"God's Word also plainly states that the human was a unique creation of God. The human, unlike all the other forms of animal life, was created in the image of God and "

Hello NEWSflash Star, who exactly do you think wrote the bible? yes MEN ! think about it. obvously they are giong to coin themselves as the pinnacle creation. try to think a little more critically.

“The Word of God implies that there was no rain prior to the great flood (deduced from Genesis 9:13).”

Ya, and how exactly did people live back then wise guy? You need water to grow things, all living things on earth require water to live. Get a clue. Oh, let me guess…another miracle to explain it away!

“These dating methods start out with the premise that all the radioactive substances started out in it pure form. I reject that assumption.”

Fail again star. We don’t use that assumption for dating radiometric techniques star, we rely on the ratio of parent to daughter elements which results in decaying isotopes decaying into others, by knowing the ratio we can measure it as it decays and establish how old it is.

“If all that was on the earth was subjected to the continual breaking up of the ground, and the gushing waters then it is logical to conclude that all life forms were buried under all the mud and at differnt levels.”

Sorry Star, but we find quite an orderly arrangement of types of life depending on the strata. In a real deluge like your flood you’d have all animals all mixed on all levels, but we don’t find that at all.

“Sometime back I gave you many articles that were written showing the unreliabilty of many of the different dating methods”

Ya star, you mentioned what are known as anomalies, which is why they were are from like the 1950 and prior to how our understanding of processes like the ‘reservoir affect’ which results in inflated dating.

I'd rather not even have you address my questions anymore star, talking to you is like talking to a wall. Even a wall can think more critically.

agentorange

The Word of God stands for ever.

The thoughts and opinions of man last but a short while; what is true today will be wrong tomorrow. Oh, the sinking sand of those who place their trust in it.

star2,

Fine star, you say earth dating methods are flawed....explain why when we use light speed which is a constant to measure the universe it's not 6000 years ofd. heck, even the andromeda galazy isn't 6000 years old, get a freaking clue already.

star2,

star, I am talking about evidence here. not rhetoric in your tired 3000 year old book. please try think outside of that box and address the evidence I presented outside of that, that is what I am saying.

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I place my faith in the God of the Bible who has changed my life. He has been faithful to His Word in my life in many areas. I accept by faith that His Word is truth even if I don't understand it all that much or if at all in many parts.

God has revealed to mankind through His Word how He did things when He created the heavens and the earth. I accept what He says as truth and try to interpret the evidence that man has from it as best as I can.

From Genesis 1 we can see that creation took place in a very short period of time and that it was a process. God has revealed to mankind that He created fish, birds, and animal life all after their own kind in their mature state and plant life after their own kind in different stages of maturity. This implies that when He created each kind of animal life or birds, or fish He created both the male and his counterpart, the female, with the capablility of reproducing offspring like themselves. Thus, fish give birth to fish, hawks give birth to hawks, cows give birth to cows, and humans give birth to humans, and etc. There is no crossing over of the different kind of spicies and there is no transition of one kind of animal life to an entirely different kind of animal life.

The Word of God also makes it very plain that God gives to each species their nature; what their instincts are, their behavior, and etc.(see Job 39 for examples)

God's Word also plainly states that the human was a unique creation of God. The human, unlike all the other forms of animal life, was created in the image of God and was given life by God breathing into him the breath of life. God commanded the man to have dominion over all creation. The Word of God also shows that the humans, Adam and Eve, were created in their mature state with the ability to walk, talk, reason, think creatively, to reproduce, and to have communion with their Creator.

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Last night I watched your videos again, both in their entirety. I understand more better now what you were trying to show and your last post to me today confirms to me that my conclusions were correct.

I do not see it the way you do. If one starts out with the premise that all life evolved from some common ancient life form, then it would be natural and logical that one would conclude that humans eventually evolved from an ancient ape based on the evidence.

But, I reject that premise. I accept by faith that God created everything like He has revealed in His Word. So, I start out with the premise that God created everything like He described in His Word.

