Gay Marriage Supporters Threaten to Strip Churches of Tax Exemption

Cheala34life »

Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

@homosexual man - What greek dictionary are you using to define agape? the word love can also be translated charity...Paul uses the same term...agape love in no way reveals God's love for a *man* in a homosexual way...if what your are saying is true then God is gay...and that is not true in any form. you need to find a better greek dictionary...you also have to understand that the new Testament is not written in in classical greek...many scholars believe luke's gospel was written in classical greek. it is written i Koine greek./ aramaic..there are four different greek words for love in the greek languange...get what is called a strong's concordance before you start using definintion out of context...

Ted Haggard Draws Over 100 to Prayer Meeting

Cheala34life »

Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:59 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

I would first like to say that I do not condone Ted Haggard's behavior. He was wrong on all accounts. His consequences are still before him. I don't think there are too many places he can go where someone will not know who he is and what he has done.

The purpose of this post is to rebuke the church. I understand a non believer ridiculing him and dispising him. Believers on the other hand should not partake in this. He is still a brother in Christ who was overtaken in a fault. Yes, he was led away by his own lust, but that does not cancel out fogivness. Many well meaning believers on this website have stated he should no longer be in ministry. Why? whose standard are we judging by. Man's or God's. I recall in scripture that God did not let David off the hook, but he was not told he couldn't be king anymore either. God wants Ted Haggard to deal with his issues, but he also wants to use him. What glory does God get out of sitting him down? God want to correct his lifestyle so that his lifestyle will reflect Christ. Why can't believers and the church undestand this? Didn't God take a chance on many of you? it is only by grace many of you have not been exposed. I am glad God exposed him. His soul is worth more than any ministry he will ever have. I eually as glad God can use him again. His experience can help someone other minister or young person struggling with the same issue. We all have proclivities and many times we give into them.

if Ted Haggard has sincerley repented, then he should do what proverbs instructs...a just man falls seven times...what make the man just if he is continously falling?... God...the church may not want him to preach and teach again...but God does...

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

Cheala34life »

Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:19 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 5

First let me point to out that biblically, there is a difference between a Son of God (born again believer) and a christian. Anyone who enters a church building can be labled a Christian. However, a born again believer is someone who has put their, faith, confidence, trust and in the person of Christ.

To the Athiests: if you want to continue believing God does not exist, then do so...you act as if someone has put a gun to your head and said believe...its your life...To all believers: stop trying to convince those who don't want to know...

The bible is God written revelation to man...and man has to accept it as is... the bible tells us to share the message of Christ. If people reject the message, shake the dust of and move on...

Here on this website, we are defending the Faith. Last I checked, this is a Christian based website. We talk about God, his son and the Holy Spirit. You guys came to our website ridiculing us for what we beleive. Last time I heard, that's called persecution...saints of God, Be Blessed..."Blessed are those who are persecuted for my names sake."

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

Cheala34life »

Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

@johnzon - well actually, its not illogical when you think about it...at some point your parents were responsible legally for you...correct? at some point they too could have been fined and held accountable for your actions...but at some point you become liable for your own mistakes...its no different with God...Spiritually speaking, adam of and eve are the parents of everyone...when God created them he created them in his immage, they fellowshipped with him constantly, but when sin entered the picture, that nature was marred, God's spirit was no longer with them in terms of fellowship and communion, man had broken God's command...in that single occurence everything changed...and everythign was affected...as humans we have always been in perpetual falleness, we are so far removed from adam and eve that it does not make sense pay for someone elses crime, but that is exactly what Christ did at Calvary. He had not sinned, but he died for the sins of mankind...man is in debt to God...you and i cannot pay that debt...ever, but we can accept Jesus Christ as savior and accept his payment for us...then God, cleans our slate...our sinful nature is still there, but inwardly, because dwells within you, you have the power to overcome your sinful nature...

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

Cheala34life »

Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

@u4eeeh...your statement is more profound than you know...it is going to take more than celebrity preachers and teachers. it will happen though...God himself is going to reveal to all who he is...

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

Cheala34life »

Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

are professed atheists. When you look back to the days of pagan religions, like the Greek, they had a moral code that is similar to that of most religions. Their philosophy could stand on it's own without their gods (or Ours). It could be possible to adhere to God's moral law without believing in God, Himself, I suppose.

