Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

Dr_Nofog »

Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Rp
You speak correctly when you say "I believe baptism to be a gift", & therein is your problem of extra-biblical beliefs; "**I believe**..." Please show us clearly in His Word where baptism is called a "gift" apart from RC tradition? Eternal life, however, is clearly called a free gift in His Word & I would not deny that gift to any child of our Creator who *knowledgeably* feels the weight of sin & seeks deliverance by the Good News of Jesus.

As a former RC, I don't mean to be brutal, but dude, the rest of your post just flat out does not make any logical sense [except maybe to Rcs], as you appear to be using words that you don't fully understand. I know it's cool for RCs to get all caught up in all that passion stuff [not diss'ing it], but it's not mentioned in Rom. 6, just death & resurrection. And I find it interesting that you only give vs 3-4 instead of the more critical ones...if I have time to address it I will come back, but continuing on... A "catalyst"? "that points the [saved persons] towards truly becoming [already saved persons]"...??? Stumped me on that one, dude!
You say "Baptism requires faith". Submerging requires trust...?!? What immersion are you talking about here, & what is this faith/trust? I can understand this if you mean you "trust" and/or "hope" that the person dunking you will not accidentally drown you, but beyond that you make no sense!

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

Dr_Nofog »

Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer,
Chas said "heterodox", not heterosexual. heterodox: - characterized by departure from accepted beliefs or standards, Not in agreement with accepted beliefs, especially in church doctrine or dogma. Holding unorthodox opinions.

However, that term better describes the RCC in departing from "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints".

But check this, Dude: his most blatant insinuation: "I guess when the definition of marriage is being revised, I'm not surprised that these newcomers to Christianity will change definitions to suit their heterodox positions" -is that us so-called "newcomers to Christianity"..."will change definitions" to accommodate the world's quest for same-sex marriage?!?

"newcomers to Christianity"...I don't think so!
"heterodoxy"...I don't think so!

Believer, Dude, this is your chance to "Rock" Chas with the "Rock of Ages", & star!!!

His Word rocks the ages & we are here to "Rock" with you! Maranatha!

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

Dr_Nofog »

Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Online4Him
"The best way to distinguish fact from fiction is to open up the Scriptures..."

Hi, Online. I heartily concur!

One of the 1st precepts I latched onto after I was "born again" & "the veil was lifted", was Psalm 119:130 - "The entrance of your Words gives light; it gives understanding unto the simple." Since, by definition, anything, & anyone less than God Himself falls into that general category of "simple"...angels, & all of humanity, great & small...I immediately took great comfort that all guidance is really found in *His Word*, that it is "living and powerful", "a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path", "the power of God unto salvation", "able to make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus", & I no longer needed to trust the words of some "yahoo" with a Dagon, the Fish God, hat on...[Two Babylons - Hyslop, yeah, -read it eons ago]!

Catholic League Launches Campaign to Shed Light on 'Angels and Demons'

Dr_Nofog »

Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Believer,
Recprot -
"Believer, I do have a question for you on your earlier post concerning the Baptist, the reference that he perhaps started the denomination and it would be the first..."

This seems like a familiar "blast from the past"...
http://www.worldviewtimes.com/article_feedback.php/articleid-2172
Dear 64-PA, As a former RC, former Church of Christ...GARB, Independant Baptist, Assembly of God, and now for lack of any Charismatic Baptists close by...just non-denom Charismatic fellowships, I must say I did get a big kick out of your story at the end...[SIC]... It struck me funny since Jesus didn't speak English, which came about 1000 years later, he couldn't have called him "the Baptist". There is also no indication in the NT that Jesus ever spoke Greek. Recent research shows that Jesus actually spoke more Hebrew than Aramaic but since baptize is not found in the Hebrew OT we really have no clue how He would have called him in His native tongue except for what is given us in the *Greek* NT... Baptizo is an UN-TRANSLATED Greek word that means: to dunk, dip, immerse, overwhelm, or to submerge [as it is used in Classical Greek of sunken vessels]. At the time of the KJV, the common meaning of 'baptism' had been corrupted by decades & centuries of Catholic sprinkling ["rantizo", to sprinkle, found only in Hebrews] so the translators deliberately did not give the real translation for fear of the King & the people finding out that their "baptisms" were invalid & then the cry: "off with their heads"! So, now we have a choice. It's perfectly correct to call him: John the Dunker, John the Submerger, John the Dipper, John the Immerser, whichever sounds best or makes the most sense. "Familiar" is what you grew up with before you knew better... Oh, BTW, don't stretch your Baptist suspenders too far from your chest; they might slip off your fingers & pop your nipples pretty hard... ;) Love in Christ, Dr_Nofog

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Online-
You say "So, I take it that you believe there are no further prophecies to be fulfilled".

