The games people play with morality
Over the last few posts I have been arguing that morality is objective and that naturalistic (i.e. non-supernaturalist) views of the world are unable to ground morality as objective. Thus, insofar as we agree that we do in fact know certain moral facts as objective, absolute facts (e.g. it is a fact that it is wrong to torture infants for fun as surely as it is a fact that 2+2=4), this counts against the truth of naturalism and is indeed a reason to reject naturalism.
In other words, the atheist must choose which of the two propositions is more plausible:
(1) Naturalism is true
(2) It is objectively wrong to torture infants
If a person concedes that (2) is more intuitively compelling than (1), then a person has a defeater for naturalism. And that means that the existence of objective moral law compels a person to admit a form of supernaturalism (i.e. one with objective non-physical moral laws).
This concession to supernaturalism might not bring us over the threshold and into theism, but it certainly brings us a lot closer. As a result it is not real suprising that my atheist friends have been resistent to affirm (2) given their penchant for (1).
But this is not to say they openly reject (2). At least some have sought some non-supernatural way to affirm the objective facthood of (2).
And this brings me to Sorceror who has been describing morality as a game. As a further explication of his views, Sorcerer pointed me to two websites, one of which I took a look at:
ingles.homeunix.net/rants/atheism/strategies.html
Unfortunately, this left me sensing the inadequacy of the analogy more than ever.
Is morality a game?
We can cut through the argument by starting with the article's conclusion:
By cooperating with others, we improve our own lives. I enjoy living in a house that I could never have built by myself, and eating food that I could never have grown by myself, and using a computer that I could never have built on my own, and listening to music I could never have composed, and so forth.
I contend that I am ethical and moral, that people in general are ethical and moral, because the alternative is running naked in the woods fighting over scraps of food.
Essentially the argument seems to be this: we are playing a game called "human flourishing" or "human happiness". And the best way to win that game -- to achieve our happiness -- is to engage in behaviors that are of the kind we call moral. Because I act morally, I enjoy my comfortable home, silver Hyundai, and loving family. If I violated the game (to a certain degree anyway), I would lose those things and might end up in San Quentin prison or worse. So we act morally because it makes sense for us: it ensures our happiness.
I ask you, is this really an adequate conception of the moral life? Here are some problems.
The Moral Monster Problem: according to this view, morality is constitutive of the sum total of external acts that yield the greatest total happiness (either for the individual or the group or perhaps both).
But this is consistent with an individual who acts *morally* externally (i.e. by seeking self interest through the greatest happiness) and yet has an inner life where he fantasizes about killing, dismembering and eating infants. Since such an individual acts externally in a "moral" sense, that person is, on this view, moral. Surely however this is wrong: the interior life of a person is as fundamental for their moral character as their exterior actions. (This point was memorably hammered home by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.)
The Who Decides the Goal of the Game Problem: This argument depends on a game that stipulates certain ends as the objectively preferred ends. For instance, lounging in front of a big screen TV and drinking a Budweiser with a plate of chicken wings is superior to running naked in the woods fighting over scraps of food. Thus the person that gets the big screen TV wins while the dude left to run naked in the woods loses.
The problem with that is that not everybody agrees on the rules of the game or the desired outcome. Sorceror's article tacitly concedes this:
Are humans similar enough to each other in fundamental desires and capabilities that a basic 'universal moral framework' is possible? I believe so; while there may be aberrant individuals who have some inborn need to become a serial killer, I think such are few and far between. Most people understand the Golden Rule and similar guidelines. Almost everyone is willing to cheat sometimes, under some circumstances, but I think nearly everyone understands the reasons for moral behavior.
Let's think about a person who disagrees with our rules of the game. They may be few and far between, but they are there. And they constitute a defeater for the purported objectivity of our rules. This person wants to play a different game.
For instance, most of us would agree that getting killed and eaten by a cannibal is losing the game. But a few years ago two blokes in Germany made the headlines because they had a pact where one killed and ate the other. For these two, that was considered a game winning move.
This game account of the moral life leaves us with no recourse to say that objectively that was not a game winning move. Rather, we are forced to concede that they won their game and we are striving to win ours. But there is no objective basis to judge which game is superior or inferior because there is no fact about that. As a result, superiority is wholly relativized to the individual.
The Ethical Egoism Problem: This game account of the moral life could be taken to be consistent a form of utilitarianism: always act so as to secure the greatest happiness for the greatest number. If this were the view, it would beg the question of why we should think that the greatest good for the greatest number is a binding criterion of the moral life.
But really it seems to me that this game account of morality boils down to a form of ethical egoism. That is, the right thing to do (and thus the moral life) consists of acting so as to maximize my own personal happiness. Again, this is a deeply counterintuitive notion of the ethical life.
