DP - Why didn't they fire the manager who let it go on? That’s ridiculous, why would they do that? If you got caught going 70 in a 55 zone for a year, would you insist the State Patrol fire the trooper that nailed you… I mean … ticketed you? No. DP – “It wasn't until someone complained about the term "God" that they acted. I find it offensive for them to allow employees t...more

DP - Why didn't they fire the manager who let it go on?

That’s ridiculous, why would they do that? If you got caught going 70 in a 55 zone for a year, would you insist the State Patrol fire the trooper that nailed you… I mean … ticketed you? No.

DP – “It wasn't until someone complained about the term "God" that they acted. I find it offensive for them to allow employees to wear pro-gay buttons yet they haven't fired anyone for that. It's just another case of "tolerance"....”

Managers have a world of problems all their own, they can’t notice everything, especially if there are not any other problems with a particular employee. He probably didn’t notice it until someone said something about the button.
I’d love to see proof of Home Depot employees wearing ‘pro-gay’ buttons on their uniforms AT work. I have seen several people in parades that were dressed up as ‘Depot’ employees, but I doubt they were actual employees.less

DP - I am familiar with the story. It was one of the first stories, maybe the first, I commented about on CP. Where/when did Home Depot say it was offensive? They let him wear it for a year? Great, he got away with violating the company dress code for a year and was not penalized for it. They offered to let him wear other buttons that supported the troops, but he declined. Companies, esp...more

DP - I am familiar with the story. It was one of the first stories, maybe the first, I commented about on CP. Where/when did Home Depot say it was offensive?

They let him wear it for a year? Great, he got away with violating the company dress code for a year and was not penalized for it. They offered to let him wear other buttons that supported the troops, but he declined.

Companies, especially of that size, have a right and a duty to shareholders to develop and maintain dress codes for their employees.less

GsL - If they [ACP] are so proud of their uber-conservative, anti-gay froth, why don't they stand up and clearly, honestly differentiate themselves publicly? Why do they instead ride deceptively on the coattails of the AAP?... They should do precisely that, but we all know that will never happen. BTW, I had to google Zastaval Koral to find out what that means. It's better known ...more

GsL - If they [ACP] are so proud of their uber-conservative, anti-gay froth, why don't they stand up and clearly, honestly differentiate themselves publicly? Why do they instead ride deceptively on the coattails of the AAP?...

They should do precisely that, but we all know that will never happen.


BTW, I had to google Zastaval Koral to find out what that means. It's better known to American auto enthusiasts as the Yugo.less

steve - Irony is that they most likely made it for a pittance of wages in poor conditions in the first place OUCH! ... Regrettably if anyone bothered to trace down everything here, I suspect you would be proven correct..

DP - Anyone remember the guy that got fired for wearing a "In God We Trust" button in honor of his brother in one of the war zones? They said that was offensive. So, I wouldn't want to offend Home Depot by giving them money that says "In God We Trust" on it.... Exactly when/where did Home Depot say it was offensive?

"But as millions of Americans anticipate watching the Super Bowl game, taking place tonight in North Texas, people in Africa and Latin America are anticipating the game's end. That's because the losing team's pre-printed championship clothing will be donated to Zambia, Armenia, Nicaragua and Romania. And for a lot of the recipients, this would be their first time having brand new clothing, accor...more

"But as millions of Americans anticipate watching the Super Bowl game, taking place tonight in North Texas, people in Africa and Latin America are anticipating the game's end.
That's because the losing team's pre-printed championship clothing will be donated to Zambia, Armenia, Nicaragua and Romania.
And for a lot of the recipients, this would be their first time having brand new clothing, according to David Krichavsky, NFL Director of Community Affairs."

You can say the same thing about a lot of people in the US.less

ldfrmc - To then quote a 2007 Pew Poll of the public on marriage - a 4 years old poll - as indicative of anything is just pathetic. Agreed. But I do wish she would have given the full name of that poll so we could look at it. I'd like to know if that "majority" is 50.001% or 75%. My guess is it's closer to the 50.001%..... But that's just a guess since I was never able to locate i...more

ldfrmc - To then quote a 2007 Pew Poll of the public on marriage - a 4 years old poll - as indicative of anything is just pathetic.

Agreed. But I do wish she would have given the full name of that poll so we could look at it. I'd like to know if that "majority" is 50.001% or 75%. My guess is it's closer to the 50.001%..... But that's just a guess since I was never able to locate it..less

Just in case anyone is interested in learning a little more about that young man, he and his family appeared on "The Last Word With Lawrence O'Donnell " ...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHYpAEK9DCc

AB - I didn't say I don't understand why. There are some deep underlying issues that keep a person from being attracted to the opposite sex I'm sure. Right..... I guess that's why the APA has consistently said "..the research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality.."...more

AB - I didn't say I don't understand why. There are some deep underlying issues that keep a person from being attracted to the opposite sex I'm sure.

