How intelligent design is misrepresented by its friends (Part 2)
In my last intelligent design post I complained that Expelled creates the (erroneous) perception that ID is anti-Darwin, religious, and committed to assuming God is the designer. Now on to provide some examples.
Let's begin with the point when Ben Stein considers Francis Crick's attempt to explain the apparent design of DNA. Though an atheist, Crick concedes that DNA may have been designed, but then he suggests that this design could have resulted from intelligent alien life (i.e. the theory of directed panspermia).
Instead of seriously engaging this proposal of an alien designer, Stein dismisses it with a condescending sneer: "I thought we were talking about science, not science fiction!" This may play for cheap laughs among some conservative Christian viewers, but the cost of this quip is high. How so? Because granting the possibility of an alien designer establishes that ID hypotheses are not necessarily theistic, and that is important to refute the dogged claim that ID is merely "creationism in a cheap tuxedo".
Not only is ID not necessarily pro-theistic, neither is it necessarily anti-Darwin. Remember Paul Nelson's definition of ID in the film: "a minimal commitment scientifically to the possibility of detecting intelligent causation". It follows that there is no necessary conflict between ID and the Darwinian thesis that species originated through a process of random mutation and natural selection (so long as "random" is not defined tendentiously in an absolute metaphysical sense).
Sadly, just as Expelled marginalizes non-thesistic ID theories, so it ignores pro-Darwin Christian theology. Or if not quite ignoring it, it only pays attention to it long enough to dismiss it. Consider one interview where Eugenie Scott (of the NCSC) says to Ben Stein: "The most important group we work with is members of the faith community because the best kept secret in this controversy is that Catholics and mainstream Protestants are okay on evolution."
Scott is entirely correct in noting this woefully under-reported fact. But instead of engaging the work of the many, many theologians who embrace evolution, Stein's offers this condescending reply: "Are you sure about that Eugenie?" Next, he substantiates his implied skepticism by interviewing not a theologian but rather a theologically uninformed journalist who dismisses all pro-Darwin theologians as "liberals". Unless that journalist tendentiously defines liberal theologian as "one who accepts evolution", this is merely a cheap ad hominem (assuming that "liberal" is meant as an insult).
Not content with defining all pro-Darwin theologians as liberals, this journalist then makes the following completely outrageous claim: "Implicit in most evolutionary theory is that either there is no God or God cannot have anything, any role in it. So naturally, as many evolutionists will say, it's the strongest engine for atheism." Sure Richard Dawkins would agree with that. But why not interview some of the majority of Christian theologians who would not?
It is not that Expelled completely shuts out theologians who accept evolution. Indeed, Stein interviews a number of them including Alister McGrath, John Lennox and John Polkinghorne. The only problem is that he never broaches the topic of theistic evolution, or even tips off the viewer that these theologians hold these views.
After a horribly skewed survey of the issues Stein draws his predictable conclusion: "It appears Darwinism does lead to atheism...." To this I say: only if you want it to Mr. Stein.
I'm assuming you're still joking since the post critiques "Expelled" for conflating ID with anti-Darwinism. Gosh, you must be the life of the party with all your knee-slappers!
That was a joke, son. Just as your absurd comment "Not only is ID not necessarily pro-theistic, neither is it necessarily anti-Darwin" was obviously a joke. Expelled was so over-the-top anti-Darwin it could have come from Coral Ridge Ministries. Seriously, you saw "Expelled" and don't think it was anti-Darwin?
Much of what you say is generously back-slapping for which I am grateful. But then you state the following disagreement: "in order for ID to be a useful it must contradict evolutionary theory. Otherwise it's just "evolution in cheap bishops robes". If it doesn't add anything new to the scientific understanding of life that evolutionary theory doesn't already offer than it can't be a different theory."
As I have stated elsewhere in this blog, I don't think of ID as a scientific theory at all. Rather, it is a proposal for scientific methodology that the criteria we use to theorize be expanded to include intelligent causation. Even if evolutionary theory were defined in such a way as to exclude design (i.e. if "random" mutation was taken in an absolute, metaphysical sense) that would not exclude design from science but only from evolution.
JohnKandor,
Your citation from "Of Panadas and People" points to what was well established at Dover: that in some cases ID is merely creationism relabeled. But to my mind such unfortunate examples have no bearing on ID properly defined.
I agree in part with what you state at the end: what I have said is ID is, in my view, compatible with theistic evolution, but it underdetermines the appropriate theory of biological origins.
I agree with that statement, but I would urge that it has nothing to do with ID. Consider the following definition of ID, taken from the infamous ID text "Of Pandas and People":
"Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc."