Moreover, it leads to the moral obligation to commit actions we recognize as heinous. Consider the following scenario:
Lewis encounters a new immigrant (a miserable curmudgeon mind you) with no family or friends who has just left the immigration station and has slipped and fallen beside a creek where he hit his head and was knocked unconscious. Lewis can turn the curmudgeon over into the creek where he will drown, empty the man's life savings from his wallet, and provide a happy life for his poor wife and children. Or Lewis can take the miserable miser to the hospital where he will recover and probably blame Lewis for his fall.
If Lewis' own happiness (or even the sum total happiness of society) is the criterion, it might be his obligation to kill the man and steal the money, even though these would strike us as immoral actions.
In sum, the game attempt to reduce morality to something decidedly pragmatic and "natural" fails. There is an objective moral law as surely as there are laws of logic. And so much the worse for naturalism and the supposed truth of (1).
> What is an edge case?
The behavior you cite (even just murder and rape, let alone cannibalism and infanticide) are not deeds most of us will personally encounter, let alone seriously contemplate performing.
> As I have shown in my critique of game morality,
I did not quite follow the point you were making there, but you certainly did not tie that example to naturalism.
> there is no remotely plausible account of the immorality of baby torture/killing/cannibalism from naturally rooted accounts of morality.
It is trivially obvious that evolution and natural selection would favor societies with just such taboos!
"I have pointed out statements like '...' is always true...These are OBJECTIVE FACTS."
More assertions. What could you possibly mean by it is always true? Maybe you mean that there is no disagreement. All right. Even if we grant that humans universally believe statements like "torturing babies is wrong" to be true does that tells us about some incontrovertible fact of the universe that floats abstractly around from time immemorial or does that tell us more about the nature of human beings as an intelligent and social animal? You claim that its "truth" does not depend on matter or energy - but neither does mathematics, and nobody (I hope) is suggesting that mathematically derived objective truths are evidence of some kind of supernatural realm. Both moral and mathematical "truths" (especially the latter) may be objectively true in some rational space of axioms, propositions, logic, and argumentation, but the existence of such a space is dependent on human cognition to imagine it.
"Thus, if one admits to the existence of non-physical and non-mental objective laws which are themselves grounded in objective virtues, then one has by definition rejected naturalism."
Such laws are not non-mental. They exist only within the mental space of human beings. We may all sense, thanks to our biology, that torturing babies is wrong, and we may also all be able to formulate objective (non-arbitrary) arguments to support such a conclusion, but there is nothing mysteriously supernatural happening here.
"We need to identify just one moral fact which is indisputably not traceable to matter/energy or that which supervenes upon matter and energy to refute naturalism."
The fact that moral claims fall along a somewhat readily discoverable spectrum of agreement from universal to contentious tells us more about ourselves than it does about the moral issues. All moral 'facts' are subservient to us because we create them. We write about them, we articulate them, and we argue over them. They are an integral part of our social processes and relationships. Sometimes our construction of moral values leads to a consensus, sometimes not, but in the end naturalism is still safe.
Actually, to me the fact that everybody considers infanticide a heinous crime, that a scan of the brain of those who don't shows faulty wirings and that I wouldn't be here if my ancestors ate their offsprings, points to emergent morality. Expecially if you shift proposition 2) to a less gut-wrenching and more controversial situation, like, say, stem cells research :p
> there is no remotely plausible account of the immorality of baby torture/killing/cannibalism from naturally rooted accounts of morality. <
Are you kidding?
I suppose we can agree that eating your owns or killing your pals isn't a particularly smart strategy in evolutionary terms.
I suppose we can also agree that social animals work on the basis of the concepts of ingroup and outgroup and that killing the other guys and eating their owns is a strategy that might pay off.
What happens when the developing of the brain forces a species to reconsider the borders of the ingroup?
It happen that ingroup strategies get applied more and more broadly.
Up to the point when some people decide to give up bacon because you oughtn't kill even pigs... (freaks, if you ask me, but they do have a point).
Consider Saddam Hussein. A quote from a Newsweek article:
"When one of the most secure and luxurious of his palace-and-bunker complexes was completed in 1984, at a cost of $70 million, Saddam Hussein moved in right away. But even protected by enormous layers of concrete, sand and steel, behind zigzag corridors and blast doors made to withstand a Hiroshima-size explosion, and guarded by men who knew they'd have to be ready to die for him, or be killed by him, Saddam apparently could not sleep. 'All night long he heard a sound like the cocking of a pistol,' remembers Wolfgang Wendler, the German engineer who supervised the project. Wendler was summoned by angry officials to find out what was wrong. He discovered a faulty thermostat."
