbors as equals in rejecting these bigoted and hateful attempts to impose a narrow religious test on us all. rejecting hospital visitation rights. this is not just cruel, it is immoral.
  
  You seem to have a knack for using the terms hatred and bigoted in your posts, rather loosely I might add. Are you sure you know what a bigot is? And yes there is hatred, we as Christians are called to hate sin and homosexuality is sin. Christians are also called to reprove sin.
  Ephesians 5:10-12 (King James Version)
  10Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
  11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
  12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
  Bigot:
  A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
  
  Opposing homosexuality is not something we Christians do out of our opinion but based on the standard of God’s law.
  
  Reprove:
  Reprehend, chide, admonish; berate, betongue; bring to account, call to account, call over the coals, rake over the coals, call to order; take to task, reprove, lecture, bring to book; read a lesson, read a lecture to; rebuke, correct.
  
  Before you call a Christian a bigot, you may want to consider whether they are speaking from personal opinion or God’s divine law. Just because someone disagrees with you and attempts to correct you doesn’t mean they hate you.

• dgnymn

  Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:25 pm : 3 : 1 Flag

  Arnold???? Well....what about this "hateful and bigoted" attempt to define marriage as one man and one woman??? Hey, pal, have you ever read the Scriptures? Jesus Christ affirmed the marriage between one man and one woman!!! Got it!!!! California is SO out of touch with the rest of the country, it ain't funny!!!!
  
  As far as focusing our attempts on trying to get naturalized citizens elected President, what....does Arnie think he ever had a chance??!!?? NOT!!! The founders of this nation were on guard against people like Arnold !!!!! He would never get elected in this nation's highest office.
  
  He's not a Republican...more like a political chameleon!!! Don't EVER trust him!!!!
  
  REPENT, ARNIE, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND!!!!

• ifeelfine72

  Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:18 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

  SqueakyWheel: Go back and read the article - Arnold said that he opposes any kind of amendment defining marriage whether it be one man one woman or other options.

• John5796

  Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:05 pm : 13 : 4 Flag

  Immoral? LOL. But 2 sodomites practicing their unnatural filth is not I suppose? According to Webster (which is a dictionary):
  
  Im*mor"al\, a. [Pref. im- not + moral: cf. F. immoral.] Not moral; inconsistent with rectitude, purity, or good morals; contrary to conscience or the divine law; wicked; unjust; dishonest; vicious; licentious; as, an immoral man; an immoral deed.

• dongard

  Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:14 am : 6 : 15 Flag

  i am confident that californians will accept and welcome their gay neighbors as equals in rejecting these bigoted and hateful attempts to impose a narrow religious test on us all. rejecting hospital visitation rights. this is not just cruel, it is immoral.

• SqueakyWheel

  Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:08 am : 12 : 1 Flag

  Randy Thomasson, president of Campaign for Children and Families, a leading West Coast pro-family organization, issued the following statement regarding Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger promising a homosexual group on Friday that he will oppose any ballot measure protecting marriage for a man and a woman:
  
  "Arnold Schwarzenegger is saying one thing and doing another. When he first ran for governor, he said he believed marriage was only for a man and a woman. He promised to veto every bill legalizing same-sex marriage. He even said marriage is up to the courts or the voters to decide. Now he's flip-flopped and betrayed average voters by pledging to 'fight against' protecting marriage licenses for a man and a woman in the California State Constitution. He's showing everyone that he is integrity-challenged."
  
  "Marriage is a beautiful and exclusive relationship between one man and one woman. If you don't have a man and a woman, you don't have marriage. In his hypocrisy on this vitally important issue, Governor Schwarzenegger has pandered to homosexual activists and abandoned the majority of Californians, who strongly support man-woman marriage. Finally, as a self-proclaimed Catholic, how does Arnold explain his big disagreement with Jesus on the sanctity of marriage?"

• SqueakyWheel

  Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:01 am : 9 : 2 Flag

  Californians should just ignore Schwarzenegger's bullypulpit. He has no legal authority to prevent an amendment to the California Constitution. Let the people speak out! More power to the people of California!