Blue,

As regards islam, Islam is a revealed religion and the way it was revealed must be made known, because there lays the key to understanding Islam. The following information can be easily accessed in the West with little effort and research.


When Mohammed was contacted by the spirit (Jibrail) in the cave he was convinced he had been contacted by a harmful (evil) spirit and returned very distressed to his wife Khadijah, who thought otherwise, and to reassure Mohammed, she took him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Naufal, who, allegedly, was "a very old man who knew the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians" and on this old man's OPINION , the spirit who had contacted Mohammed was declared as coming from God and that Mohammed was to become the Prophet of his people! (pages 10 and 11 of the introduction to the English translation of the Holy Quran by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall). If this old man really knew the Christian Scriptures he would have told Mohammed that he had been contacted by an evil spirit (as Mohammed had correctly thought when the spirit had first appeared to him) on the basis of the biblical teaching found in the New Testament in the letter to the Galatians 1:8 where it is stated ..."if an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached (Jesus' gospel) let him be eternally condemned"...

To be brief... the Koran was revealed by a false spirit (a demon) as the translator Marmaduke Pickthall so unwittingly gives testimony to in his introduction of the Holy Quran page 11, 3rd paragraph: "the words which came to him (Mohammed) when in a state of trance are held sacred by the Muslims and are never confounded with those which he uttered when no physical change was apparent in him. (during his trance, they covered mohammed with a sheet...do you know why?)

The former are the Sacred Book (the Koran); the latter the Hadith or Sunnah...” with the above statement Pickthall is confirming that the Koran was recited by Mohammed while in a state of trace or in other words under demonic possession. Consequently, it should not surprise us that when a person starts believing in the Koran, a demonic product, he turns evil. In the New Testament in the letter to the Ephesians 4:30 ..." God's Holy Spirit... gets rid of all bitterness, passion, anger... hateful feelings of any sort... instead makes you kind and tender hearted... forgiving one another... as God has forgiven you through Christ." This Spirit is not the spirit that leads practicing muslims to become suicide bombers .

As Christians in the West we have a great opportunity and obligation to lovingly approach our Muslim neighbours with the Good News of the true Jesus so that their eyes may be opened and step from darkness into light.

Blue,

As regards islam, Islam is a revealed religion and the way it was revealed must be made known, because there lays the key to understanding Islam. The following information can be easily accessed in the West with little effort and research.


When Mohammed was contacted by the spirit (Jibrail) in the cave he was convinced he had been contacted by a harmful (evil) spirit and returned very distressed to his wife Khadijah, who thought otherwise, and to reassure Mohammed, she took him to her cousin Waraqa ibn Naufal, who, allegedly, was "a very old man who knew the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians" and on this old man's OPINION , the spirit who had contacted Mohammed was declared as coming from God and that Mohammed was to become the Prophet of his people! (pages 10 and 11 of the introduction to the English translation of the Holy Quran by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall). If this old man really knew the Christian Scriptures he would have told Mohammed that he had been contacted by an evil spirit (as Mohammed had correctly thought when the spirit had first appeared to him) on the basis of the biblical teaching found in the New Testament in the letter to the Galatians 1:8 where it is stated ..."if an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached (Jesus' gospel) let him be eternally condemned"...

To be brief... the Koran was revealed by a false spirit (a demon) as the translator Marmaduke Pickthall so unwittingly gives testimony to in his introduction of the Holy Quran page 11, 3rd paragraph: "the words which came to him (Mohammed) when in a state of trance are held sacred by the Muslims and are never confounded with those which he uttered when no physical change was apparent in him. (during his trance, they covered mohammed with a sheet...do you know why?)

The former are the Sacred Book (the Koran); the latter the Hadith or Sunnah...” with the above statement Pickthall is confirming that the Koran was recited by Mohammed while in a state of trace or in other words under demonic possession. Consequently, it should not surprise us that when a person starts believing in the Koran, a demonic product, he turns evil. In the New Testament in the letter to the Ephesians 4:30 ..." God's Holy Spirit... gets rid of all bitterness, passion, anger... hateful feelings of any sort... instead makes you kind and tender hearted... forgiving one another... as God has forgiven you through Christ." This Spirit is not the spirit that leads practicing muslims to become suicide bombers .

As Christians in the West we have a great opportunity and obligation to lovingly approach our Muslim neighbours with the Good News of the true Jesus so that their eyes may be opened and step from darkness into light.

Dr. Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America, believes it would have been in God's power to make everyone the same. But "God created religious pluralism for a reason," she said, "so we can strive as in a race towards goodness."