Dude, You're starting to scare me with your reading retention... My 1st post: "The 70th "week" is still future." & "In some of their more candid moments, **opponents** of literal interpretation admit that if our approach is followed, then it does correctly lead to ***dispensational theology***." & why would I give you these: 16 Proofs of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, http://www.rapturealert.com/sixteenproofs.html, & this: "both Daniel & Jesus call it the "holy place" & Jesus spoke of it as yet future. Matthew 24:15", "the nearest antecedent is the [Roman] "prince that ***shall come***" vs.26" [still future], "3. Remember, "blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in." Rom. 11:25 They won't recognize Him til his foot touches the Mount of Olives, Zech.14:4 "and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him" Zech. 12:10" [still future]...
I mentioned "the 'Consummation', which throughout all the OT , unlike your understanding, means the restoration of true 'Israel' and their Kingdom" and asked how you reconcile [unanswered yet] the fact that the Jews were shocked here: "Why did Jesus break all Jewish traditional reading of their 'vengeful' hope "all eyes fastened on Him" by deliberately ending & separating Isaiah 61 at 2a, His 1st coming, separating 2000 yrs for His 2nd coming at 2b & all the following vs?"[of Isaiah that go on to describe]...the Hope of all Israel has always been: the Day of the Lord to restore the Davidic Kingdom over the whole earth with Messiah on the throne, & the subjection of all Gentile kingdoms.
I also mentioned that I have had a keen interest for over 40yrs in *projected* middle-east & world events that appear to be clearly & neatly inter-woven with prophesies written 2k-4k yrs ago, which, by definition, classifies them as ETP...
That looks like a lot of prophecies I listed as yet to be fulfilled...

I also asked: "So again, how long have you been comparing views?" so I could better understand where you're coming from.
But, alas, I'm packing right now, I'll be off-line, out in the boonies for a week, so hold that thot...

Christian Broadcasters Face 'Dark Clouds'; Affirm Commitment to Preach

Dr_Nofog »

Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

OS,
I apologize if my dramatization seemed over the top & certainly with no intention of being "arrogant". I do find it interesting how people read things, especially with prior knowledge that can color it. Gnosticism, as you well know, is a "religion" that teaches that there is one "holy" spirit god that created a series of lesser gods progressively less "holy", down to the one who created this material, hence evil, realm. And as you stated "Gnosticism is about [this] "secret knowledge" and only a "holy few" having access to this "knowledge." [ie. working their way back up the ladder] It teaches material is evil and I think most Protestants don't consider material goods or their own bodies as evil."

You say "Secondly, one needs to be able to discern between the truth and the lie." That's a good admonition. But coupled with your next assertion, "This claim of gnosticism is plainly irresponsible." it plainly becomes an accusation, an indictment of lack of discernment.

My repost of this portion "essentially Gnostic worldview" was to counter your assertion by emphasizing the **operative words**. Yes, Protestantism does not believe the Gnostic's "theological" heresy, but **essentially**, for all **practical purposes** today's Christian **worldview**, our scriptural civic & humanitarian level of involvement, our duty to "occupy til I come" is Gnostic. In every covenant; Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic,etc. God has this theme: Yes, you surrendered the world to Satan, but if you go where I send you "in the world", take charge of what I give you "in the world", I will be your rear-guard.
And I said "I hear Frank Zappa"... And as to your assertion that my "ranting is only tenuously attached to this article"...since the broadcasters are strategizing on how to circle the wagons, I thot the article was appropriate for why we're in the mess we're in. If we had more Nathans who would fearlessly preach righteousness against sin & point their fingers from the pulpits, in the city councils, the state & federal capitals, if...
"ranting"...? Thanx, brother...
PS. I'll be off-line, out in the boonies for a week, so hold that thot...

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

[Sorry, #*&@hidden control character again]
WW3-Islam-The Fate of Islam in Bible Prophecy.doc - - Some funny stuff out there off the web - but, you get the idea...