For whatever reason God made different kinds of animals in simialr ways and they show similar but different designs. Thus, the different kinds of apes will have many characteristics that are similar but will be uniquely different in other areas. These apes will have some similar designs as the human. However, the human is totally unique. He is vastly superior to the ape, and was made to have a relationship with the Creator. The ape and all other life forms were not not made to have one.

I do not accept the dates given for the fossils. The dating methods are unreliable. Many articles written in reputable scientific journals like Science have shown that. Sometime back I gave you many articles that were written showing the unreliabilty of many of the different dating methods.

These dating methods start out with the premise that all the radioactive substances started out in it pure form. I reject that assumption. I believe that God created the earth at various levels of maturity. This would render any dating of the earth or anything else connected with the earth impossible.

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I believe God's account of the world-wide flood. God's Word says in Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were open." From this we see that God broke up the ground allowing the water underneath to come gushing out. It probably came out with great force washing the people away and burying them in the mud. Now, some how, the rains came down from the sky and every form of life was killed except, of course, those that were in the ark.

The Word of God implies that there was no rain prior to the great flood (deduced from Genesis 9:13). So, some how when the waters came gushing out from beneath the crust of the earth that that precipitated the rains.

The Word of God says in Genesis 8:2, "The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped:..." The waters from the earth and the rains continued together for forty days and forty nights (Genesis 7:12), and then God stopped both of them at the same time.

If all that was on the earth was subjected to the continual breaking up of the ground, and the gushing waters then it is logical to conclude that all life forms were buried under all the mud and at differnt levels.

If this is the case then it is not unreasonable to expect to find different remains of plant life, and animal and human fossils to be observed at different strata.

I believe that the animal and human fossils that have been found were all contemporary. So, what your videos have shown are merely the different animials and humans that were alive at the time of the flood.

“The most frustrating aspect of these discussions is what I believe Nietzche called unyielding despair that”

Most Atheists don’t even prescribed to Nietzsche’s views on life and that ‘nothing matters’ and Nihilism, what have you been reading? Or do you read?

“your bias is so firmly rooted it can not nor will not allow you to examine anything without the filter of your atheism.... and that is sad”

Yea, and like this can’t be said for the other way around for Theism right? Get real kid. Sorry but the door swings both ways in this regard.

I would just appreciate it if you or someone else would review the links to vids I posted earlier and then get back to me.

“Don't confuse atheism for belief in God.. at the end of the day, Flew accepted God as the grand creater...”

Oh trust me I am not. But don’t confuse Flew as a Deist who thinks god goes around poofing things into action as religions prescribed. A deistic or pantheistic god, as I mentioned with Star, is like natures god and one I can almost envision, however I have some questions and doubts on it, but not as many as the ones put forth by religions.

“As far as Behe.... the Denver debate did nothing to damage Behe's research or findings”

Excuse me but all of Behe’s examples of IC systems were shown in court to have evolutionary origins. One would think that would certainly kill his findings. Arguing that something is irreducible complex is an argument from person incredulity, it’s pathetic. The scientific community isn’t atheistic, most are theists! Besides, in Science that’s how ideas are vindicated by PEER REVIEW. It’s the normal science critiquing process, get a clue. All published works are open for review and that’s how science knowledge advances.

“Darwin was made a fool of in the Scopes trial..”

What! Darwin wasn’t even at the Scopes trial! Evolution is taught b/c of the scopes trial, so how exactly did it make Darwin a fool? If anything it vindicated his ideas!

“not to mention the more recent "Lucy" findings which were also shown as false..”

‘Lucy’ (Australopithecus Afarensis) isn’ t hoax, false or fraud, we have numerous specimens of these species get a clue.

“It is amazing how every step along the way, every discovery made by atheistic scientist is shortly thereafter refuted by more objective followup research...”

Such as…… you can't even name one, heck you can't even reply to my vids either.

