Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

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Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:24 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

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All Christians are ignorant Christians to start with. And even the most learned, compared to all knowing all of God, are all still VERY ignorant. We all need to grow in our relationship with God, and Hes happy when we just put one foot in front of the other in the right direction.

Freespirit. All ways to God are not correct, because they contradict each other. You can choose NO way, or agnosticism, but one way will emerge as Truth for those who want to find it.

Johnzon. First THANK YOU for being a part of this forum. Just like prosciencezz, you make people think, and we certainly need more of that.
HISTORY LESSON for some clarity, and very simplified too.
Christianity and Islam are so far apart in their beliefs, besides ONE God, that it isnt even like apples to oranges, its more like apples to meatloaf.
ID4234 You are right on. Mohammed went to the Jews of his day and said Im just like you and a brand new prophet. When they rejected him, he went to the Christians and said Im just like you and a brand new prophet. When THEY rejected him, he got angry and said to hell with you all, Ill form my own sect from Abraham and kill you all for rejecting me the arab moon god Allah. That is the thrust of the Koran. If you read it, and I have, then there ARE mentions of Abraham, Moses, and even Jesus but Mohammeds accounts they dont line up with the biblical account of these patriarchs.

If you read Jesus account in the bible, try the book of JOHN Johnzon, Jesus NEVER threatens people into heaven. NEVER. He hopes youll choose His FREE offer of salvation if you believe that He paid for your wrongdoing. And thats it. There IS hell, but most religions have a bad place you go if you mess up. Most of them are base on works, on being good enough, including Islam. You know deep inside that no one can be good enough. No one can. BIG DIFFERENCE. Only Christianity offers a guaranteed free pass if you believe Jesus paid for your sins. No other religion is so loving and generous as Gods free offer.

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

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Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Msnchris70
All Christians are ignorant Christians to start with. And even the most learned, compared to all knowing all of God, we are all still VERY ignorant.

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

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Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Yes I am a Jew,
The Koran has an ongoing mandate to conquer the earth for Allah. Jesus does not have the same mandate, so this is a very definative point about all religions not being equal. Jesus desires that all would come to Him for eternal life. And far from being an exclusive club, eternal life in Christ is open to ALL. But the point of this article speaks to Jesus exclusivity, and although He IS the only Way, everyone can come.

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

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Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

...Gods best for you, and that you will be blessed because of it.

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

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Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

(fourth times a charm. Stupid ASCII)

Thank God Prosciencezz is smart. Makes believers on both sides keep sharp. If you dont know what you believe, Prosciencezz will make you WANT to know it.

Pro said he is accountable to his neighbors? WHY? If theres no ultimate Authority, who cares? Your morality is what you make it, so have at it (as long as you dont get caught by the stupid American laws that are largely based on Judeo Christian values).

And you have a reputation to protect? What does that REALLY mean? And to survive in this world a person has to be trusted? Gangsters have a reputation to protect too, and it might include killing some unsuspecting person to prove they can be trusted to their gang. I dont think reputation is an accurate gauge of moral responsibility either, because it is based on whatever an individual thinks is useful to them.

Atheism is seen as totally liberating. Being able to think, value, and believe in whatever way you want. But what if there WERE only ONE way? I can put grape juice in my gas tank, but that wont make my car go. In fact, it might wreck the engine. Fortunately, God is the ultimate mechanic. And He loves to do the fixing, if we will bring ourselves to him. And He knows how to make life really run good.

I love atheists in the same way Jesus loved me before I said yes to his free offer of eternal life. Jesus said that he didnt come into the world to condemn the world, but so the world through Him might be saved. Jesus doesnt threaten torture. BIG POINT I think the offer of life with the Holy Spirit NOW is more appealing than the possibility of hell. But both are valid. Those who decry how mean or exclusive God is forget the simple way that He has made to get right with Him and gain life. There IS only one way, yet God has made it simple to have eternal life.

Johnzon said that you dont have to believe in God to be good. There are plenty of non-believers out there that are good by most standards, but they are not reading the Owners Manual (for optimum operation), they have probably taken cues from the Judeo Christian culture around them, and so far, that has worked.

