Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:52 pm tigercat, al has a bad problem of saying that America is neither a Christian nation or founded on Judeo-Christian principles. But then he goes on to blame Christians for all the atrocities that our government was responsible for such as slavery, wiping out the Native Americans, and the Vietnam War even though we are not a Christian nation or founded on Judeao-Christian principles
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In Response: Thats right, the christians are the people responsible for the problems, the country didn't have to be founded on their principles for them to come in and commit the acts.

You have such a difficult time with reality don't you believer. You can't stand it that your ilk is responsible for wars, killing od native Americans, wiping out scores of others throughout the world and keeping equality form LGBT people, If you kind wasn't doing it wouldn't be happening or have happened.

Remember reality believer not the nonsense fantasy of your beliefs. Start working on the easter challenge since you can't refute the essay about jesus and got so frustrated you flagged my posts over it.

That all you can do isn't it, childish acts of retaliation when you lose every time. So predictable, so pathetic, such a child you are believer!

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Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:35 pm al, Jon Stewart and Huffington Post, now those are two reliable news sources, NOT!!!
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In Response: Whats the matter now, did little John Stewart expose your hero Beck for making up a story again. Stewart proved that Beck used footage from a completely different day and event and lied about it to help the measly few thousand that showed for Bachman and the rest of fascists in Congress.

You just can't stand the fact that your side has to cheat to even put up this nonsense, that isn't news its nonsense.

Just like you when you are asked to prove something you never do, all you do it flag posts out of frustration.

Hows the easter challenge going: http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=stone
Try it you can't do it and follow the rules and all you have to do is use all the points and put them in chronological order.

You can't even do that. I saw your sites, and the guy claims the writers weren't obligated to tell everything,. It is supposed to be the full account so how is they can leave important things out of the most important thing in your whole ideology, what a joke
you are. The most important part of your entire religion and the guy you rely upon says it isn't important to relate the whole truth of it.

Answer: All of the above. The writers were not obliged to mention every person present.
http://www.peterballard.org/easter_answers.html

LOL, this is too much to keep from laughing at.
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Time to Separate Church and Sports?

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

I see that the frustration of both mathetes and believer losing so badly has caused them to resort to flagging post again.

LOL

TOO FUNNY

TFR

Time to Separate Church and Sports?

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Alockslee »Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:18 pm
Alockslee »Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:14 pm believer » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:50 am ------------------------------------------
Alockslee » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:00 am
Leave No Stone Unturned An Easter Challenge For Christians I HAVE AN EASTER challenge for Christians. My challenge is simply this: tell me what happened on Easter. I am not asking for proof. My straightforward request is merely that Christians tell me exactly what happened on the day that their most important doctrine was born. Believers should eagerly take up this challenge, since without the resurrection, there is no Christianity. Paul wrote, "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not." (I Corinthians 15:14-15) The conditions of the challenge are simple and reasonable. In each of the four Gospels, begin at Easter morning and read to the end of the book: Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, and John 20-21. Also read Acts 1:3-12 and Paul's tiny version of the story in I Corinthians 15:3-8. These 165 verses can be read in a few moments. Then, without omitting a single detail from these separate accounts, write a simple, chronological narrative of the events between the resurrection and the ascension: what happened first, second, and so on; who said what, when; and where these things happened. Since the gospels do not always give precise times of day, it is permissible to make educated guesses. The narrative does not have to pretend to present a perfect picture--it only needs to give at least one plausible account of all of the facts. Additional explanation of the narrative may be set apart in parentheses. The important condition to the challenge, however, is that not one single biblical detail be omitted. Fair enough? I have tried this challenge myself. I failed. An Assembly of God minister whom I was debating a couple of years ago on a Florida radio show loudly proclaimed over the air that he would send me the narrative in a few days. I am still waiting. After my debate at the University of Wisconsin, "Jesus of Nazareth: Messiah or Myth," a Lutheran graduate student told me he accepted the challenge and would be contacting me in about a week. I have never heard from him. Both of these people, and others, agreed that the request was reasonable and crucial. Maybe they are slow readers . Dan Barker - http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=stone Try it and follow the directions.
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Judge Strikes Down Christian License Plate

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:19 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

Gibbons Family »Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:23 pm Homosexuals shouldn't come to a Christian website to attack and disrupt Christians trying to exercise their freedom of speech.
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In Response: Pardon me but your wrong. There isn't a governmental entity chilling your speech here and without that there isn't a violation of anyone's free speech.