Now, for some reason her answer seemsmore reasonable than the groups and groups of Christians bickering all the time

This is evidence that we are smack dab in the middle of Revelations and we are witnessing the falling away of the Church. Repent before it is too late!

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/#the_message_that_we_were_born_to_hear

Examine yourselves to see if you be on the faith.

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/#the_message_that_we_were_born_to_hear

Sorry McMahon, I want to understand the bible, I want to live it's promises. Christ died so that all who believe could be forgiven and live a life with Christ. To serve. Youl can't experience something if you don't understand it. The only way to understand it, is so read and study it. For example, Skydiving? Don't just jump! So many confused people. Lead astray by false hopes and prophets. We as Christians have a job to do. Open their eyes to the truth before it's to late.

Christianity calls us to feed the poor, help the sick...etc, but that is not the center of Christianity. It is Christ. let us not be tempted into believing satans agenda.

The first temptation that Jesus faced: If you are the son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.....

Jesus answer was firm and enlightening: Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God....

Christian; preach the Word, preach Christ first...and do not compromise His message...we can only attain eternal life through Him and Him only. Do not be deceived...

The Emergent Church is nothing more than postmodernism cloaked in Christian garb. They are replacing the gospel of Jesus Christ for an all inclusive social gospel which seeks to undermine biblical Christianity. How in the world can “Christians” have an inter-faith dialogue with Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, and not share the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Yes, we are to love one another; that message has always been constant but this is not about love, it is about watering down the exclusive claims of Christianity. All religions, plainly and simply, cannot be true. Some beliefs are false and seek to undermine the claims of Jesus Christ – John 14:6. This is a battle for biblical truth that we are witnessing. Truth by definition excludes, it is absolute. Either Jesus is the only way or he is not.

Political Correctness, Postmodernism (cultural relativism), Textual Criticism, and Ecumenicalism are fast replacing the gospel of Jesus Christ in many circles throughout Christendom. Only those who are being led by the Holy Spirit and those who are scripturally grounded will be able to recognize and expose this movement for what it really is; modern day paganism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRSKU9_7BJQ

quecat

lady of guadalupe ........................ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe


day of the dead..................................http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead


where in the explanations of either of these two does it say that jesus is not their lord and savior or dismiss what he did on the cross?

how is honoring those who passed before, against christ?

DRJ-

Interesting... do you believe that the Protestants who hang African Americans for the color of their skin are capable of seeing God?

Canadian-

First off... THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH! Talk about not staying true to the word! You Protestants do not care at all about the sabbath! And listen... HOMOSEXUALITY ITSELF IS NO SIN! If you go into a guy's house, and enter him, THAT is a sin! Being homosexual isn't... doing it is... Temptation isn't the sin, giving in is.

It is very interesting that this was touted as a "Spiritual" interfaith meeting. Those words make up an authentic oxymoron! Jesus said that in order to even see the (spiritual) kingdom of God, one has to be born again of the Spirit. The meeting, therefore, only served to point out who was truly spiritual and who was incapable of seeing the kingdom of God.

Feet you've posited "that this present belief came from an immediate renunciation 300 years ago, of their old religion to the jesuits, to embrace the new religion of their conquerers and occupiers."
Are you perhaps referring to the Spanish Conquistador's so called bringing "Christianity" to South and Central America? This is a poor example, indeed, of legitimate evangelism. What the Spaniards brought was not biblical Christianity, but dogmatic man-made traditions of Catholicism.

What's more - these people in being subjugated by their invaders did not "embrace" the new faith so much as assimilated it to save their hides. By and large they have not repented of their false gods, they've merely changed the names. They've not stopped showing obeisance to idols, again they've simply opted for a new identity for their old gods.
This brand of Christianity, is in fact no such thing. It is a amalgamation of their ancient tribal gods, superstitions and beliefs in methods of 'appeasing the divine", with Christian names overlaid upon it.
The "Our Lady of Guadalupe" that is yet today so ubiquitously emblazoned on the back windows of cars, little statuettes of the "Virgin" taped to the dashboard, and those standing outside of their homes in the garden, are holdovers of ancient Aztec beliefs in the lunar water-mother goddess Tontantzin Cuahtlalpancihuateotl of whom the worship of, is deeply rooted in the substratum of Mexican culture.
Little wonder that these people give the local palm reader so much business. She touts herself as being a "Curandara". In their culture and form of "Christian" religion, she is, in effect, the local shamaness who purports to be able to cast evil spirits out of their homes, remove evil eye curses and tell them their future.
Does this sound like legitimate Christianity to you?
The Bible says:
"Deu 18:10-12 "There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD:"

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No necromancy: activities performed with the intent of communicating with the dead.
hmmm -

Why then to Central American Catholics still celebrate the Day of the Dead? This event is the modernized version of the Aztec festival dedicated to a goddess called Mictecacihuatl wherein people will go to cemeteries to communicate with the souls of the departed on this day, building altars to dead relatives, offering them gifts of food and praying to them and asking for guidance.