This fundamental thesis of ID, its very definition, is belied by the evidence: The various forms of life did NOT begin abruptly with their distinctive features intact. Moreover, the closest thing to a scientific idea that ID advocates have put forward, Behe's concept of irreducible complexity, is an argument that it is impossible for certain biological structures to evolve (e.g., his claim about the bacterial flagellum).
It seems that what you are referring to as ID is actually closer to the theistic evolution of Ken Miller or Francis Collins.
You make very good points about how some of the arguments supporting ID actually undermine ID (I am also ready to accept the mastery of our green alien overlord creators should they reveal themselves). I am one of your counterparts from the other side of the field trying to get people to stop using shoddy arguments to attack ID ;) Sometimes people just get so wrapped up in defending or attacking a position that they stop thinking about whether or not their arguments make sense (pretty major blunder to call aliens "science fiction" in the context of promoting an objective search for a potential intelligent creator of life on earth).
One major point of disagreement I have with you is that in order for ID to be a useful it must contradict evolutionary theory. Otherwise it's just "evolution in cheap bishops robes". If it doesn't add anything new to the scientific understanding of life that evolutionary theory doesn't already offer than it can't be a different theory. You're absolutely right that ID cannot exist as a legitimate scientific theory if it seeks to contradict evolutionary theory without sufficient evidence or if it is inherently religious. Without evidence there isn't much in ID to talk about that isn't indistinguishable from Creationism though (modern astrobiology and abiogenesis speculation has the "aliens did it" angle well covered without violating scientific standards or demanding cultural revolutions btw).
I wish you much luck in promoting reason and polite discourse!
Um, I haven't seen "Expelled" you say? That's interesting since THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO IS A CRITIQUE OF EXPELLED. Please come back for further discussion when your opinions have been minimally informed.
Don't be silly. Intelligent design creationism is virulently anti-Darwin, anti-evolution, anti-biology and anti-science. It's obvious you haven't read the Wedge Document (see http://ncseweb.org/creationism/general/wedge-document ) or seen the execrable film "Expelled." (See http://www.expelledexposed.com for a discussion of Expelled's non-stop lies and distortions.)
Phillip Johnson, the founding father of intelligent design creationism, wrote a book following the 1987 US Supreme Court decision banning the teaching of "creation science" in public schools. His book was titled "Darwin on Trial" and it was poisonously anti-Darwin and anti-science. Among other preposterous things, Johnson proposed re-defining science to allow claims of supernatural creation. (This was a significant pre-cursor to another intelligent design creationist's claim in the 2005 Dover trial that for intelligent design creationism to be defined as "science," the definition of science would have to be so dumbed-down that astrology could be defined as being "science."
But don't confuse Christians who believe in Darwin's theory with ID proponents who want the scientific community to make the existence of a Creator part and parcel of that theory. As scientists, they cannot, though they may believe themselves in their personal lives. And ID proponents are out to discredit the idea that humans can share a lineage with other primates; apes. Why? I don't know. For me, whatever process and timing God chose to imbue us with our human souls is largely irrelevant. He did give us souls and create us in His likeness with a chance for eternal slavation. That's the substance of the matter.
To fear a theory that links us with lower primates can only mean acceptance of the literal nature of Genesis which say we were created separately, in our present entirety, by God. If you assume Genesis is a fable written to impress on us, simply, that God created all, it is easier to accept that we don't know exactly how He did it. Then you can easily travel to the end result, man created in the image and likeness of God, blessed with an immortal soul. Again, the process only matters if you think you know what that was. And, we don't. God does work in mysterious ways.
What dishonesty!
Since everyone knows the designer is a magic god fairy, of course it's theistic. And nothing could possibly be more anti-science than theism, also known as "it was magic".
Believe whatever childish insane nonsense you want, but I have a big problem with compulsive liars.
Just please admit ID is an anti-science religious belief. Be honest. It won't kill you.
That's a very broad question given the enormous diversity among theistic evolutionists. Let me just note some points of disagreement. Some theistic evolutionists would deny that there was a historical Adam. Others would accept that there was a historical Adam. Some deny that divine action occurs through natural processes. Others affirm this. Some deny that Genesis 1-3 is inerrant. Others affirm that Genesis 1-3 is inerrant. Some deny that human beings have souls distinct from their bodies. Others affirm this.
In other words theistic evoultionists disagree on hermeneutics, bibliology, doctrine of God, doctrine of the fall et cetera.
But one thing is clear: there is no contradiction between Christian, or evangelical Christian conviction, and neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory. And "Expelled" should have acknowledged that fact.
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Randal Rauser is associate professor of historical theology at Taylor Seminary, Edmonton, Canada and was granted Taylor's first annual teaching award for Outstanding Service to Students in 2005.
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