That's the kind of life he led - literally jumping at shadows, because there was no one he could fully trust. I have to assume Genghis Khan had similar issues. Perhaps there are a few individuals for whom that would be worth the trade, but I wonder if those dictators ever regretted the situations they'd locked themselves into.
No, any more than the existence of checkers, or even variant rules of chess, means that some chess strategies are objectively better than others. I've already said that what's moral for intelligent aliens might not match what's moral for humans. The existence of aberrant humans with really strange desires wouldn't be a "defeater", automatically incompatible with the idea that what we call "morals" are actually well-founded and time-tested strategies that lead, in at least the vast majority of cases, to "human flourishing" or "human happiness".
...if these circumstances should arise (which they certainly could)...
Really? How exactly does Lewis know so much about this "unconscious" "recent immigrant", anyway? Is he clairvoyant or telepathic?
Humans in the real world have to operate on limited information and ambiguous circumstances. The moral "edge case" stories are, universally, highly contrived - precisely to avoid those ambiguities. It's true that the results in such circumstances can be counterintuitive, but that's not automatically a "defeater". Check out the quite counterintutive behavior in this video:
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/10/say_chowdah_frenchie.php
Do we assume natural law's been violated there? No, we know that the situation has been highly contrived to produce behavior radically different from the 'ordinary' cases we see in the day-to-day world. You can bet your life you'll never see that come up by accident.
Another mathematical analogy: Confirming, for certain, that a number is prime takes a lot of computational work. There are simpler, faster heuristics or 'rules of thumb' that you can use, but they have a small chance of coming up with 'false positives', saying a number is prime when it isn't.
I'd say the scheme I'm proposing works well, but sometimes takes more skull sweat. You have to think carefully about the situations. Traditional theist schemes tend to be easier to apply, and both schemes agree the vast majority of the time. But theist schemes risk false positives, like the "Moral Monster" issue we've been discussing.
Still... would you leave him alone with your daughter?
I went to Catholic high school. In their doctrine at least, sin doesn't consist in, say, feeling sexually attracted to a woman not your wife. The sin comes in dwelling on it, feeding it, fantasizing about it... because that can easily lead to action.
Dodgson apparently had desires he knew he could never act upon and wished to be rid of. But were those desires and thoughts evil in themselves? Was he morally culpable for having them? To the extent he had no choice about them... no, I'd say he wasn't. He was morally culpable for what he did with those desires. And apparently he displayed a lot more fortitude than quite a few other members of the clergy...
That may not "fly" for you, but that doesn't trouble me, I'm afraid. It seems consistent, accounts for how people seem to actually reason about morality, and leads in practice to the same results.
What is an edge case?
I haven't been arguing that objective moral laws are God-given. As I've made clear, that is no part of my basic argument against naturalism.
As for definitions, an objective fact is one which is true irrespective of whether any individual thinks it true, so your attempt to redefine objective doesn't work. Oh sure, you could try to increase the plausibility of naturalism by calling objective facts whatever the majority of people in a given society agree is true but that has two problems. First, it is a disingenuous use of the word objective. And second, it would force you to say that it was an objective fact that for a period in Germany (e.g. 1939-1945) it was an objective fact that killing Jews for being Jews was good because a majority of people believed it to be so.
And sadly, not everyone abhors baby killing. As I have shown in my critique of game morality, there is no remotely plausible account of the immorality of baby torture/killing/cannibalism from naturally rooted accounts of morality.
If you have such an account please share it with us benighted country rubes who still think that it is objectively wrong to torture, kill and cannibalize infants.
That is false. We agree that there are behaviors, like torturing babies, that everyone abhors. You have done nothing to build a case that these edge case provide evidence for objective universal god-given moral laws.
You also attempt to set up a false dichotomy between (1) Naturalism is true and (2) It is objectively wrong to torture infant. One trivially obvious way to define define “objective” as being something that everyone agrees to.
Good you know you're still tunin' in.
You don't understand how moral objectivism defeats naturalism? Well then, let's begin there. We first need a definition of naturalism. Alas, that depends on which self-described naturalist you ask. (This ain't my view of the world.) But here is a first try. (Feel free to amend it to suit your own view):
Naturalism: "the view that only matter and energy and things supervenient upon matter and energy exist."
Moral objectivism says that this is false because moral laws are neither explicable in terms of matter and energy nor in terms of anything supervenient upon matter and energy (e.g. mental thoughts or social reality). Thus, if one admits to the existence of non-physical and non-mental objective laws which are themselves grounded in objective virtues (a view that extends in moral philosophy back to Plato and Aristotle), then one has by definition rejected naturalism.
You then grumble: "You claim that you "have been arguing that morality is objective" but you have not actually put forward any such argument. You have merely asserted over and over again that morality or certain moral claims are 'absolutely true' or 'absolute fact' without support."