• You raise an excellent point. Can you live a moral life without God? This is true if morality is relative. If morality is absolute then no. Yes there are many people who do not swear, steal, do not break the law, but sin is more than doing the deed. Sin is also a disposition. Sin is a law within man. He is corrupt without God. Also, because a person has a relationship with God does not mean they are sinless. It is not about being perfect, it is about being perfected. Jesus is attempting to perfect those who believe in him. His agenda has to be worked out through fallible man.


There's a couple of good points raised by both sides about the morality of the other side. Believing in God doesn't necessarily make you a good, moral, ethical person and non-belief doesn't exclude you from being a good, moral, ethical person. I have a couple of believers in my family who don't have a clue about living as God calls us to. I also know people who are non-believers who would cut their right arm off for you.

• You are also correct here. Believing in God, makes you righteous in God’s sight. Upon accepting him as your savior he gives you a new heart and the desire to want to please him. you don’t perform good deeds to be right with God…good deeds are borne out of a devotion and love the one who has given them new life.

Not everybody hears God's call, unfortunately, but I believe they can still lead good lives of upstanding morality, anyway. They just don't get the part about God being behind it all.

• You also correct here not everyone will answer his call, but he is calling for all to come to repentance. The clearly states that God does not wish that any should parish..” but he also has to be just, right and fair in how he deals with people. If not, he cannot be called Holy.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

Cheala34life »

Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:13 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

It is true some have distorted his teachings. What teachings are you speaking of? Jesus did not go around advocating there was not a God. In fact, he said “if you have seen the father you seen me.” He let others know he had the same authority as God. He wanted others to believe in God. Both the book of Hebrews and the book of Colossians attest to the supremacy of Christ. You are also correct that some preach the gospel for gain, but there are many who dont’.

Exactly, you made the assertion he is not. I have a book that tells me is and reveals his plan for redeeming lost man…what do you have?...since you say you I have to proof it, explain to me how the bible, written over a fifteen hundred, by more than forty different people, remains consistent in its message?

Historical data points to more than opinion. I do believe what I believe is accurate and correct. One has to be correct or there is not absolute truth. Aren’t you doing the same? Don’t you believe what you believe is correct? If not, why don’t believe?

You do live in a world where everyone believes what they want…no one forces you to believe. What you fail to realize is that man is connected to God because God created man. I know you don’t believe that, but it is true. Man was designed to be in direct relationship with God. Sin is more than what a person does. Sin is also a disposition. Because of Adam and Eve’s actions in the Garden of Eden, the nature of sin was transferred to all of mankind. Jesus solves this problem for man, when man puts his faith, trust and confidence in the person of Jesus Christ, who because of his death and resurrection is able to give the worst person, new life

You have been extended that basic courtesy, don’t believe in God.

Atheists Promote 'Good Without God' Message in Big Apple

Cheala34life »

Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:45 pm Agree: 10   Disagree: 7

Whether you believe it or not, atheists have a belief system..you just don't believe in God. Do I agree? of course not, but it is your right not to believe. However, I too have the right to believe. I also believe the chruch should respect the right for others not to beleive, but that does not mean truth has to be silent. What I believe is truth. what other source does an athiest have to disprove that God exists? You cannot. It takes more faith to believe there is not God, than to believe there is. as an athiest you constantly have to find a reason not to believe. Beleivers who are sound in their faith don't have to keep getting reason to believe in God. We know that he is because of the Word of God. As a believer it does not make sense for me to reason with you from a scriptural point of view..why? you don't believe it anyway. however, should believers look for opportunities to share the message of Jesus Christ? yes, they should. For true believers the banners should give us an open door to share the gospel with those who don't believe in the Lord Jesus christ. That brings me to a second point. God is not the problem...Jesus is. when you tell someone they have to believe in Jesus order to be right with God, it becomes a problem. Man does not realize how depraved spiritually he is.

Reformed Pastor Preaches on the Proper Role of Ministers

Cheala34life »

Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

Very very profound...I pray we as believers get back to the point where our lives revolve around scripture and not scripture around our lives...

House Passes Expanded 'Hate Crimes' Bill

Cheala34life »

Fri May 01, 2009 12:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

While I understand the logic behind the bill, it is uneccessary. If someone is murdered we seek to find a motive to satisy the courts.

Regardless of whether or not you are homosexual or straight why does it have to be called hate crimes. Do people murder because they like people? Logically, any crime against another human is considered punishable. In my opinion this bill emphasizes sexual component that protects particularly those who are homosexual. The lanquage in the bill does not limit only to homosexuals. It would not have passed had it done so. However, it is clear who benefits the most.