And Pro says, The Magic Fairy of the Bible is a bloodthirsty savage who belongs in prison. The gospels (the accounts of Jesus life) dont look like that at all. Im not discounting the OT wars (they happened then, they happen now), but bloodlust is not an ongoing mandate of Jesus (and incidentally, it IS an ongoing mandate of Islam, and yes, Ive read the Koran). Nothing Jesus did or said indicates a hateful warlike demeanor. Start with the book of John, and you might have a different perspective on the bible.

Im going to pray for you, Pro. And I dont wish you any ill at all, or even think atheists are crazy. As a matter of fact, Im going to pray that God’s best for you, and that you will be blessed because of it.

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Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thank God Prosciencezz is smart. Makes believers on both sides keep sharp. If you dont know what you believe, Prosciencezz will make you WANT to know it.

Pro said he is accountable to his neighbors? WHY? If theres no ultimate Authority, who cares? Your morality is what you make it, so have at it (as long as you dont get caught by the stupid American laws that are largely based on Judeo Christian values).

And you have a reputation to protect? What does that REALLY mean? And to survive in this world a person has to be trusted? Gangsters have a reputation to protect too, and it might include killing some unsuspecting person to prove they can be trusted to their gang. I dont think reputation is an accurate gauge of moral responsibility either, because it is based on whatever an individual thinks is useful to them.

Atheism is seen as totally liberating. Being able to think, value, and believe in whatever way you want. But what if there WERE only ONE way? I can put grape juice in my gas tank, but that wont make my car go. In fact, it might wreck the engine. Fortunately, God is the ultimate mechanic. And He loves to do the fixing, if we will bring ourselves to him. And He knows how to make life really run good.

I love atheists in the same way Jesus loved me before I said yes to his free offer of eternal life. Jesus said that he didnt come into the world to condemn the world, but so the world – through Him – might be saved. Jesus doesnt threaten torture. BIG POINT I think the offer of life with the Holy Spirit – NOW – is more appealing than the possibility of hell. But both are valid. Those who decry how mean or exclusive God is forget the simple way that He has made to get right with Him and gain life. There IS only one way, yet God has made it simple to have eternal life.

Johnzon said that you dont have to believe in God to be good. There are plenty of non-believers out there that are good by most standards, but they are not reading the Owners Manual (for optimum operation), they have probably taken cues from the Judeo Christian culture around them, and so far, that has worked.

And Pro says, The Magic Fairy of the Bible is a bloodthirsty savage who belongs in prison. The gospels (the accounts of Jesus life) dont look like that at all. Im not discounting the OT wars (they happened then, they happen now), but bloodlust is not an ongoing mandate of Jesus (and incidentally, it IS an ongoing mandate of Islam, and yes, Ive read the Koran). Nothing Jesus did or said indicates a hateful warlike demeanor. Start with the book of John, and you might have a different perspective on the bible.

Im going to pray for you, Pro. And I dont wish you any ill at all, or even think atheists are crazy. As a matter of fact, Im going to pray that God’s best for you, and that you will be blessed because of it.

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

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Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thank God Prosciencezz is smart. Makes believers on both sides keep sharp. If you dont know what you believe, Prosciencezz will make you WANT to know it.

Pro said he is accountable to his neighbors? WHY? If there’s no ultimate Authority, who cares? Your morality is what you make it, so have at it (as long as you dont get caught by the stupid American laws that are largely based on Judeo-Christian values).

And you have a reputation to protect? What does that REALLY mean? And “to survive in this world a person has to be trusted.” Gangsters have a reputation to protect too, and it might include killing some unsuspecting person to prove they can be “trusted” to their gang. I dont think “reputation” is an accurate gauge of moral responsibility either, because it is based on whatever an individual thinks is useful to them.

Atheism is seen as totally liberating: being able to think, value, and believe in whatever way you want. But what if there WERE only “one way?” I can put grape juice in my gas tank, but that won’t make my car go. In fact, it might wreck the engine. Fortunately, God’s the ultimate mechanic. And He loves to do the fixing, if we will bring ourselves to him. And He knows how to make life really run good.

