Christian Apologist Says Church is Producing Atheists

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Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Very well and you make a good point. However science is still full of errors and is constantly changing and I am sure will be for the remainder of the earth existance. The problem with science is everything is a hypothesis or theory. No concrete. They can't physically prove that there is gravity but it is there. Or that is what we call it anyway. It is still called a theory though. That is just out best effort at describing why we stick to the ground. Also we really are only able to scratch the surface as far as science goes. to make an informed decision to go with science on this one (as I think would be the smart move) I need to wait until all the facts are in. I can put my faith in God like you put your in science. Very well thought out though.

Christian Apologist Says Church is Producing Atheists

Dutch »

Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Dude you already posted that once. Also the KJV is full of errors and hard to understand. Let the signs go. "many will come to me saying Lord Lord have We not done.this & this & this ..in your name,and he-Jesus will say depart for me for I never knew you" don't be so quick to point a finger. You could be pointing back at yourself.

Christian Apologist Says Church is Producing Atheists

Dutch »

Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Now laforte2007 your are just as bad as your counter part in this thread. Yes I agree with the article that this originated with. The church should and needs to explain these things to the unsaved. Let me explain. I work on computers, if I walk up to some one who has a problem and start explaining something to them in technical terms then they will more than likely have no idea what I am talking about, get flustered become intimidated by the computer and never use it to it's full capability out of fear they might mess it up. I am sorry but you have made your statement very cut and dry from the begining and unfortuantely that is not the way things work. People don't know and don't understand things bibically. Every apostle in the bible devoted their time to sharing and spreading the word...you know to who? The unsaved. They had to b\c it is a hard thing to graps and yes people deserve and explination. It is not "Well I can believe it and that's it" You have to understand it. Karl Jung once quoted "The word "belief" is a difficult thing for me. I don't believe. I must have a reason for a certain hypothesis. Either I know a thing, and then I know it - I don't need to believe it.". Understand? Believe it or not this post is mostly directed at you and not citizen. Sarcasim and insults only push people away and it is unbecoming of a christian. I don't care if your spitting bible verses like 50 cent. When you start getting on top of people they get irritated and look at you like you are stupid out of frustration. Also this is why the modern day shurch by and large has a reputaion as being a narrow minded biggot. Even the divison in the church has gotten out of hand. If I told you I was Presbyteran, Lutheran, Methodist, or God forbid I said Catholic then I am sure there would be a urinating contest or why your belief is more scriptually founded than mine or why I am right and you are wrong etc. We need to be selfless and only think of others. May no soul go to hell that doesn't have to. That should be our focus. We need to love our brothers and sisters inside and outside of the church and whatever it takes to get them saved we need to do it. Jesus died for it, we just need to reach people. And if it means dying for it then so be it.

Christian Apologist Says Church is Producing Atheists

Dutch »

Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

This post has gotten way off base. This post is in no way meant in harsh tone or is it to be take that way. Citizen looks like you really need to be on an atheist thread somewhere. I understand what you are saying but you trying to convert on here is just throwing gas on a fire. I however do not agree with your view point but, everyone is entitled to their opnion. Just let me add this. People that go along reading anything and everything that they can get there hands on to make sense of something they can't quite graps reflects a big need in self evaluation. Just as the spoon fed sheep in the church (no offense but they are around) no one will think for themselves anymore and are quick to jump ship with anyone who pleads a good case for the moment or fits into their comfort zone. I just have a hard time why some modern author has so much influence on you when some of the most brilliant minds to ever walk the earth had no problem with let a lone a belief in a monotheistic God but Chrisitanity as well. Maybe you should give some of the leading Theologians a shot at their explination. They have devoted their life to the study and are extremely educated people ( I recommend Bruce Metzger) Also trying anything by Lee Stroble (is The case for Christ, The case for a creator or The Case for Faith) then make your decision. 3 Years is not a long time I'm sorry. Belief is not just a mental state it is an informed desicion for the free thinkers. Which I would classify you as.

Christian Apologist Says Church is Producing Atheists

Dutch »

Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Too many Christ's and not enough disciples.

Christian Apologist Says Church is Producing Atheists

Dutch »

Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

This argument is ridiculous.