I was raised in the UMC and my parents and brother still are. I now a minister with the Assembly of God. My heart breaks as I know does the Lord's when things like this are done in the name of Christian Biblical policy. If one truly reads the Word of God it will be clear that transgender, transexual or any other form of perversion is directly apposed to what the scriptures teach in word and principal. I agree that we should minister to those who are deluded by the adversary of God (Satan) but to see them delivered not made to feel that they were some mistake or mishap of creation. This is a sin issue not a genetic or cromosomal issue. Man from the beginning has tried to give excusses for his sin. Adam tried to blame Eve and Eve tried to blame the serpant. Man is responsible for his own action and needs a Savior (Jesus Christ) to deliver him from the sinful nature. We should not make or change our biblical views or perspective to give validation to or justify sin. We need to allow righteousness to reign and seek the kingdom of God.

I left the UMC after 49 years. The "creeping" liberalism, condonement of gay bishops, leadership and conference meeting agendas taking so much time, energy, money and other resources debating issues that go clearly against what is pleasing to God, and the allowing of the UMC Book of Discipline to supercede the Bible, are a few of the reasons. In, Deuteronomy, Chap. 22, the Lord speaks to Moses, and plainly states that men wearing women's clothes, and vise versa, is disgusting to the Lord. Just because the UMC Book of Discipline doesn't address transgender issues, doesn;t even matter...what God wants and commands of us is the only thing that matters. The UMC had better return to the Bible as the one and only Book of Discipline before Methodism becomes just another feel good, go along to get along religion.

argyle,

I am not saying that you are not a strong Christian who will stand up for Christian principles, however I cannot see how people can justify being in an organization which is officially against the principles they stand for. Certainly a single congregation can be good even if the whole organization is corrupt, but to be part of a single congregation is to be a part of the whole.

For instance, if there was a company that was extremely corrupt and involved in activities one was against, yet the branch where this person works is good, can it be justified to stay in this company, knowing that you bear its name and the work you do supports the central head?

You said, "Dont Judge people on what church they attend."

Fair enough, but then nobody has the right to judge Obama for attending his Church either. To me the two go hand in hand.

In God's Word Romans Ch 1:24 - Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25-They exchanged the truth of God for a lie & worshiped & served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen Read on thru to the end of the chapter. What God calls sin is sin - & it will not go unpunished. Homosexuality is wrong - God says so!

Disscussions such as this have been going on for years, not every congregation feels the same way. I love my current congregation, but if i see the word perverted in the congregation i am involved with i will leave it. Iv left a chuch before because i dissagreed with their teachings(and this wasnt a UMC). and if i have to I will do it again. Dont Judge people on what church they attend.

Flagged as inappropriate.

argyle,

If not everyone is happy with this development in the UMC, then why do they stay in the UMC?

We are at a crossroads in this nation, and in particular, the UMC, when they can publicy state that they are in engaged in transgendered talks. More like acceptance of perversity talks. Apostasy has come upon the church in this nation in a massive way, and believers need now, more than ever, to come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Be ye holy, as I am holy, and do not touch the accursed thing!!!!

REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!!!!

Not everyone in the UMC are "down" with this. Just to let you people know.

Quecat

Same here.

"you never know who you are talking to. "

I'll talk to everyone the same; share the gospel when possible, contend for the faith always, refute false doctrine and empty religion wherever it rears it's ugly head.

ShuckC - I believe you'll find too many folks flag posts on here - just because they disagree with the content. My strategy - copy paste everything into a separate document - so if you get flagged - you can just re-post. Many posts take awhile to research and write - it would be a shame to lose them so randomly.

(btw - i often wondered the same thing - is a transgendered woman, a woman who changed to a man? or a man who changed to a woman?)
and no - God doesn't make mistakes.

Quecat

Re:But again - what if? If she were real, I certainly don't want to answer to the Lord someday for stumbling a little sister Christian in her walk.

Heb 13:2 - " Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

pattiepie is no angel, obviously, but you never know who you are talking to.

I'm not surprised. When the Pattie character persisted, I had only a few ways to deal with her.
Either call her out as a phony - which would serve no purpose.
Pander to her - in the event she was really Howard playing a joke on everyone. I mean so long as she's talking to me, I can freely share the Gospel without being shouted down, huh?
Ignore her - which, if she were real, would be horribly insensitive.
Granted, it's unlkely that someone with her seemingly limited education would actually be participating in an online forum, much less have a computer or for that matter continue to subject herself to the not unexpected derision.
But again - what if? If she were real, I certainly don't want to answer to the Lord someday for stumbling a little sister Christian in her walk.
Thanks for the intel.

Okay, why exactly was my post flagged?? It had no inappropriate content. I wasn't making fun or calling anyone names. I simply want to know what "As a transgender woman..." means.

Seriously, is that a man as a woman or a woman as a man?? Consider me ignorant on the subject...I just want it clarified, thanx.

Flagged as inappropriate.

yes
Lacking patience for fighting the same battles over and over - but sticking it out none the less.
Lord grant me patience

Quecat

Are you still here?

...and as for "open hearts, open minds, open doors" - I take it that's a UMC catch phrase of some sort?
How about something more truthful: "open hearts- we embrace sin, open minds- we embrace false doctrine, open doors - ours lead straight to perdition".

You seem to think this is some sort of UMC-lovefest. It's not.
John Wesley would NOT even recognize the modern Methodist church.
I don't doubt that many of her ministers are unfit for the pulpit.

However if blatant unfitness for the ministry is a hallmark of Methodist ministers, it's no wonder that you'd believe that practising homosexuals should be allowed to the party. You're right there, ...a definite double-standard.

Go on and knock yourself out.

But the BIBLICAL standard for ministers of a BIBLICAL church is:
Titus 1:5b-11 "ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tts 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake."