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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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Also, southern baptist need to set aside politics. Sometimes SBC seems to be so politically engaged that it looks almost like some branch of the Republican Party. Jesus said: My kingdom is not of this world (J 18:36). He never talked about politics, but solely about the Gospel. Try to be more like him. God bless you.
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The conclusion is very clear - affirmation for every possible human sin and watershed Gospel (sometimes even turning into open paganism) are leading mainline churches to collapse. Liberal theologians and pastors with their New Age, pro-gay theology are destroying them from inside. In consequence, there are more and more atheist in United States. There was similar pattern in Europe, where liberal theology had almost completely destroyed many of the protestant churches on the continent, with both membership and worship attendance shrinking (the last one now in single-digits in many countries), and strongly contributing to the rise of atheism here.
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Until Christians recognize that (pop) culture is the big prize and that politics is secondary, there will be no victory in this important battle for winning millions of american souls for Christ. I think it is a major error that we as Christian focus too much on politics, while it is the culture - like movies, music, books, and blogosphere - is what shapes the character and worldview of americans, especially the younger ones.
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There can be no unity with denomination that endroses openly pagan rituals in their churches, and that is what is happening within Episcopal Church. And they dare to call themselves Christians!
Look if you don't believe that this is really happening there:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/octoberweb-only/10-25-21.0.html
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Tallguy1000, in case you forgot, I remind you this is the ChristianPost, not the CatholicPost. This is a place for people who accept Jesus as the Head of the Church, not Pope. And this is a place for people who refer to Almighty God when talking about Holy Father, not to bishop of Rome. This site is not a place for blasphemy. If you search such, you have plenty of your Roman Catholic portals and forums.
Let me answer you through the words of the Bible:
Jude 1:4-16
"For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day - just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke you. But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion. These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.
It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage."
Word of God - Holy Bible clearly states both in Old and New Testament that homosexuality is a sin:
Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
Romans 1:26-28: "For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
Moreover, Jesus Christ himself defined the marriage as a bound between a man and a woman:
Mark 10:6-8: "But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female. Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh."
Those who reject these words, reject Jesus Christ himself:
John 14:21-24: "Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me."
1 Thessalonians 4:2-8: "For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; that no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you."
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Catholics are referring to Pope as a Holy Father, but look to John 17:11, to who was Jesus referring in such way. The Bible says that Jesus alone is the Head of the Church, but catholics are worshipping Pope as a Head of the Church. The Bible says that only God is inerrant, but Catholic Church is holding that it can elect a man who will be inerrant in matters of faith and morality.
Just like Jehovah Witnesses will always find a way to prove you that Jesus was only a man, and that Holy Spirit is not a person, despite all what is written in the Bible, in the same way the Catholic Church will always try to prove in some specious way that its human teachings are true.
But, as it is written by their fruits you will know them.
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truthandjustice1,
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One aspect that bothers protestants is the continual growth of the Catholic Church. You can search anywhere on the internet and the answer will always be the same: the Catholic Church continues to grow because people like you find the truth everyday.
Well, in catholic strongholds like Poland, Ireland, and whole Latin America with most significant examples of Guatemala and Brazil, catholicism is in decline. In Brazil, where there were 90% of catholics about thirty years ago, now they constitute no more than 67%, while protestant churches, mostly pentecostal ones, have risen from almost nothing to 25%, according to latest polls. In Guatemala it is the same story a country which was almost uniformly catholic in the seventies, now is in about 30-40% protestant (also pentecostals mostly). In Poland, Ireland, France, Italy or Spain percentage of catholics in the population is also in decline. In U.S. membership of Catholic Church of course rises, but it is mostly due to immigration from (still) catholic parts of Latin America. On the other hand, evangelical and pentecostal churches worldwide grow at dramatic rate (pentecostal churches alone are growing in 19 milions of new believers per year, according to Christianity Today), even in places like secularized western Europe. Evangelical churches are winning souls even in such countries like Iran, where it was deemed impossible for any christian Church to grow.
I see this wonderful growth as a Gods blessing, a sign for His sons and daughters that they have finally taken the right path, the path that was outlined by Jesus Christ.
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Aeryn, I appreciate your words about loving your brothers and sisters in Christ. So do I, and although I am a catholic-turned-pentecostal, I have many catholic friends. But, you see, catholic church as an organization does not necessarily think in the same way as you do. When someone is leaving it eg. to another christian denomination, he is excommunicated, and church does not recognize this person as brother in Christ. In case when you live in an overwhelmingly catholic country (eg. Poland or Mexico), you are often subjected to intense pressure to go to catholic church. In Chiapas, Mexico, such pressure turned into violence, as mexican pentecostals vere severely persecuted by their catholic neighbours there.
Now you said that you don't want to the see the U.S. become like Europe in terms of faith.
well, i must tell you that in Europe one of the firsts countries which introduced same-sex marriage were catholic Spain and Belgium. That is because catholic church is not bible-oriented, but rather tradition-oriented, and among catholics, reading the Bible is something unusual. I appreciate your desire to be better christian, but joining catholic church is a wrong choice to do so.
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The problem with catholic church is that it has problems with tolerance in regard to other christians. It calls itself only true christian church, and while catholic hierarchy talks a lot about ecumenism, they see it not as a dialogue, but as a way to absorb all other denominations to their organization. In my country, Poland, many priests and catholics in informal talks are describing evangelical churches as cults, and priests sometimes even openly defame them during sermons. They are doing such things because they are a majority in my country, and they behave like muslims - relatively tolerant when they are minority, but often eager to persecute others when they constitute majority.
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I fully agree with Rev. Chavez. It makes me wonder why so many denominations are pushing such unbiblical agenda, when everyone can see what is happening to liberal churches such as Episcopal Church or Presbyterian Church (USA) doing so - permanent decline in both membership and congregations number, as well as in church attendance... These organizations (i have doubts in we should still call them Churches) are "bad trees" which bears "bad fruits", and as such they are doomed:
Mt 7:15-20
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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Mt 4:7: Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"
Praveen, you cannot say that you expect God to make supernatural intervention, because that is no other thing than putting Him to the test. God may do whatever He wants with those brothers and sisters.
As Tertullian wrote "In the blood of the martyrs lies the seed of the Church", so maybe even if all of these korean christians will die there, their death might be a sign to afganis, and maybe some new wave of conversions will take place in Afganistan...
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