You say "I subscribe to the Historicist position...I am not a Preterist." And; "the current sign posts...Hints of a coming new world order have been publicly hinted...surely we are moving in that direction." This seems to indicate that you are still expecting 'predicted events'. I would have you pegged as RT unless Historicist is not just a new-name repackaging or offshoot.
So does that mean that you believe that there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled? -other than the final biggee, the Great White Throne Judgment & the New Heaven, New Earth?

From my best recollection, I don't recall that the Hebrew supports parsing of 9:26-27 in that manner. It runs linear: "And after [69] weeks [1.] shall Messiah be cut off...[2.] the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city...[3.] and the end...a flood...desolations are determined [upon Israel for 2000 yrs]...[4.] and then, "he shall confirm the covenant...one week" [#70].
That a lot of stuff that pops 69 & 70 apart and the only reconciliation is to go to the NT to see what the HS says what happened...Rom. 9-11, the secret of the "ekklesia", the Assembly, hidden from the foundation, & Revelation.
Also, I could possibly buy into some of the disputed date fudge-factoring from Cyrus to move Jesus's Palm-day presentation to Israel as Messiah back to His baptism to include His 3.5 yrs ministry, but then to reach out to what, straws for the last 3.5yrs?
Since I cannot find any specific prophecies mentioning this Stephen incident, I can only conclude that someone stayed up very late one nite & had a deep, deep sea fishing expedition!

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I thot a lot of these were common knowledge; PTR =PreTribRapture[ist], RT=Replacement Theology[ist] AKA Amillennialists who eventually disliked the stigma & now call it/themselves by it, ES=Eternal Security, ETA=EndTimeApostacy, ETP=EndTimeProphecy, etc,

The prefixes also make a great file sort tool so I don't have to have 500 directories ["folders" for post-DOS Windows users]. I can have a few general topic folders:
CompuHard&SoftWare
Doctrine
NWO911OKC
-etc. & the multiple files of the same topics will automatically group into their respective sub-topics:
1984-FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool.rtf
ES-Doctrine Of Eternal Security-& Its Key Passage.doc
ETA-Most Christians Define Their Own Theology.doc
ETP-Prophecy Verifies The Authenticity Of The Bible.doc
EU asks US for greater role on world stage.doc
EU-UK defence minister supports EU army.doc
GC-N. Korea enraged by launch of Gospel gas balloons.doc
Ju3-The Bible And False Teachers.doc
PTR-2Days-After two days, He will revive us.txt
RT-The Millennium-When Will It Come -a Zionist Plot.txt
RT-The Teaching Of A Millennial Reign -a Catholic Plot.txt
WW3-Islam-The Fate of Islam in Bible Prophecy.doc - - Some funny stuff out there off the web – but, you get the idea...

You say "I subscribe to the Historicist position...I am not a Preterist." And; "the current sign posts...Hints of a coming new world order have been publicly hinted...surely we are moving in that direction." This seems to indicate that you are still expecting 'predicted events'. I would have you pegged as RT unless Historicist is not just a new-name repackaging or offshoot.
So does that mean that you believe that there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled? -other than the final biggee, the Great White Throne Judgment & the New Heaven, New Earth?

From my best recollection, I don't recall that the Hebrew supports parsing of 9:26-27 in that manner. It runs linear: "And after [69] weeks [1.] shall Messiah be cut off...[2.] the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city...[3.] and the end...a flood...desolations are determined [upon Israel for 2000 yrs]...[4.] and then, "he shall confirm the covenant...one week" [#70].
That a lot of stuff that pops 69 & 70 apart and the only reconciliation is to go to the NT to see what the HS says what happened...Rom. 9-11, the secret of the "ekklesia", the Assembly, hidden from the foundation, & Revelation.
Also, I could possibly buy into some of the disputed date fudge-factoring from Cyrus to move Jesus's Palm-day presentation to Israel as Messiah back to His baptism to include His 3.5 yrs ministry, but then to reach out to what, straws for the last 3.5yrs?
Since I cannot find any specific prophecies mentioning this Stephen incident, I can only conclude that someone stayed up very late one nite & had a deep, deep sea fishing expedition!

Christian Broadcasters Face 'Dark Clouds'; Affirm Commitment to Preach

Dr_Nofog »

Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Did anyone read my snippet "essentially Gnostic worldview" & say "in what way?" & read what the author is actually saying??? Or does everyone go: "the classic definition of Gnosticism is thus & so...and, nope! We're all good here...Everyone can go back to sleep now... And somewhere in the background I hear Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention singing:
It can't happen here
It can't happen here
I'm telling you, my dear
That it can't happen here
Because I been checkin' it out, baby
I checked it out a couple a times
But I'm telling you
It can't happen here
Oh darling, it's important that you believe me
(Bop bop bop bop)
That it can't happen here!