Does this sound like Christianity to you?

There is no legitimate "evolving" of the faith! There is tainting it, twisting it, turning it into an outright lie, and stripping it of it's power to save.

Such forms of faith are not what was in mind when it was recorded in scripture:
Jud 1:3 "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once for all time delivered unto the saints."

You take issue with the expectation that "one completely renounce all connections to any other religion" ???
What does the Bible say?
2Cr 5:17 "Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Once again, your universalist tainted beliefs have led you astray.

quecat

you're point is that one has to completely renounce all connections to any other religion before one can legitimately believe and be part of christ.

you are dismissing 75% of the believers in the third world. i do not know of a third world culture that believes in christ without, in addition, holding onto some previous beliefs of a former religion.

do you think that this present belief came from an immediate renunciation 300 years ago, of their old religion to the jesuits, to embrace the new religion of their conquerers and occupiers.

or rather their faith evolved out of living it thru the grace of the holy spirit, to where they could fully embrace their faith in christ, not because it had been forced on them by their colonizers and conquerers, but because of the reality of christ witnessed in their daily lives.

in an environment such as africa, where there can be a possible a threat of death for even verbally even expressing, embracing a different religion, would you prefer mass slaughter to a gradual transformation of belief.


isaiah 42:
2 He will not shout or cry out,
or raise his voice in the streets.

3 A BRUISED REED he will not break,
and a SMOLDERING WICK he will not snuff out.
In faithfulness he will bring forth justice;

4 he will not falter or be discouraged
till he establishes justice on earth.
In his law the islands will put their hope."

Feet !!????
Are you serious? You are so far out in left field that you've left the ballpark!
You've implied that it's possible to worship the god of Islam (a works based religion) & be a Christian at the same time. You've implied that it's possible to regard Buddhist philosophy & be a Christian. FALSE! FALSE! FALSE! What does the Bible say?
Exd 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. "
Eph 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
Islam teaches that Jesus Christ was not divine but merely a prophet.
The Bible says:
1Ti 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Islam teaches that there is no salvation outside of Islam:
"Those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger (Mohammed), He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" -Koran 48:13
But the Bible says:
Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other [than Jesus]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Islam teaches that Allah has no son. "He begets not, nor he is begotten, and there is none like unto him." -Koran 112:3
But the Bible says"
1John 4:15 " Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. "
Allah and God the Father are NOT the same god!! To claim such is so is the identifying lie of universalism!
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Buddhists believe in reincarnation, a cycle of death and rebirth.
The Bible says:
Hbr 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the judgment."
Buddhists do not believe Jesus was divine.
But the Bible tells us:
Mat 16:15-17 "He (Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."
Prayers and worship are offered to Buddhas, including use of images.
The Bible says:
Lev 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God ."
Liberal Buddhism teaches there is either no god or many gods, the Bible teaches there is one God.
Matthew 4:10 - "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him ONLY shalt thou serve." We are not to worship many gods, nor any god other than Jehovah. [2 Cor 6:18; Col 1:19-22]
Buddhists believe that man must achieve the solution to his own problems over a period of many lives by human effort.
The gospel of Christ provides the ONLY true way to worship the ONLY true God. It provides a way for man to be forgiven by the death of the Son of God who paid the penalty for our sins.
Repent!

This doesn't have anything to do with the article at hand, but fornication is a sin in the Bible, whether homosexual or heterosexual in nature.

quetzal
you undoubtedly are new to these forums.
No one is hijacking this thread to "fire broadsides" against their favorite subject except Feetxxl.

Feetxxl appears on just about any and every forum that he can and attempts to maneuver the conversation around so that he can throw out his make-believe non-biblical jargon about how there is nothing in scripture that says that homosexuality is a sin.
Which naturally always evokes the response that any true bible believing Christian would give.

It's up to the Holy Spirit to deal with him now. Dozens of us have given him all the truth he needs. However, for now, his hardened and darkened heart persists in repeating his false doctrine in the event that he might find someone sympathetic to his cause.

terrier gal

one of the greatest evangelical messages i ever heard was when in one sitting k.j paul evamngelized 2 million gathered africans. he said "if you are an islamic stay an islamic, if you are a buddhist stay a buddhist, because believeing in christ is not a religion, its a relationship. he loves you and wants to live in your heart. let him comes in and touch the bitterness , anger, hatred and pain. he wants to heal you and make you whole."