I have noticed you inability to overcome logical argument with your religious rhetoric and that is what you really are whining about.


So next time you want to go shouting about some alleged violation of your freedoms, remember to research the right and then prove you are even more guilty of trying to prevent logical discourse with another person who doesn't follow your ideology.

You don't want to discuss anything with anyone else that doesn't already agree and follow you belief system, what you want is to avoid dealing with reality and just live in your little fantasy world.

Have a nice day and next time just ask I will be happy to explain it again if you need me to.

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Italy Gov't to Appeal Ruling on Classroom Crucifixes

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:18 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

RaeJae»Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:15 am Why would anyone want to wear a crucifix with a pretend Jesus on it anyway.Christ is no longer on the cross, he is risen and on the right hand of the Father in heaven.
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In Response: Well you may be able to give a chronological account in response to this challenge here since you seem so convinced of it.

http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=stone

All you have to do is use all the points in all 4 gospels without omitting a single detail and don't interpret, just list them all and provide the account using every single point in all 4 gospels. Just follow the instructions on the link.

Should be easy for you since you are so convinced of the resurrection. Shouldn't take you very long either since every point is given on the link to speed it up.

Have fun.
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Italy Gov't to Appeal Ruling on Classroom Crucifixes

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:10 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Cold Wave Linked to Temperatures
Who would have thought!
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Enfield (London) Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide
They may be on to something!
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Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges
You mean there's something stronger than duct tape?
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Man Struck By Lightning: Faces Battery Charge
He probably IS the battery charge!
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New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group
Weren't they fat enough?!
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Astronaut Takes Blame for Gas in Spacecraft
That's what he gets for eating those beans!
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Kids Make Nutritious Snacks
Do they taste like chicken?
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Local High School Dropouts Cut in Half
Chainsaw Massacre all over again!
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Hospitals are Sued by 7 Foot Doctors
Boy are they tall!
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And the winner is....
Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead
Did I read that right?
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Some headlines from Newspapers. This came over on one of the email lists and thought it might be amusing to post here.I didn't prepare it only cut and pasted it.

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Italy Gov't to Appeal Ruling on Classroom Crucifixes

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

These are real headlines taken from various newspapers! Go figure!
Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one caught in the Newspaper the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this. It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!! They put in a correction the next day.
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Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
Really? Ya think?
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Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers
Now that's taking things a bit far!
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Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over
What a guy!
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Miners Refuse to Work after Death
No-good-for-nothing' lazy so-and-so's!
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Juvenile Court to Try Shooting Defendant
See if that works any better than a fair trial!
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War Dims Hope for Peace
I can see where it might have that effect!
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If Strike Isn't Settled Quickly, It May Last Awhile
Ya think?!
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Continued
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Gay Marriage Supporters, Opponents Make Case in D.C. Hearing

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:18 pm al, perhaps if you read the whole article you would have seen what the SBC is doing to eliminate this problem. But per usual it appears you've made up your mind in this matter so your not interested in either facts or the truth. I have told you first hand what the SBC is encouraging their churches to do as well as what a number of churches are doing already and I've even shared specifically what the Kentucky Baptist Convention is making available to its local churches and missions.
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In Response: No one is stopping you from posting quotes from it and then giving links to the source you quote from.