The liars for Jesus never stop lying. They are proud of their dishonesty. They make no attempt to hide it. Anything is justified if it's for Jesus.

For the Christians, nothing is more terrifying than reality. The idea they developed from other animals, instead of being magically created to be separate from nature, scares the heck out of the Christians. They are like little children who are afraid of the dark.

agentorange, and anyone else that might wish to know,

Remember how someone went through and flagged out just about all of the articles on the CP home page? Well, he's back. it's oldguy, alias first/danny2/danny/bob.

Doesn't matter how you characterize his belief conversion... it is rooted in the fact that certain aspects of the cohesiveness and uniformity of the universe around him could only be explained through an intelligent design.... Don't confuse atheism for belief in God.. at the end of the day, Flew accepted God as the grand creater...

As far as Behe.... the Denver debate did nothing to damage Behe's research or findings.... the fact that the scientifc-atheistic community has launched an offensive against Behe since he came out with Darwin's Black Box speaks volumes.....

To try and refute Behe without acknowledging how Darwin was made a fool of in the Scopes trial.. not to mention the more recent "Lucy" findings which were also shown as false...

It is amazing how every step along the way, every discovery made by atheistic scientist is shortly thereafter refuted by more objective followup research...

The most frustrating aspect of these discussions is what I believe Nietzche called unyielding despair that an atheist must adhere to in order to make his arguements for his atheism credible in his own mind..... or put another way, your bias is so firmly rooted it can not nor will not allow you to examine anything without the filter of your atheism.... and that is sad.

oldguy,

Seriously. the guy is paramount, but I think age is perhaps creeping up on him, he's 85 now. Sorry folks, but it's a fact the mental ability and cognitive ability does taper off a bit after you get up in those years.

Regarding Flew, " In a December 2004 interview he said: I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins"

Hope that clears it up. and you should note, a Deistic god, wouldn't be out and about poofing things into existance either. A Deistic god would devise natural laws that the universe would have to abide by upon inception and result in what we see, in otherwords, evolution exists in Flews minds eye as a way of god bringing using a process (evolution) to result in diversity in life. As opposed to this poofing beings from clay into action.

One senile person invokes magic and the Christians think that's proof for the invisible man.

jar1961,

Yes, Flew a once avid Atheist is now a DEIST, not a Christian. Try not to get the 2 mixed up. He came to conclude this based on, get this, the notions put forth by the proponets of Intelligent Design or certain confines in universe.

Well, theres just a few problems there, much, if not all of Behe's instances of Ireducible Complexity were thrown in his face in Dover 2005 and shown to have evoluionary origins, so Flew is likely holding his Deistic views not on biological, but on cosmological systems. Flew isn't arguing for the same benevolent god you guys invision, he's arguing for a Deistic, or Pantheistic god which is largely indifferent to us and our livelyhood.

NEW YORK - A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God — more or less — based on scientific evidence, and he says so on a video released Thursday.

At age 81, after decades of insisting that belief is a mistake, the professor, Antony Flew, has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England.

wilderness,

Unfortunately, that does happen, good or bad parenting or not, it sorta just comes with the territory of the doctrine. However, other times they equally crouch in fear of such damnation as this thought of burning in some imagined not yet realized place overwhelms the logic and reason based mind. Is it any wonder even doubting the holly spirit is considered THE unfogiveable sin.

"Fear of Hell - what a horrible belief! The insane people who believe it love to abuse their children with this disgusting nonsense. They love to threaten people with torture in hell when they don't agree with their stupidity. Most of these nuts think only their religion can save them from the wrath of their loving god. It's pure insanity and hell believers should be locked up before they harm somebody." (BobC http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/12/34_unconvincing_arguments_for.php

Unfortunately, some children have been raised the wrong way concerning God, and it drove them far from really knowing God. Though children must be taught the consequences of a sinful life, it must be tempered with the knowledge of God’s love.

Ps 86:15 But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.