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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
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Star: I know exactly what you mean! Our chuch, for all of the good in it, well, it just simply stinks at discipleship. So, we've taken matters into our own hands. As a small group, myself, my wife, and two other couples have been working through some terrific discipleship materials produced by Campus Crusade for Christ. I think that, ultimately, the message here is that even though we "belong" to a church, we must still ultimately "work out [our] own salvation with fear and trembling" and sometimes, this calls for us to take responsibility for our own training in righteousness.
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Quecat: I just read the article, and it just further confirms what we already know - parents, those who are primarily responsible to "raise their children in the faith" are failing at it. Add to that, in my opinion, failed youth ministry programs at the average chuch, and its no wonder why so many are falling away. They're never being convicted of that most important of all messages: Repent and be saved!
Just as an aside, this is precisely why we don't have our 9th grader involved in our youth ministry at our church. There's no challenge to the kids to take responsibility for their own salvation, even if their parents won't raise them in the faith. So, instead, our oldest serves as a room aide with the little kids, and she leans so much from serving than sitting around with a bunch of other kids who are complaining about their lives and how hard they have it. Instead, she serves, and then goes to "big church" with her parents. It's soooo much better!
Anyway, just my $.02. Thanks for the heads-up on the article, I would have missed it otherwise. -
You know, X, you can be a real pain in the rear. I'm not "shoving" anything down your throat. I was just commmenting to other Christians about a Biology cirriculum we use (btw - you can CLEP college-level biology classes with it). I wasn't even trying to say anything to the evolutionists out there.
You might find that you will get a little more respect, and people will be a whole lot more willing to listen to you if you'd drop the hostility. It's just downright mean. -
It's the only way to fulfill Dt 6:6-9 (These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.)
We use nothing but Christ-centered curriculums for our kids - including Apologia's "Exploring Creation with Biology" for our 9th grader. -
That's precisely why we homeschool our kids.
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Oh, and Hebrews 4:12:
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. -
Quecat: Don't forget 2 Tim 3:16-17:
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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agentorangex: If I've given you the idea that I think you dislike the Bible, then, I'm sorry. I never meant to give you that impression.
My intention has just been to try to understand where you're coming from, and to lay down some groundwork in which to have a discussion. I understand that you don't accept the Bible's own claims to be divinely inspired as sufficient as an authority to you. So, I'd ask if you'd accept evidence that's external to the Bible as evidence? Is it acceptable to you if I use the same types of tests that are applied to other ancient works to verify their authenticity and claims, such as bibliographic evidence, internal and external evidence, and archeological evidence? -
Agent: I see what you're trying to say, and I understand. But, I do think that its a question of authority. I view the Bible as authoratative, and you do not. I'm really just trying to paraphrase, not trying to put words into your mouth, or to do a "gotcha." I'm just trying to frame the discussion into terms that we can both agree on and understand. Do you agree with what how I'm framing your objection?
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agentorangex: "I could of swore most of the initial followers left Israel and sought to spread the gospel elsewhere following his death"
Actually, that's not true. Paul became a missionary to the gentiles (non-Jews), and travelled throughout the region. But, the remainder of the apostles stayed in Israel. -
Agentorangex: I just want to make sure that I'm clear what you're asking. I've seen you say that resting on the Bible as an authority is wrong. Is that correct?
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Agentorangex:
You're asking some really, really good questions here, and it looks to me like you are genuinely seeking answers. I'd like, if I can, to try and answer them.
1. "Yes, absolutely. We should expect nothing less from a God, ..."
The problem here is with the assumption that all religions/revalations are equal. They aren't. Jehovah God is the one and only true God, and is set apart from all man-made gods (1 Chr. 16:25). The LORD (Adonai) makes it clear in His word that Jesus is the one and only way (John 14:6: "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"). The LORD has revealed Himself in many ways throughout the centuries, from walking and talking with Adam and Eve in the Garden, to his speaking directly with Moses through the burning bush and by other means, to appearing to the Hebrews in the desert as a piller of fire and smoke, to sending prophets like Nathan, Isaiah and Jeremiah, to sending His own Son, Jesus (who, by the way, is Emmanual - "God with us"). The point is that He hasn't chosen just one way of communicating His message. He's chosen many throughout time. The Word, or the Bible if you prefer, is the written record of those revalations, handed down throughout the centuries to believers across time. As an interesting side note, you might want to read 1 Kings 18:16-39 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%2018:16-39;&version=31;) to see how other man-made gods stand up to Jehovah! Some Hebrews had decided to follow a pagan god (man-made - Baal) instead of Jehovah. Elijah, a prophet (speaker of truth) from God challenged them to a dual of sorts between Baal and Jehovah. I won't ruin the story for you, but, it does show that the LORD is the one true God over all of the little man made gods.