We receive mail addressed to "Occupant", you know, the couch potato that comes home in the evening, hangs out & watches the worldly news saying "Where are we going, why am I in this basket, & why is it getting hotter? Jesus told His servants "occupy til I come..." Oh yea, occupant...I can do that. But it's a military term: be in charge, be in command! What? The world? We're "not of this world"! That's for the world & worldly politicians. We're not battling flesh & blood here, buddy...No siree! We're in our prayer closet battling "spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies", you know, purging our mind & spirit of those evil, "devil made me do it" thoughts ... Jesus said "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matt. 10:8 We toss money at missionaries & local shelters. Heal the sick? We pray for them. Raise the dead? You know, the stuff we hear rumors of in 3rd world countries, stuff that missionaries see & do, but not here in "enlightened" western "civilization". Nope; we pray for the bereaved...'cause the Holy Spirit died with the last of the Apostles. [Read the book "When Heaven Invades Earth", Bill Johnson, www.iBethel.com, or get the "Finger of God" DVD & see with your own eyes -www.fingerofgodfilm.com.] Essentially Gnostic worldview, indeed! Humph! [Sorry, the devil made me do it...]

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Online-
"...quite the overview." -Dude, not hardly the whole thing at all...
So again, how long have you been comparing views?...and...what exactly bothers you about the PTR???
You say '...one subject at a time?' & 'we have already discussed our positions on the 70th week'. Show me again, I must have missed that. I think it should be obvious that these subjects are a lot more interwoven - not a cut & dry -70th back then or future out there, apart from the 'connective tissue' issues.

We know by accurate Hebrew reckoning that from Cyrus, 483 *literal* years have transpired to the approx. time "shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself". Show me your version of the rest of Daniel's literal 7 yrs...and I mean a *literal* 7 yr. time frame to the 'Consummation', which throughout all the OT , unlike your understanding, means the restoration of true 'Israel' and their Kingdom ... And therein is the rift of ETP.
So what exactly happened?

Christian Broadcasters Face 'Dark Clouds'; Affirm Commitment to Preach

Dr_Nofog »

Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Excellent article: The pulpit is responsible -Dave Welch
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88438
..."The studied creedlessnes of American Protestantism...its ignorance of the teaching of Scripture, its preoccupation with millennialism, its anti-sacramental and anti-ecclesiastical bias are all indicators of an essentially Gnostic worldview."

Christian Broadcasters Face 'Dark Clouds'; Affirm Commitment to Preach

Dr_Nofog »

Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Excellent article: The pulpit is responsible -Dave Welch
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88438
..."The studied creedlessnes of American Protestantism … its ignorance of the teaching of Scripture, its preoccupation with millennialism, its anti-sacramental and anti-ecclesiastical bias are all indicators of an essentially Gnostic worldview."

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

#*&@hidden control character again, Pt.3, Now I've been to RT sites every now & then [just to keep tabs on what the enemy is doing -Bwaaa ha ha] and *some* of them actually go into hissyfits with articles, tirades actually, condemning "conspiracy theorists" of being in league with Satan, slandering & "speaking evil" of *good* people & dignitaries, spreading damnable lies & heresies, and calling on them to repent of this evil delusion. Of course, that piqued my investigative nature so I poked around a little bit and I made a rather astounding discovery: they *must* reject & deny easily verifiable facts of history because their RT eschatology will not allow them to overlay literal prophecy on real history & follow it to its obvious, logical conclusion, -that Daniel's [NWO] image looms taller than ever now, that the prophecies & promises were for *Daniel's* people 9:24 & the *children* of Daniel's people 12:1, Rom. 9:4-5, 11:12, 11:25-29 esp.29 [-can anyone say *IRREVOCABLE* here], Israel is not the Church, the land is prepared [Ezek. 38:8], they are coming back, albeit without life yet Ezek. 37, God *IS* beginning to close the church age, firing up Daniel's 70th week, AKA the time of *Jacob's* trouble [not the church's], and is going to purge His chosen people in preparation for full restoration of the promise and the land. Rom. 9-11.
Oh, the horror of that thought...we are not Israel, just that plain old bride...bummer!