Another question is what if the opposite were true? How would you deal with a situation where the punishment was soley determined based someone "hating" you or not? everyone in the country would say that cannot be fairly judged and it is too subjective. How do you measure hate? or the intensity of why someone did what they did? You can't...regardless of what lifestyle the person lives they should not be assaulted or murdered because of it. to shade any of it with hate actually makes the issue worse because it can become such a gray area. proving the intesity of someones feelings before a violent crime is committed is far too subjective.

In actuality the very thing that the hate crimes bill is suppose supplement will be undermined.

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Cheala34life »

Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

mickeyC - thank you for respondin to my post, but the two questions posed to you were not answered.

The burden of proof is not us as beleivers its on you. I don't know your biblical background, but from reading how certain you are that homosexuality is not a sin, it prove your argument all the more if you could provide scriputures or at least a idea from the bible that approves of homosexuality. If you can do that then you have basically discredited the message of the bible.

you mentioned in one of your posts that the bible doesn't speak about many things and you correct. Did you know that the bible never says david committed adultery with basheeba?

No....it doesn't. this because God's reaction to his action tells us that he disapproved. Nathan the prophet was sent by God to deal with David and his behavior, but God never tells David "thou hast committed adultery."

in every single context you find homosexuality, you find it in a negative context. This is not out of hate. At the end of the day whether you believe anyone on this forum or not the bible is still true and will always hold true.

Even if the hates crimes bill is passed, ministers, preaches/pastors are obligated to tell the truth according to God's word. The truth does make people angry aand it will be contested. dispite what man does God's wwill be vindicated.

for you discreditig the bible and its message would be a masterpiece. something to brag about for all time. So...for all the homosexuals in the world prove us as believers wrong.

The problem is what if your wrong? There is possibility that what we say is true. I will agree there are some believers who do hate homosexuals. This behavior is not Godlike. however, there are some believers who realize that telling the truth can help someone.

Hate Crimes Bill Headed for Vote in House Committee

Cheala34life »

Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

I have been reading the posts...and i must tell you its pretty heated, but my question is for mickeyc. since you say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, then what does it actually say? If the bible does not condemn it then the opposite has to be true...it would condone it...can you prove where God has condoned homosexuality as an acceptable form of intimacy?

Miss Calif. Says Traditional Marriage Answer 'Cost Me My Crown'

Cheala34life »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

also - truth is truth. secondly, is it a sin to where a bathing suit? it is not a sin to be in a miss america competition? No and No

regardless of what the world thinks her comment was biblically based. Marriage is betweeb one man one woman. God does not care what we think. Marriage is a God ordained institution regardless of what the laws of the land may allow on paper. God will not be mocked. Eventually, this will get passed. Ministers are still obligated to preach the truth. Truth is not hate.

Let me put it this way. If you were ill for several days and went to the doctor and the doctor tells you there is a cancer in your body. They only way to rid your body of the cancer is to operate or you will die. What would you tell the doctor? Most people would say thank you a million times. Did the doctor tell you the truth about your situation or was he being hateful in what he said? before you say that is not a valid comparison, let me explain that God does the same thing to us. Through the preaching of the gospel he make you aware that we are all spiritually sick.

However, he tells us the truth about our problem. He has a great spritual physician named jesus. He does not use a scapel, but his own blood. His death has provided man a way to be rescued from an eternal death sentance. That is the truth.

Miss Calif. Says Traditional Marriage Answer 'Cost Me My Crown'

Cheala34life »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

you know what is really interesting? Gay rights advocates want the rest of the world not to have an opinion about their lifestyle. They also say it is their right to believe what they want and live how they want.

Miss California stated an opinion for herself...why does she have to comprimise what she thinks for the sake of being politcally correct? No one can say anything bad about homosexuality with out repercussion. It is that the same thing Gay rights advocates want? they want to be able to live their life with whom they please withour repercussion. So what if she said marriage is between one man and one woman? She has the right to states her opiion about it. She should not have to hide how she feels any more than the homosexual person.

Seems to me there is a double standard.

Megachurch Pastor: Where's My Bailout?

