For those of you who favor prayers being used in public schools, be careful what you wish for. Your great granchildren might be praying to some other non-Christian diety and then how would you feel?

Here are some terms for you from this uneducated, Christian:

Punctuated equillibrium
First and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics
Law of Entropy
Law of Universal Planetary Motion

and finally:: the law of the great slime pool created a baby (both male and female) at the same time, and in their infancy survived on the shores of primordial earth, no clothes, no food, no supermarket, no medicine..... and survived on their own...

NOw if thats the case then wow did we DE-volve... cause I haven't seen a baby yet that could do its own shopping, change its diaper, keep itself warm and feed itself...

FOR OLDGUY: So i will take it you either have no sound scientifc response as to how the first man came into the world as a baby and took care of itself of the primordial beaches of earth, spewing with volcanoes, harsh elements and no supermarkets... I really do want to know how you explain how that baby took care of itself and survived.....

oldguy,

In any case, atheistic evolution says that humans came from primordial slime, goo... Sure they say it took billions of years for the goo to become a man, but the goo became a man. Your great great great............(billions of years pass).......great grandfather/mother/it was a puddle of slime.

So if the valedictorian decides that he/she wants to pray before giving a speech what are they going to do? Keep that person's diploma? Please!

Our job is to spread the good word and not to be afraid of persecution. Every little seed counts and I would applaud anyone who prays in public despite what any government tells them. I'm not afraid to die (as would be in some countries) for my God!

Hey oldguy - The Apostle Paul warned Christians about those who would come preaching a false doctrine along time before the theory of evolution came into existence. HMMM> wonder how he knew that?

question: oldguy are you atheist or agnostic? how old are you anyway? 16?

man was created from the slime pool?

What are you talking about?

It sounds like you think a microscopic living cell gave birth to a modern human.

Do you have any science education at all? Do you know how to spell science?

Are all religious people as uneducated as you are?

God has taught us....
Render to Ceasar what is Ceasars, Render to God what is God's.

There is a reason for the Separation of Church and State.
Rather than abusing the law in the name of faith, why don't we teach our students why it protects our faith?

FOR OLDGUY... NOW THIS IS THE 3RD TIME I HAVE ASKED YOU TO EXPOUND ON YOUR RECENT STATEMENT... SO LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN:


Let me ask you.. after man was created from the slime pool... who took care of the baby's need? I mean we both agree that man starts as a baby.. or did the slime pool make them adults?

Who fed them ,, clothed them, protected them from the elements and sickness? I mean did they live on the beaches of prehistoric earth without being able to fend for themselves and lived to be adults?

jar1961, your rejection of the science of evolution, and your strange misconceptions about it, is another reason why I think religions harm people.

letsgetreal: "if life really means nothing"

Who said that?

Hi Old Guy,
If you're really old what value has your life really been? Why bother? You don't have much time left. And if life really means nothing than why are you working so hard to get us brainwashed but happy Christians to lose the only hope we have and that's Jesus Christ?
The difference between us is that we have made peace with our true Father, God.
Studies show most atheists have had a poor representation of an earthly father, and therefore can't see the one who really values and loves them if they'll let Him. The first step is to swallow your pride and forgive.

FOR OLDGUY: "i assume you're joking. Certainly you understand our ancestors developed into modern humans about 100,000 or 200,000 years ago, but evolution began after the first living cells appeared almost 4,000,000,000 years ago. A microscopic living cell di
d not give birth to a modern human. The tree of life took billions of years to develop"..

lol... NOW YOU'RE JOKING... EXPLAIN THIS.. You are claiming that mankind in this hypothetical development theory of yours skipped infancy???? That time replaced cellular division with some other form of biological and evolutionary development? WOW... now thats a new one....

FOR OLDGUY: Deflection is the methodology used by atheists in engaging in debate. I noticed you didnt answer the questions... so I will pose them again.... I am awaiting for your enlightened answers to some basic biological issues which you must be able to respond to in order for the theory of evolution to be more than just a theory.. what is was, is and always will be...

I will raise you up in prayer......

My heart breaks for people like you... it takes more faith to believe we are created from nothing, our existence credited to a pool of slime.. which just so happens also created the female species at the same time...

Let me ask you.. after man was created from the slime pool... who took care of the baby's need? I mean we both agree that man starts as a baby.. or did the slime pool make them adults?

Who fed them ,, clothed them, protected them from the elements and sickness? I mean did they live on the beaches of prehistoric earth without being able to fend for themselves and lived to be adults?

NOw that takes alot of faith!!!

