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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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You are not honoring then (the patron saints) Chris you are worshipping them!
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Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' and Religious Liberty Can't Coexist
2Star »Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:35 pm
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ifeelfine, if you did not have family members that were homosexual and in a committed relationship would you be as supportive of homosexuals, their sexual behavior, and their desire to be allowed to marry?
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Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' and Religious Liberty Can't Coexist
2Star »Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:18 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 3
ifeelfine72, I have never seen a person who claims to be a Christian attack the Word of God as much as you do.
You say that God got it wrong in how He created the heavens and the Earth. You say He is wrong because He does not speak out against slavery. You say He is wrong in calling homosexuality a sin. You say God is wrong when He says the flood in Noah's day was global.
What in the Bible do you agree with? -
>>>Yes, these Saints didn't die for my sins, but they did die for the Faith<<<
I get the impression Chris that Jesus dying for you means less to you than what some man has done for you in the past. -
msnchris70
>>>God works through his Saints to bring others to the saving grace of Christ.
These Saints should be honored, because it reminds us that God can use regular every day people like a fisherman or a Tax collector and with God's grace they can accomplish amazing things in Christ. These Saints brought the Good news to all of us.<<<
You have helped many people in the Catholic faith like IHS. Does this mean that IHS and others should make a statute of you, bow down to kiss it, to give you honor for helping them in their faith? -
Chris
The Apostle John was shown the New Jersulaem by an angel. His response was to fall down and worship the angel for the great things he heard and saw. However, the angel said
Revelation 22:8-9
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
The patron saints should be treated no differently. They are one of us. Don't worship them, worship God.
To disobey this teaching is to disobey God. -
Revelation 5:9-14
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. -
msnchris
According to the Word of God which is blessed forever: The only one who is worthy to receive honor is the Lord Jesus Christ who is the creator of all things and is the one who died for our sins and rose from the dead to redeemed us from sin.
Revelation 4:11 - "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
Revelation 5:12 - "Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing." -
Who is greater Chris, Peter or Jesus Christ, the One who sanctified him?
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Study: Americans Spending More Time Online, Less Time With Family
2Star »Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:26 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
There are many married men that post on CP that spend a lot of time, especially in the evening, at CP. What do your wife and children do during your posting time? What do they think about your love for posting?
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Cheisa
>>> Born again means accepting Jesus Christ and Catholics certainly fit the bill.<<<
No, catholics do not fit the bill according to John 1:12-13. A child born into a Catholic family does not become a child of God or born-again when his/her parents have the child baptized as an infant (will of man) nor does he/she become born-again when he/she goes through confirmation giving mental assent to the teachings and practices of the RCC at a certain age in life (will of the flesh).
A person can only become born-again when God decides it is time to deal with you you about your need for the Savior. He will convict your heart that you are a sinner in need of a Savior and that Savior is Jesus Christ. If you respond to that conviction from your heart through prayer by confessing to God that you are a sinner, accepting what Jesus did for you, and inviting Him into your heart to be your Savior and Lord, then you will become born-again, a new creature in Christ Jesus, and you will be given a heart created in true holiness and righteousnes.
If this has not happened for you then you are not saved.
John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. -
steveh20
>>>And what if that person was unable to have a say in whether they where baptized? what is the difference between that, and baptism by the sword so beloved of the church in the middle ages?<<<
When you say, "And what if that person was unable to have a say in whether they where baptized?" I asume you mean infantile baptism where the parent(s) decide for the child that he/she will become born-again/saved/a child of God.
You ask, "What is the difference between infantile baptism and baptism by the sword?" Much in that a child has no ability to render a decision for baptism whereas a person threatened with the lost of his life if he doesn't get baptised has the ability to decide and makes that decision in order to save his earthly life.
The results of the two are the same however. Neither one is saved/born-again/a child of God. -
The Word of God establishes what truth is. The Word of God in John 1:12-13 tells us that we can only become a child of God (become born-again) by the will of God. There is no other way.
John 1:12-13
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
We see from this verse that a person cannot become a child of God or be born again by
1) being born into a Christian family (of blood)
2) by deciding on his own to be saved without God convicting his heart of his need for salvation (will of the flesh)
oo examples:
-- a non-believer marries a believer and decides to get saved for family unity
-- person affirms a belief that was bestowed on him through infantile baptism
-- person decides for Jesus because that is what is expected of him
3) parents deciding for them (will of man)
oo example - infantile baptism
A person becomes a child of God by being born-again by the Spirit of God when God decides (will of God).
When God decides it is time for you to make a decision for Jesus He will move on you by drawing you to Jesus, He will convict your heart of your need for the Savior and He will grant you grace to receive Jesus as Savior and Lord. If you respond to the conviction by praying and receiving Jesus into your heart as your Savior and Lord then you will become born-again or a child of God. Your sins will be forgiven and you will be made a new creature in Christ Jesus. -
>>>Yes, kissing the foot of Peter statue is a stupid practice...It is regular people who want to do it to show affection and honor of a great saint.<<<
It is not a stupid practice msnchris70, it is a sinful practice.
Affection, honor, reverance, loyalty, worship, adoration, belongs to the Lord Jesus Christ who died for your sins and rose from the dead so that you could have forgivness of sin and eternal life if you believe from your heart that He died for you, rose from the dead, and from your heart invite Him in to the be the Savior and Lord of your life.
Peter and all the other patron saints of the RCC don't deserve any affection or honor because they did not die for your sins and rise from the dead so you could have forgiveness of sin and eternal life. -
msnchris:
>>> "Say no to Drugs and living in a fantasy world, and do some history homework. A library would be a good start."<<<
Why don't you say "No" to the what the RCC teaches and practices and get the Word of God out and study to show yourself approved of God, rightly dividing the Word of Truth?
The Word of God establishes what truth is (John 17:17). You don't need extra biblical teachings; if anything those teachings will be inundated with error.. All you need is the Holy Ghost. Jesus promised the disciples that the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost would teach them all things, and guide them into all truth (John 14:26, 16:13). These promises are for believers today as well. Don't give me this baloney that they don't apply to us as well. The Apostle John disagrees with you (1 John 2:27).
Ask God in prayer to help you understand the Word of God. He will answer.
John 14:26 - "But the Comforter, which is the HOLY GHOST, whom the Father will send in my name, he SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 16:13 - "Howbeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, is come, he WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
1 John 2:27 - "But the anointing (Holy Ghost) which ye have received of him abideth in you, and YE NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACH YOU: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
Holy Bible: Mosaic
On our own we are little more than bits of stone and glass. Together we are the Body of Christ. Holy Bible: Mosaic is an invitation to experience Christ in His Word and in the responses of his people. Each week, as you reflect on guided Scripture readings aligned with the church seasons, you will receive a wealth of insight from historical and contemporary writings.
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