Why then haven't you done that? One reason is that what you are saying isn't supported in what you claim does. Post the quotes and the links if it's there otherwise you are just continuing to make this up without the outside verifiable evidence.
That is the real problem for you when you have to actually support your position you know you can't with anything form a reliable source and that is why you haven't done that here!
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Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

gem_of_tki »Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:41 am "You see Fox is full of made up stories, like Beck using pictures from his 9/12 rallies inserted to make the 4,000 people at the Tea Party protest of health care with Bachman seems large"

See "Jon Stewart Catches Sean Hannity Falsifying Footage..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/jon-stewart-catches-sean_n_353447.html
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In Response: Great Point! How about Hannity getting busted for editing the Daily Show video. O'Rielly getting busted regularly about his stupid comments and complete lack of knowledge of the facts. Beck has to make stuff up to bolster his line of nonsense, if he didn't make the stuff up he wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Remember when he was asked about what college he graduated from and he replied something to the effect of "I don't remember" , that was too funny for words.

Then Fox got powned for inventing a story that Major Garrett admitted he reported incorrectly and retracted, but the idiots on Fox still commented on it just like it was true and then they go into silent mode after having it exposed.

Fox is the National Enquirer of news sources, make it up as they go. LOL

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Judge Strikes Down Christian License Plate

Alockslee »

Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:18 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

aveteran »Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:17 pm Agree: 5 Disagree: 2 Flag

What "core values"? Racism, religious discrimination, gender discrimination? The legislators made clear their intent that ONLY Christians were going to be privileged to have such a plate. The judge rightly called them on their illegal discrimination and kicked them to the curb.
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In Response: What caused this to be flagged? Whenever a poster on this site sides with the secular decision or indicates the secular point of view is correct, the post is flagged.

I agree with aveteran on this one, the judge was correct in the decision. It shouldn't have had to go this far, the license plate never should have been allowed in the first place.

TFR

Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings

Alockslee »

Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

In Response: here is a link about your fake moon rock and you didn't say it was from Fox News, I thought it came from a legitimate news source, LOL

You see Fox is full of made up stories, like Beck using pictures from his 9/12 rallies inserted to make the 4,000 people at the Tea Party protest of health care with Bachman seems larger. With anything from Fox, you have to investigate what they say from legitimate news sources and compare the truth with what Fox reports to make sure they are telling the truth. Most of the time Fox isn't and it doesn't take much to show what the truth is from the "Fox" version.

So in the future, please state the source of your supporting evidence and if it is from Fox then please verify it before using it as it is more than not manipulated or just made up.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm

I did find this also from BBC: which reports that the Dutch rock was reported to be fake. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8226075.stm Just so you know I am speaking about FOX in the first part, but not challenging your story on the fake moon rock story from a legimate news source. See how easy that was. You go to legitimate sources for verification and disregard Fox on the rest of their stuff until you can verify it from a real source first. Fox is not a source that can be accepted without first making sure other sources have vetted the information first. Look up Hannity and O'rielly on Youtube and watch the videos proving they make up stories and edit the video/dialog when they report to make it fit "their"agenda/

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Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings

Alockslee »

Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Tigercat »Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:43 pm
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In Response: Tigercat, you bring up some interesting points and thanks for taking a civil approach in your response, I will do the of course maintain the same in mine.

First off something from wikipedia is not always the best source, some entries are good and some are bad, the scholarship varies and often people misread the source material and reach conclusions in direct opposition to the source.
I am reading the Jefferson quote differently than you are in that he seems to be saying he wouldn't give it a second thought but there is a problem with others who would fight him on the issue if he did.
"I can say with conscious truth that there is not a man on earth who would sacrifice more than I would, to relieve us from this heavy reproach [slavery], in any practicable way. the cession of that kind of property, for so it is misnamed, is a bagatelle [possession] which would not cost me in a second thought, if, in that way, a general emancipation and expatriation could be effected: and, gradually, and with due sacrifices, I think it might be. but, as it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other"
Jefferson is saying that he is worried about HIS self preservation if he abolished slavery is how I am reading it.