I love atheists in the same way Jesus loved me before I said “yes” to his free offer of eternal life. Jesus said that he didn’t come into the world to condemn the world, but so the world – through Him – might be saved. Jesus doesnt threaten torture. BIG POINT: I think the offer of life with the Holy Spirit – NOW – is more appealing than the possibility of hell. But both are valid. Those who decry how “mean” or “exclusive” God is forget the simple way that He has made to get right with Him and gain life. There IS only one way, yet God has made it simple to have eternal life.

Johnzon said that you dont have to believe in God to be good. There are plenty of non-believers out there that are “good” by most standards, but they are not reading the Owners Manual (for optimum operation), they have probably taken cues from the Judeo-Christian culture around them, and so far, that has worked.

And Pro says, The Magic Fairy of the Bible is a bloodthirsty savage who belongs in prison. The gospels (the accounts of Jesus life) dont look like that at all. Im not discounting the OT wars (they happened then, they happen now), but bloodlust is not an ongoing mandate of Jesus (and incidentally, it IS an ongoing mandate of Islam, and yes, Ive read the Koran). Nothing Jesus did or said indicates a hateful warlike demeanor. Start with the book of John, and you might have a different perspective on the bible.

Im going to pray for you, Pro. And I dont wish you any ill at all, or even think atheists are crazy. As a matter of fact, Im going to pray that God’s best for you, and that you will be blessed because of it.

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

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Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thank God Prosciencezz is smart. Makes believers on both sides keep sharp. If you don’t know what you believe, Prosciencezz will make you WANT to know it.

Pro said he is accountable to his neighbors? WHY? If there’s no ultimate Authority, who cares? Your morality is what you make it, so have at it (as long as you don’t get caught by the stupid American laws that are largely based on Judeo-Christian values).

And you have a reputation to protect? What does that REALLY mean? And “to survive in this world a person has to be trusted.” Gangsters have a reputation to protect too, and it might include killing some unsuspecting person to prove they can be “trusted” to their gang. I don’t think “reputation” is an accurate gauge of moral responsibility either, because it is based on whatever an individual thinks is useful to them.

Atheism is seen as totally liberating: being able to think, value, and believe in whatever way you want. But what if there WERE only “one way?” I can put grape juice in my gas tank, but that won’t make my car go. In fact, it might wreck the engine. Fortunately, God’s the ultimate mechanic. And He loves to do the fixing, if we’ll bring ourselves to him. And He knows how to make life really run good.

I love atheists in the same way Jesus loved me before I said “yes” to his free offer of eternal life. Jesus said that he didn’t come into the world to condemn the world, but so the world – through Him – might be saved. Jesus doesn’t threaten torture. BIG POINT: I think the offer of life with the Holy Spirit – NOW – is more appealing than the possibility of hell. But both are valid. Those who decry how “mean” or “exclusive” God is forget the simple way that He has made to get right with Him and gain life. There IS only one way, yet God has made it simple to have eternal life.

Johnzon said that you don’t have to believe in God to be good. There are plenty of non-believers out there that are “good” by most standards, but they are not reading the Owners Manual (for optimum operation), they have probably taken cues from the Judeo-Christian culture around them, and so far, that has worked.

And Pro says, “The Magic Fairy of the Bible is a bloodthirsty savage who belongs in prison.” The gospels (the accounts of Jesus’ life) don’t look like that at all. I’m not discounting the OT wars (they happened then, they happen now), but bloodlust is not an ongoing mandate of Jesus (and incidentally, it IS an ongoing mandate of Islam, and yes, I’ve read the Koran). Nothing Jesus did or said indicates a hateful warlike demeanor. Start with the book of John, and you might have a different perspective on the bible.

I’m going to pray for you, Pro. And I don’t wish you any ill at all, or even think atheists are crazy. As a matter of fact, I’m going to pray that God’s best for you, and that you will be blessed because of it.