Sooo i guess if people are upset because a public school should use some form of religion during a graduation ceremony, it is also ok for a public school to promote aethism and a no-god status... you can't be tipped one way or another... you have one pro-life group, gotta have a pro-choice.. students speak out against homosexuality, then gay students should be allowed to bash the anti-gay ignorance they hear.. or you could just ignore the issue altogher to avoid controversies. Good for this judge.

"Let me ask you.. after man was created from the slime pool... who took care of the baby's need? I mean we both agree that man starts as a baby.. or did the slime pool make them adults?"

I assume you're joking. Certainly you understand our ancestors developed into modern humans about 100,000 or 200,000 years ago, but evolution began after the first living cells appeared almost 4,000,000,000 years ago. A microscopic living cell did not give birth to a modern human. The tree of life took billions of years to develop.

This is a very good question: "And what exactly has atheism done to transform the lives of those seeking hope and purpose in a chaotic world?"

The world is chaotic but my neighborhood is like a paradise to me.

Milton: "The mind is its own place, and of itself can make a Heaven of Hell, or a Hell of Heaven."

Shakespeare: "There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so"

I'm ashamed to say I used to have all the strange Christian beliefs. When I finally figured out it was all a bunch of made up stories, I was very glad to be rid of it. I no longer wasted my day off going to church. I was pleased I was no longer a slave of some man in the sky. Now I knew I had only one life and I understood the importance of making the most of it. Any person can create their own purpose for their life. People should be grateful for the one life they have. It's greedy, not to mention crazy, to wish for a 2nd life in a mythical heaven.

"And..that lie has somehow persevered for 2000 years... that's some lie....."

I agree. The Resurrection of Jesus and the claim he was the son of God, is the biggest hoax in human history. Every generation is brainwashed to believe it, long before they are old enough to think for themselves. When they do grow up, it's too late. Their lives are permanently wasted.

FOR OLDGUY: "Jesus is a myth"

Old Guy.. ?.. WOuld you die for something that you knew to be a lie?

11 men went to a martyr's death..... for what you define as a lie...

that "lie" was documented in the secular writings of the Roman Historian Josephus

that "lie" was the transfomring power in the proculator's life Pontius Pilate who was returned to Rome and executed by Cesear for what has been passed on through the ages for his conversion to Christianity after he sent Christ to the cross.

It was the "lie" that transformed Italy from a pagan society to a Christian nation...

It is amazing how that "lie" has transformed the history of mankind...

And what exactly has atheism done to transform the lives of those seaking hope and purpose in a chaotic world?

My heart breaks for people like you... it takes more faith to believe we are created from nothing, our existence credited to a pool of slime.. which just so happens also created the female species at the same time...

Let me ask you.. after man was created from the slime pool... who took care of the baby's need? I mean we both agree that man starts as a baby.. or did the slime pool make them adults?

Who fed them ,, clothed them, protected them from the elements and sickness? I mean did they live on the beaches of prehistoric earth without being able to fend for themselves and lived to be adults?

NOw that takes alot of faith!!!


And..that lie has somehow persevered for 2000 years... that's some lie.....

Men like you have also denied the holocaust...

oldguy: "God is now in the business of supplying 22 year old hookers for governors?"

jar1961: "What are you talking about?"

This is what I was talking about:

jar1961: "Did you know that a month before ELliot Spitzers demise, that he was preparing to launch a terrible campaign against the Christian community and a call for intercessory prayer was done on a regional level to ask God to intercede and stop him... Guess God heard us."

It amazes me that so many people think they are such a big deal that the God of the entire universe listens to their strange requests.

Christ: "He who denies me in this life him I will deny in the next."

jar1961: "so while private prayer is important.. public profession of our faith is also expected."

You're making that up. I find it hard to believe Christ would require show-off praying. If I remember correctly the Bible said Jesus was strongly against the idea of people showing off how holy they are.

In a public school not every student is a Christian and some students don't want to have anything to do with any religion. At a graduation ceremony they should not be forced to listen to religious students praying. The Christians have churches for this purpose.

Jesus is a myth, but if Jesus was real, I can't imagine him approving of people who don't respect the rights of minorities. Students who pray out loud when they know other students don't want to listen to it are being extremely rude, and they are showing off. Is this what religions are for?

FOR OLD GUY: "Doesn't God prefer praying in the closet instead of show off praying?"

The whole purpose of man is to worship and glorify God.....

And I will ad to that statement.. in all we do .. and to give Him thanks.

Christ said..He who denies me in this life him I will deny in the next... so while private prayer is important.. public profession of our faith is also expected.

FOR OLDGUY: What are you talking about?