Not true. I have pointed out statements like "torturing, dismembering and eating babies merely because a person wants to is always wrong" is always true. Its truth depends neither on matter and energy nor on anything supervenient upon matter and energy (as in human thoughts or social constructions). The alien Nazi thought experiment was one way of bringing out this point.
These are OBJECTIVE FACTS. Once you concede that the desire to torture, dismember and eat babies is always wrong such that this is a fact which transcends human evolutionary history (alien Nazis again), then you will have to reject naturalism.
"you only select moral claims that fall into extreme cases"
Yeah, of course, that's the point. We need to identify just one moral fact which is indisputably not traceable to matter/energy or that which supervenes upon matter and energy to refute naturalism.
"In the real world, things are hardly ever so clear-cut and certain as they are in the story about 'Lewis'."
Ahh, but note your wording. "Hardly ever" means that it may be rare that circumstances align in the way I describe. Perhaps, perhaps not. (I am unsure how to discern the probabilities here.) But the key is surely this: you cannot come out and say that Lewis is wrong to murder. Indeed, if these circumstances should arise (which they certainly could), you'd have to say that Lewis is right to kill the old scrooge. And that consequence tells against your moral theory.
You claim that you "have been arguing that morality is objective" but you have not actually put forward any such argument. You have merely asserted over and over again that morality or certain moral claims are 'absolutely true' or 'absolute fact' without support. Sorry, but that doesn't fly.
I also pointed out in an earlier comment that you only select moral claims that fall into extreme cases for which there appears to be near universal agreement - and extrapolate from these an absolute moral law. But surely the totality of moral claims fall along a spectrum of consensus, from baby torture and genocide more or less universally agreed to be wrong to abortion for which there is a large split to issues like pornography and genetic engineering for which there is much disagreement. Furthermore, anybody can easily see that this spectrum has an historical trajectory and is not static.
And this seems to me quite explicable in natural (ie, biological, evolutionary, social, logical) terms.
Here's a quick reply to your first response before I head home for the day:
Now I am a big zombie fan I confess, although I prefer the Geprge Romero kind. I am familiar with the philosophy of mind zombie too and I have never accepted the physicalist attempts to argue that such creatures are impossible. I'll leave it to the other readers to follow your link and decide for themselves.
But whatever one thinks of mind-zombies, the real nub here concerns the moral monster. You don't present an argument here but rather just assert that motivations and behaviors affect actions. Fine, but I'm not talking about either here, I'm talking about fantasies. It is perfectly conceivable to me that there could be a fellow (let's call him Mortimer) who fantasizes about killing and eating babies and manages to constrain these impulses all his life.
I mean what are you asking us to believe Sorceror? That it is incoherent that a person could have a certain set of wishes, thoughts, desires, fantasies, and yet never act on them? What could possibly convince you of that conclusion other than the ad hoc desire to prop up an otherwise implausible analysis of morality.
One final point: we object to the man entertaining a fantasy of killing, dismembering and eating an infant not simply because there is a worrisome probability that he might act on the fantasy in the future, but ALSO because it is an evil thought IN ITSELF. And this, your moral analysis, will not apply. On the game view you offer, such a thought is MORALLY NEUTRAL and it is only when it contributes to the possibility of happiness-upsetting external action that it becomes a problem.
Sorry, that just won't fly.
"By analysing the top-scoring strategies, Axelrod stated several conditions necessary for a strategy to be successful.
Nice: The most important condition is that the strategy must be "nice"... a purely selfish strategy will not "cheat" on its opponent, for purely utilitarian reasons first.
Retaliating: However, Axelrod contended, the successful strategy must not be a blind optimist. It must sometimes retaliate...
Forgiving: Successful strategies must also be forgiving. Though players will retaliate, they will once again fall back to cooperating if the opponent does not continue to defect.
Non-envious: The last quality is being non-envious, that is not striving to score more than the opponent...
Therefore, Axelrod reached the oxymoronic-sounding conclusion that selfish individuals for their own selfish good will tend to be nice and forgiving and non-envious."
Interestingly, life, like the iterated prisoner's dilemma, is not a "zero-sum game"...
See here for some problems with this idea: http://themindi.blogspot.com/2007/02/chapter-23-unfortunate-dualist.html
I'd say the "Moral Monster" is a similarly incoherent idea. The reason we worry about motivations and intentions is because they affect actions. If you assume ill motives but that they somehow will not ever, under any circumstances, affect behavior... if they pose no risk to anyone else... then in what sense do they matter at all?
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Randal Rauser is associate professor of historical theology at Taylor Seminary, Edmonton, Canada and was granted Taylor's first annual teaching award for Outstanding Service to Students in 2005.
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