You also bring up some other points like John Brown being a christian, but notice he is one of a small number and the majority of slave owners were christian and in favor of it. So that logic fails due to the numbers and the historical proof of the southerners who used biblical quotes to defend their position.
I will address the other points in another post.
TFR

Gay Marriage Supporters, Opponents Make Case in D.C. Hearing

Alockslee »

Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:10 pm al, give me a break, anybody with half a brain realizes that regardless how stringent the guidelines are there will unfortunately be these types of incidents regardless of the denomination or use of a national database.
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In Response: You said go to the following sites and read about what is being done, well I did and found the quote.

You need to post these quotes you claim that the sbc is correctly and sufficiently taking the necessary steps to put together a national database to root out these child molesters and pedophiles in the sbc.

It doesn't show up searching for the following terms:
Child molesters
national database
pedophiles

Certainly is proving that the sbc doesn't care and HAD to stop covering up for the preacher when the attacks by him got so out of hand.

So where are your quotes from those sites that show what they are doing? It certainly isn't establishing a national database, they simply don't care and allow these sick people to run wild. I hope the parents are keeping a close eye on their kids or keeping them out of those places to prevent the molesting preachers from attacking the kids.

TFR

Gay Marriage Supporters, Opponents Make Case in D.C. Hearing

Alockslee »

Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:10 amal, this supposed anger of mine has nothing to do with the articles, but with your foul and vile false accusations that pedophiles are hiding out in the SBC and the SBC is allowing this!
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In Response: Where on the site is this to be found, since you defend them you have to put up the proof to show that they took steps to create a national database, which they haven't. No excuses now show the proof.

I did find this on there:
Sexual charge filed against Ark. minister

Posted on Apr 27, 2009 | by Staff
BENTON, Ark. (BP)--Allegations of sexual indecency with a child prompted Arkansas authorities to arrest David Kent Pierce, minister of music at First Baptist Church in Benton, Ark., on April 24. Pierce, 56, was immediately terminated by the church, where he had served on staff 29 years.
http://bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=30375

Sure looks like it is still going on and nothing has been done to stop these pedophiles preachers and members from molesting the children. You just can't seem to admit to anything and there is the evidence from the very website you TOLD me to go to!!!!!!

TFR

Time to Separate Church and Sports?

Alockslee »

Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:32 pm al, you require us to not use any religious sources to prove Christ exists which means that you are required to use only sources that believe in the inerrancy of the Word of God but believe that Jesus Christ does not exist.
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In Response: No believer I followed the same rules, you knew what they were when you jumped in and now you are so angry for proving the essay was absolutely correct and your religious basis completely false. You proved the NT is simply a fictionalized account that creates the myth and can't leave it alone.

The rules applied equally and were followed especially by me, you haven't shown one post from me that I did anything BUT follow them. I said at the start "it can't be done" yet you wouldn't listen and now you "can't let it go"

Your done, its over move on and stop beating yourself up over it. Once you proved the whole NT and jesus myth you should have accepted it and just let it go, but no you have to keep hitting your head and suffering over your own inability to reconcile all the time you have given to this and now you can't deal with the shame and feelings of why, since it is nothing but a myth.

Now that you know, cut it loose, your free to live without this oppression and allow yourself to do it. Stop this nonsense and just admit you failed, it is a complete myth and you were lead to believe in it. You know it is true so why fight it, just accept it and move on. Lots of people have and they are better today then living under some oppressive regime that controls and dictates your every movement.

TFR

Gay Marriage Supporters, Opponents Make Case in D.C. Hearing

Alockslee »

Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:10 am al, this supposed anger of mine has nothing to do with the articles, but with your foul and vile false accusations that pedophiles are hiding out in the SBC and the SBC is allowing this!
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In Response: I posted verifiable citations for my position, including something from 2009, you however haven't posted anything to back up your obvious anger.

So where is this proof, if you got then post it otherwise we can chalk up another win for me and make it a complete loss record for you.

TFR

Time to Separate Church and Sports?

Alockslee »

Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

believer »Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:29 pm al, the only things you've proven is you know how to not follow your own rules, you can choose to change your rules in mid-stream,

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In Response: Please post the examples that prove your accusations.