BTW, I just caught your post...and your question...and how long did you say you've been comparing views again? You should already know that answer... Does what we call ourselves, PreMil, PreTrib Rapturists give a clue or do you just want it straight from the horse's mouth? It starts exactly 7yrs before the Kingdom is set up, but it can't start until the Bride is safely removed from the earth...even the New Agers know that, however, they have a different take on it... Hey, you really should take a look at that last link I gave. [http://www.rapturealert.com/defendingpretrib.asp] It's one page, not along one, and even I pick up a new nugget; that Paul was not speaking from revelation in 1 Thess. 4:15, but was actually quoting Isaiah 26.

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Pt.3, Now I've been to RT sites every now & then [just to keep tabs on what the enemy is doing -Bwaaa ha ha] and *some* of them actually go into hissyfits with articles, tirades actually, condemning “conspiracy theorists” of being in league with Satan, slandering & “speaking evil” of *good* people & dignitaries, spreading damnable lies & heresies, and calling on them to repent of this evil delusion. Of course, that piqued my investigative nature so I poked around a little bit and I made a rather astounding discovery: they *must* reject & deny easily verifiable facts of history because their RT eschatology will not allow them to overlay literal prophecy on real history & follow it to its obvious, logical conclusion, -that Daniel's [NWO] image looms taller than ever now, that the prophecies & promises were for *Daniel's* people 9:24 & the *children* of Daniel's people 12:1, Rom. 9:4-5, 11:12, 11:25-29 esp.29 [-can anyone say *IRREVOCABLE* here], Israel is not the Church, the land is prepared [Ezek. 38:8], they are coming back, albeit without life yet Ezek. 37, God *IS* beginning to close the church age, firing up Daniel's 70th week, AKA the time of *Jacob's* trouble [not the church's], and is going to purge His chosen people in preparation for full restoration of the promise and the land. Rom. 9-11.
Oh, the horror of that thought...we are not Israel, just that plain old bride...bummer!

BTW, I just caught your post...and your question...and how long did you say you've been comparing views again? You should already know that answer... Does what we call ourselves, PreMil, PreTrib Rapturists give a clue or do you just want it straight from the horse's mouth?
It starts exactly 7yrs before the Kingdom is set up, but it can't start until the Bride is safely removed from the earth...even the New Agers know that, however, they have a different take on it... Hey, you really should take a look at that last link I gave. [http://www.rapturealert.com/defendingpretrib.asp] It's one page, not along one, and even I pick up a new nugget; that Paul was not speaking from revelation in 1 Thess. 4:15, but was actually quoting Isaiah 26.

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

In coming out of the RCC & accepting Jesus for salvation, I began hearing foreign terms & concepts like "rapture", "tribulation", & "millennial kingdom", which seemed illogical & preposterous according to the vacuum of theology that I had been raised in, especially since it runs contrary to the RCs early church father's **traditions**. After a while I got a highly recommended, hot off the press textbook - "Things To Come" by J. Dwight Pentecost, which on preview, we're talking almost 2 inches thick, I determined to defeat line by line. After many RC & Protestant books to the contrary, I could not defeat his clear exposition of the Prophetic time-line contained in the Word of God. I stand now, after almost 40 yrs of seeing it all come to pass **exactly** as it was foretold, more firmly, more proudly on His absolute, inerrant, unfailing Word!

Now God does seem to be a fan of the down payment principle. Since the 30 some-odd prophecies were fulfilled exactly, literally, to the letter in His 1st coming, since Jesus spoke of things in the Law & Prophets as literal & the apostles taught it the same, why would anyone question that God would not fulfill the remaining 300 in like manner?!? Is it because 2000 yrs is too long a time to the *Consummation*? Or is it something else, possibly more sinister? [Yes, you used it incorrectly. The establishment of the Millennial Kingdom *is* the Consummation.]

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I apologize for going short on you...a little stress from being out of work for awhile & from watching the machinations of our Illegal-Alien-in-Chief... [a picture-perfect preview of how our complicit *media* will present the anti-Christ to the world when he's revealed!] And from past experience with people who troll forums for doubtful disputations, who act like they have answered your question by positing more questions. I hope you're legitimate in searching for understanding of the truth rather than trying to persuade me since there are many sites that have excellent articles on these topics [http://www.rapturealert.com/defendingpretrib.asp].