Cheala34life »

Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

First let me say that their nothing wrong a mega-church. Dont get hung up on the term. If you want to be scriptural the book of acts records that on tow different occasions three thousand or more were saved in a day. By our definintion in America the Holy Spirit aided the apostles in obtaining a mega-church. God does not have a problem with mega- churches.

What he has a problem with is the teaching that it has to be large to be from God. That is not scriptural. Those who Pastor churches with far less members are just as effective as a mega-church. It is not the size of the church, but the heart of the people.

Lets face it, our culture has infected churches. I agree with the pastor. Why are so many believers going nuts over a bad economy? The word of God tells us not to worry about what we will eat or wear. God has promised to take care of us when we put him first. Believers must realize you do not have to have everythig you see.

Missional Church Movement - The Next Big Thing?

Cheala34life »

Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:53 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

Honestly, the concept is not new...it just has a n ew name. Churches should go outside of their for walls...teh message of Jesus Christ was never meant to stay confined to the inside of the church...without sound pessimistic, i think putting a different label on what should be biblical evangelism is simply another way present the church in a non negative way. whether you call it missional or evangelism. Jesus Christ himself stated he did not come for those who are well, but for those are sick. The church as a whole must reconcile their beliefes with scripture first. If the church in America understood its purupose as a whole you wouldn't need a term "going missional"

The bible calls it spreading the good news.

Ted Haggard: Public Appearances Help Heal 'Festering' Wound

Cheala34life »

Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

I posted earlier, but I had another thought. I believe Ted should accountable for his actions. I also believe he should have contiuned therapy. But I will say this we all are fallible.

for those who think Ted has sit for years until he is restored..how long do you think that will be? Man has put restrictions on when the a "restoration process is finished. What does he have to say in order for some one to trust him again? Again, I am not let him run loose, but when look at the life of Jesus, how did he treat Judas? Jesus knew Judas had issues. He was a thief. Look at the life of David. pre-meditated murder, adultry and child as result. David was suppose to die for what he did, but God was merficul toward him. Ted haggard has hurt many people. He has no doubt ruined lives. Consequences of his actions will follow him for many years to come, but the moment he asked for forgivness, God heard him and forgave him.

The problem is since we are flesh and don't have thd mind of God..(well not that relying on God is a problem), but in our best judgment we don't have his mind or heart. We have to rely on his word and our discernment. if you look in all of scripture God gives second chances. Scripture doesn't teach that if you screw up you can't teach or preach again. Can God use him again? of course...will man use him again? Now that is the million dollar question.

Man will never look at him without seeing what he did..that is part of his consequence, but God doesn't see it anymore. True forgiveness is to see Ted as he was before the fall...although God deals with us in a fallen world he does not see his fallen children, but as he created us...in his image. This is wants to elevate us to again.

Ted Haggard: Public Appearances Help Heal 'Festering' Wound

Cheala34life »

Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

I saw part of the interview. I would like to say that i still consider Ted Haggard a brother in Christ. I believe it was a good thing that God exposed him. His soul is more important than any ministry he will ever have. Having said that, its seems as if the church is reluctant to let him back in. Once someone has fallen or committed a sin it does not mean they can never preach or teach again. I believer his restoration process is a component to his recovery. I also realize that people struggle with issues. Ted is not the only minister struggling with this isssue. The bible says that whom God loveth he will chastise. God loves Ted Haggard so much that he allowed his sin to be exposed so he could see where he was spiritually. This is what we all need.

I hope is able to be in the pulpit again. I believe the church should forgive him also. Many of us forget where we were when God found us.

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

Cheala34life »

Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Correction *The term christian can not justify you morally*

Many Americans Say Christianity Not the Only Way to Eternal Life

Cheala34life »

Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Unfortunately, many people consider themselves "Christians."

God does not refer those who have been born again as "Christians." Biblically, the term Christian was a deragotory. Those who were associated with Christ were not looked as people who were nice and compassionate. you must understand Jesus was considered a criminal. anyone associated with was looked down upon.

Today the term Christian is no more than a social term or a way to legitamize your life because you are affiliated with a church. The term christian can justify you morally.

For someone to say I am a Christian that is not indicative a real relationship with Christ. Biblically, God refers to those who have accepted Christ as "son of God" The only way to become a son is to accept the son God has given for our eternal salvation. So yes, if you use the term Christian as it designated today, then yeah... there is more than way to God, but if you use the term biblically, then no...a son of God can only be born of God. To be born of God by the his spirit, you must accept Jesus the Christ.