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Italy Gov't to Appeal Ruling on Classroom Crucifixes

Alockslee »

Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

mathetes »Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:31 pm
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In Response: How well do you know copyright law mathetes? I could suggest you contact the last person who tried the same thing on their forum but they no longer have a web presence to speak of. They too took my comments from one place and posted them without permission, now they no longer have a forum to do that.

The practice of quoting me out of context is habitual with the f&e crowd, so this is nothing new and attempts at addressing those that engage in this simply won't admit to the practice after the proof is provided. And to your buddy, I am still waiting for him to contact me if he really wants to debate the challenge since his lack of asking indicates his unwillingness to do so. His practice to post reponses to others and then not to meet them to discuss or debate them on a location that removes any control from him smacks of his inability to deal with being made to play by the established rules of debate. In other words, others spread the word, but he hasn't asked me directly nor accepted debating where he has to follow the rules and prevent outside interference from interrupting or interfering in the discussion thread.

I don't post on that site, nor do I have an account, but I have spoken with a few people about how they were treated and since it would not be possible to receive fair treatment from him on his site that precludes holding any discussion there. In fact his response to the out of context material also shows that he comments where he controls the forum, I posted here and I don't have any capacity to control the posting.

I do not nor did I ever give permission for my posts on any location to be put up on any site that I wasn't first asked and gave permission for prior to the posting. You may want to let Holding know I find that conduct in violation of my copyright and he is to remove the material immediately. If he wished to discuss the material and ask permission then he can contact me, but first he must demonstrate by removing any material about me or written by me from that site prior to contacting me as a show of his willingness to be fair and of course follow the law.

He has already admitted to taking other material from others and then doesn't provide the proper links to cross check his scholarship. so I doubt he is willing to listen to reason and simply intends to leave it up regardless of the law on the subject of copyright.

I have seen and experienced your tactics before and you are foolish to think goading me will get what you desire, if Holding is seriously interested in a real debate under the rules he can ask me for himself.
TFR

Wash. State to Bar Religious Displays Inside Capitol Buildings

Alockslee »

Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

mathetes »Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:22 pm
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In Response: How well do you know copyright law mathetes? I could suggest you contact the last person who tried the same thing on their forum but they no longer have a web presence to speak of. They too took my comments from one place and posted them without permission, now they no longer have a forum to do that.

The practice of quoting me out of context is habitual with the f&e crowd, so this is nothing new and attempts at addressing those that engage in this simply won't admit to the practice after the proof is provided. And to your buddy, I am still waiting for him to contact me if he really wants to debate the challenge since his lack of asking indicates his unwillingness to do so. His practice to post reponses to others and then not to meet them to discuss or debate them on a location that removes any control from him smacks of his inability to deal with being made to play by the established rules of debate. In other words, others spread the word, but he hasn't asked me directly nor accepted debating where he has to follow the rules and prevent outside interference from interrupting or interfering in the discussion thread.

I don't post on that site, nor do I have an account, but I have spoken with a few people about how they were treated and since it would not be possible to receive fair treatment from him on his site that precludes holding any discussion there. In fact his response to the out of context material also shows that he comments where he controls the forum, I posted here and I don't have any capacity to control the posting.

I do not nor did I ever give permission for my posts on any location to be put up on any site that I wasn't first asked and gave permission for prior to the posting. You may want to let Holding know I find that conduct in violation of my copyright and he is to remove the material immediately. If he wished to discuss the material and ask permission then he can contact me, but first he must demonstrate by removing any material about me or written by me from that site prior to contacting me as a show of his willingness to be fair and of course follow the law.

He has already admitted to taking other material from others and then doesn't provide the proper links to cross check his scholarship. so I doubt he is willing to listen to reason and simply intends to leave it up regardless of the law on the subject of copyright.

I have seen and experienced your tactics before and you are foolish to think goading me will get what you desire, if Holding is seriously interested in a real debate under the rules he can ask me for himself.
TFR