A little back-ground, for what it's worth... My father started me on political history when I came home from Jr. high one day spewing Marxist propaganda from my *math* teacher's tirade on current events at the time. Needless to say, we weren't being taught math that day... When one reads carefully documented research of people writing 2 & 3 generations before me, naming names & events and projecting where it looks like we're headed, -like our Founding Father's said in the Declaration of Independence, after a long list of indictments against King Geo. -"Hey, this reeks of a **design** for tyranny!" I may have paraphrased that alittle bit... And when one looks around at then-current events & sees many projected things already firmly in place, with more on the horizon...And when a Protestant friend opens a Bible & shows me Daniel & Revelations, I can tell u that I was brought to salvation when I realized that all I had learned about the NWO was predicted in **precise detail** in the Bible 2000-3000 yrs ago, not vague, mystic wordings like that Nostrildamnass character...Only a real God can tell the future like that & I needed to be on His side!

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:06 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

Online4Him
>"Honestly..." -In sales, they tell you not to use words like "frankly, honestly, to be honest with you" since there's a lot of psychology that would suggest that you haven't been so far. Is that your insinuation?

>"...thats a lot to interpret from that single verse..." Cute! [not!]...
-From my 1st time here & what you've posted today you're obviously well-read enough to know your own position, the pre-mil, pre-trib position, & that believers don't build a doctrine on a single verse. ["For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept..."]

>"...especially when Daniel 9:27 says absolutely nothing about any seven-year tribulation, antichrist, or rebuilt Jewish temple!"

-And since some of your 'heavy hitters', previously quoted, **honestly** admit the obvious conclusions of a literal interpretation, and since you have obviously attempted to slip past & not address any of the 'connective tissue', the multiple verses I gave that flesh out Daniel, esp. Jesus's expansion that destroys your Messiah conjecture... ["...line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little"...Isaiah 28:10.], You might want to read this before we continue: http://bible-prophecy-today.blogspot.com/2008/11/run-forrest-run.html, as your comments seem intended to be both dismissive & derisive.
So...what's your real game here?

"...vast majority of well-respected Bible scholars..." -Back in 68, Dr. Stuart Crane [RIP] former head of Bob Jones U. Biz.Admin.Dept. in his classic 6hr seminar "Proofs of a Conspiracy" said "Anytime you find yourself on the side of the majority, get out - You're wrong!" It's been an excellent guiding principle all these years...

>"Logic also requires that the 70th week follow immediately after the 69th week...It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week."

-Yea, really? Isaiah 40:13 "Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counselor hath taught him?" By man's 'logic'? 1 Cor.2:14?

If this is "illogical" & uncommon in scripture, pray tell me then...Why did Jesus break all Jewish traditional reading of 'vengeful' hope "all eyes fastened on Him" by deliberately ending & separating Isaiah 61 at 2a, His 1st coming, separating 2000 yrs for His 2nd coming at 2b & all the following vs?

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

An excellent article: WHAT? ME WORRY? http://www.rapturealert.com/whatmeworry.html

"Why would reasonable, intelligent people spend their valuable time and money trying to persuade others that Jesus is coming soon and that they need to be prepared?"

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

1. The past temples "of God" had to be built 1st before God would sanctify it by His word or presence...In this case by His prophetic word because both Daniel & Jesus call it the "holy place" & Jesus spoke of it as yet future. Matthew 24:15
2. Yes they will, but they're just picking up the best they know where they left off. We know they will be because the Beast will stop it in the middle of the Tribulation. We know that the "he" of Dan. 9:27 is the Beast, not Messiah, because the nearest antecedent is the [Roman] "prince that shall come" vs.26 & it was the [Roman] "people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary [in 70AD]... The one who "cause[s] the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" cannot be Messiah because Jesus explains the prophecy as "standing where it ought not" [the holy place] Mark 13:14 & instead of the Jews coming to worship Him, He warns them "then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains" [Rev.12:6].
3. Remember, "blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in." Rom. 11:25 They won't recognize Him til his foot touches the Mount of Olives, Zech.14:4 "and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him..." Zech. 12:10

Billy Graham Association Makes 'End Times' a Focus in 2009

Dr_Nofog »

Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Confirming The Sequence Of End Times Events:
http://bible-prophecy-today.blogspot.com/2008/11/confirming-sequence-of-end-times-events.html

"...we know that the Abomination involves the anti-Christ standing in the Temple in Israel, proclaiming himself to be God. (Daniel 9:27 and 2 Thes. 2:4) But that can’t happen until some other things take place first. Obviously the anti-Christ has to be revealed. And the Jews have to build their Temple."