2. "Seriously, talk about the most illogical base for a story ever. Jesus, according to the religion comes to be born on earth to sacrifice himself for his own actions..."
I think that, perhaps, you might have a misunderstanding of what the cross represents. Since the beginning, Jehovah has required a blood sacrafice for the atonement (forgivness of a transgression of God's Law) of sins (again, transgression). This sacrafice needed to be a perfect, spotless lamb. This was a picture of the sacrafice Jesus would eventually make on the behalf of all of humanity. Where I think you might misunderstand is that Jesus didn't die on the cross to sacrifice for his own sin. In fact, Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life (the only man to have ever done so). In his perfection, He died on the cross to take all of our sins on Himself, as the perfect spotless lamb. His sacrificial atonement (propitiation) is what allows us to be reconciled to a perfect and Holy God. He didn't die for His own sins - He had none. Instead, he died for our sins - yours and mine.
I hope that this helps. -
Preach it, Quecat, Preach it! AMEN!
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"I believe followers of the Charles Darwin theory are the ones who are unintelligent and dishonest as well as deranged. "
I don't think that this is fair. I'd argue that they are blinded and misled, but not unintelligent or deranged. I don't think that it is right to question their intelligence. After all, the Word says that they are just worldly-wise, and don't have the LORDs wisdom ("The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom" Ps 111:10). Until the scales are removed from their eyes, they will not see clearly, and not much good will come from insulting those who don't know the TRUTH. We must first respond in love, just as Jesus commands:
One of the scribes approached. When he heard them debating and saw that Jesus answered them well, he asked Him, "Which commandment is the most important of all?"
"This is the most important," Jesus answered:
Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
"The second is: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:28-31.
How do we respond in love? By giving them the TRUTH - nothing shows more love then sharing the gospel - their eternal destiny depends upon it. -
Florida Submits 'Evolution Academic Freedom Act' to Senate
Emmaus »Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:10 pm
Agree: 2 
Disagree: 1
I just wanted to let you know that I a done talking about this. Its pointless, for at the core of it, the reasons I detailed in my last post. Creation science isn't even allowed on the ballfield, much less allowed to play the game. When your side decides to allow that, then, maybe it might be worth my time. But until then, its a complete waste of it. I don't particularly care for fascists and totalitarians, and thats what this reeks of.
There is a mountain of very good evidence out there against macroevolution. I'd highly encourage you to look into it, and at least try to have an open mind about it.
I wish you all the best, x. I will pray that God softens your heat to make it willing hear His voice, and to bring you into a saving relationship with Him. -
Florida Submits 'Evolution Academic Freedom Act' to Senate
Emmaus »Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:00 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0
As one wise president once said "there you go again."
You can't control or dictate the debate - and it is most certainly not decided yet. Your comments are just another clear indicator of the arrogance of your side of this debate.
There are litterally hundreds of questions that go directly to the core of the theory. The proverbial case has most decidedly not been clsed yet. -
Florida Submits 'Evolution Academic Freedom Act' to Senate
Emmaus »Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:54 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1
You also realize that no one is saying that evolution shouldn't be taught in schools. Even at the most extreme (thus far) folks from my side of the argument at worst have argued that other theories should also be presented. It has been the evolutionists who have thrown a tenper tantrum and demanded that their theory, and their theory alone be taught in schools.
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Florida Submits 'Evolution Academic Freedom Act' to Senate
Emmaus »Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:47 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0
BTW, do you serioudly think that they are teaching kids the theory to that level of detail?
No - they are saying "here's a theory that explans the origins of man. It says that things change over time, like a lion into a house cat or a chimp into a man." They are not teaching kids about chromosomal fusion. -
Florida Submits 'Evolution Academic Freedom Act' to Senate
Emmaus »Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:42 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1
Look, there is no attmpt on my part to be decietful. I think that your taking one point in which I have little knowledge in, and trying to convince me that somehow this proves that kids shouldn't be allowed to question things is just foolish. You've proved exactly nothing, except that I am lacking. BTW, I think at upon closer inspection, you'll find that this bill is more geared toward allowing folks to question, not giving them a pass. As far as I'm concerned, teach evolution in the schools. Just allow questions about the theory to be discussed. Thats exactly what this bill is about.
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Florida Submits 'Evolution Academic Freedom Act' to Senate
Emmaus »Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:24 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1
I wasn't talking about abiogenesis. Howard was saying that we are all crazy because we believe in a 6,000 year old universe, and look here - using that as a starting point, the US would only be 24 feet wide. I was responding to that comment, not making a point about abiogenesis. I was responding by saying that, by the same logic, those who believe in abiogenesis are equally as insane.
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