Right..... I guess that's why the APA has consistently said "..the research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality.." - Report of the American Psychological Association Task Force on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation (2009)less

GsL - When I challenged him to cite a source, he eventually cited an article in Time magazine dated 6/7/10. Folks, here is that article: I remember believer talking about that article in one of the other threads, but I didn't search for it. You are right, there is NOTHING about gay male couples being "not as good" as straight parents. The only mention of gay males couples is the ve...more

GsL - When I challenged him to cite a source, he eventually cited an article in Time magazine dated 6/7/10. Folks, here is that article:

I remember believer talking about that article in one of the other threads, but I didn't search for it. You are right, there is NOTHING about gay male couples being "not as good" as straight parents.

The only mention of gay males couples is the very last sentence: "She is also hoping to collect more data on gay-father households; gay fatherhood is less common than lesbian motherhood because of the high costs of surrogacy or adoption that gay couples face in order to start a family."less

Do you mean the Jesusbot speaking in the opposition video? He is merely repeating what has been programmed into him, probably since he was in diapers. I can't imagine what he will be like 10 or 20 years from now.... Zach’s video is so much more effective for 2 reasons. One is because of the differences in the personalities of the speakers, that's true, but mainly because Zach is sharing a...more

Do you mean the Jesusbot speaking in the opposition video? He is merely repeating what has been programmed into him, probably since he was in diapers. I can't imagine what he will be like 10 or 20 years from now....

Zach’s video is so much more effective for 2 reasons. One is because of the differences in the personalities of the speakers, that's true, but mainly because Zach is sharing a personal story about his family.less

bel - RU serious? First you get people to trust you, to stop looking for verification, then you lie to them. Remember the NOM ad? 5 seconds into the ad they claimed Walker ruled all heterosexual marriages were unconstitutional! As absurd as that is, some people believed them! They trust NOM, that's all they need to know. I remember one show in 09 where Rush was talking about the healt...more

bel - RU serious? First you get people to trust you, to stop looking for verification, then you lie to them.

Remember the NOM ad? 5 seconds into the ad they claimed Walker ruled all heterosexual marriages were unconstitutional! As absurd as that is, some people believed them! They trust NOM, that's all they need to know.

I remember one show in 09 where Rush was talking about the health care reform bill. He made the statement that "Obama wants to put your medical records on Google, he wants everybody to be able to look at them"! Again, a total fabrication, a flat-out lie. But people believe Rush, that's all they need to know.less

bel - First you get people to trust you, then you take advantage of their trust - meaning they stop looking for verification in everything you tell them.... Rush Limbaugh, NOM, .........

SBellam - Your assertion certainly weren't shared in the Proposition 8 appeal case recently in California. In court there's a little legal matter called PERJURY..... I suspect that might have had something to do with those and similar claims not being made in court....

bel - I didn't say they want people to be confused with the policies and views of the AAP. They want people to be confused and think they are the larger well established and respected group.

Thanks Str8!... :)

bel - "ad, please reverse the two organizations in my last post since I do tend to think faster than I type and when it comes to using abbreviations that can cause problems such as this. But most articles I've read do not abbreviate and probably to ensure there is no confusion." That's the problem... ACPed is more than happy to benefit from people getting confused over which group is which.......more

bel - "ad, please reverse the two organizations in my last post since I do tend to think faster than I type and when it comes to using abbreviations that can cause problems such as this. But most articles I've read do not abbreviate and probably to ensure there is no confusion."

That's the problem... ACPed is more than happy to benefit from people getting confused over which group is which.... Abbreviated or not, when people hear 'American' and 'pediatrics' or 'pediatricians' they automatically think of the group their mothers and grandmothers trusted... the AAPless

bel – “eis, considering the AAP has been around since 1930 and the AAP only since 2002 it is totally reasonable that the former group would have far more members than the newer group. But once again the members of the AAP hold most if not all of the same credentials and positions as those in the ACP. And why do I sense you would not trust any statements they made even if they had 100,000 membe...more

bel – “eis, considering the AAP has been around since 1930 and the AAP only since 2002 it is totally reasonable that the former group would have far more members than the newer group. But once again the members of the AAP hold most if not all of the same credentials and positions as those in the ACP. And why do I sense you would not trust any statements they made even if they had 100,000 members?”

bel – You just gave a perfect example of what the ACPed is hoping for. They want people to confuse them with the AAP… YOU can’t even keep them straight here! Opps, I meant to say 'correctly identified'…less

bel - gl, they left the AAP and formed the ACP over a difference in opinion with regards to the make up of the family and they take a stronger abstinence stand than the AAP. ... Oh? And what was that 'difference in opinion' concerning?

Well... it's on the video.. but here it is.. "Opposition to Civil Marriage, Iowa House Public Hearing" Both videos were loaded by the same YouTube account holder.