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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
russellstjohn,
Your are some what right that, "As procreation was increasingly separated from the marriage act. No not increasingly, but it did happen, of course, I'm speaking of Biblical times, but in each case there was consequences that came with it. Contraceptives are not part of God's plan for His people. Why would He say they are a gift and then limit them?
While they don't speak for me, I share their point of view. There is no way I could support such a ticket. And I do not think that John would be willing to hear me, but he will hear them!!!!!
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Huckabee is the only true Christian choice. check out this score card from Wall Builders:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/downloads/newsletter/VotersGuide.pdf
Harald--
I'm with you, Go Huck!!!! We don't need to "take over" the Constitution Party, it is a true conservative party for Christians!!!!
GreatNW--
I would submit to you that even if living "under Rome" we are given the duty to vote and must exercise that right under the context of Scripture.
Everyone should take Jeff Rhines suggestion and look at vision forums: http://www.visionforumministries.org/issues/ballot_box/biblical_standards_for_choosin.aspx
It descusses the need for Christians to look to Scripture for their choice of a candidate and not "the lessor of two evils" or "A vote for X = a vote for Y." The fact of the matter is Christians have a duty to vote for the true conservative and leave the rest to the Lord. No Christian can justify voting for McCain as Scriptural!
JLF--
I believe the Bible when it says that it is the inspired word of God. Therefore, it can stand on its own and supports all other Scripture. this is why I would be able to witness to a Jew with just the OT, it speaks of the NT. However, neither the OT or NT support the bom.
Secondly, God is big enough to protect His Word which He has done since it was first wrote. There are no new revelations and His word has never been lost.
Third, my statement regarding Gov Romney was he, as a Morman, said he believed the Word of God, if that is so then there should not be an argument using the OT and NT to reason why the BoM is really inspired.
Fourth, I have been called a lot of things, but never a democrate. Personally, I do not believe a person can be a Democrat and a Christian due to the party platform on abortion. No sir, I am a Born Again Christian that votes for candidates that line up with Scripture, e.g. not Gov Romney.
BTW--I have participated in the baptism of most of my children and I am not a pastor.
RB--
howabout we stick to Scripture (that is the OT & NT) when making an assertion?
If I as a Christian was to witness to a Jew I would not use the NT, but the OT because he understands it as inspired and a Holy Book. if you believe that the OT & NT are the Word of God (as Gov Romney has stated) you should have no objection to this. That will save us running into what man thinks and relying on a Holy God.
BTW--I have been to Morman services and have not found the truth. I encourage you to search the OT and NT--your eternity depends on it.
Riddle me this:
If the OT is the fortelling of Christ, the Gospels tell of His earthly ministry, and the rest of the NT further expand on Him, what part does the Book of Morman have????
Fact is, it does not and there is not an argument to be given!
Regarding Hesadanza's comments: He has to believe that 10 plagues came upon Egypt including rivers turning to blood, hail and fire falling from heaven, and complete darkness in the land for three days. He has to believe that Christ turned water into wine and raised people from the dead...."
I thought that Mormans belief the Bible? If so, this takes Romney out of the race as will for lack of Critical thinking Skills.
If not, then in fact as is the truth, Mormans are not Christians, but rather duped by Smith and Young into believing in a cult!
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Kind of like:
Your walk talks and your talk talks, but your walk always talks louder than your talk talks.
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http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0061/0061_01.asp
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Because we got away from the biblical example of being swift after a fair trial.
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Regarding levirate marriages, sadly I do not think I know enough about them to give an answer, but because they are in the Bible I can say with uttermost confidence it was part of Gods plan. Is it His plan for it to happen today? I do not know. Perhaps it has been fulfilled as the adulterer being worthy of stoning has.
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And for the adulterers, yes they are worthy of stoning. But praise God that he came to earth and died on the cross for sinners like you, me, and adulterers! He (Jesus Christ) took the place of all adulterers that put their faith in Him. Sadly, many adulterers and sinners of every kind will not obey Him and will be killed spiritually as they burn forever in Hell.
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Regarding Slavery, yes the Bible supports it. Again, not supported it, but supports it, but not in the way you think. Indentured slavery is legal in the U.S. constitution even after Amendment 13: The Abolishment of Slavery was passed.
Amendement 13 States:
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Now, other forms of slavery in the Bible are not Gods plan, and yet, they are a real and sad curse that God has used on all nations that do not follow His ways. This includes His chosen people the Jews/Isreal.
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ifeelfine72,
It sounds like you are genuine in your post. So I will proceed as so. First the Bible is clear that sodomy is a curse and a sin. Due to its length, I cannot quote it, but Rom 1: 21-32 takes us through the process by saying in part:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God
God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their heart, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
likewise the men leaving the natural use of a woman, burned in their list one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly
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HampsteadPete,
In response to your statement, except for the Christians who are at least consistent enough to revere life at any stage, regardless of what that life has done with itself.
Because these Christians support your belief you can respect them? Why would you not respect a Christian who, although he disagrees with you, is consistent with the Bible?
My friend, it is much better to revere God and follow His command for governments to punish evil doers than elevate ones self into a position to make the decision of who dies and who lives.
The Bible teaches that the role of government is to punish evil doers and protect the innocent (ie the unborn). What a world we live in when they do the opposite!
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Im sorry I missed this one!
I have to disagree with zeno and Golden Eagle. This country is temporary, Jesus Christ is forever. If you vote for a candidate that supports abortion, you have bloody hands, just as Pilot did. Your job as Christians is to have a clear conscious toward God and man. That is vote for the candidate we know is right, even if it is for a third party and let Hillary win, knowing that where the darkness abounds the light much more abounds. God does not need us to try and uphold what is less evil. lewr2 is right. Voting for the less evil is like drinking out of one of two cups of sewage water; the one with the less will still get you sick at a minimum and may kill you!
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All,
I have an idea. Since the Christians (that is, those that believe all is required for salvation is to humble themselves before Jesus Christ and admit it is only through His precious blood are we saved) and the LDS folks both claim to believe the bible how about only using it to support their assertions. If any book is inspired it can stand alone and can prove the other book without using it. In other words, a Christian can witness to a Jew only using the Old Testament to point them to Christ. Can a LDS member do the same with just the Old and New Testament???
I have to humbly disagree with Bishop Noel Jones. This is just another example of the Church going after the way of the world. Not that computers or even the internet are ungodly (otherwise I would be sinning as I write this). However, NO WHERE in the Bible does it support the concept of dating. I know this concept may be foreign to many of us with Western mindsets and, in fact, be opposed by many because it is/was their way of life and not because of how it stands up to Scripture.
Without being mystical, I firmly believe God is bigger than us and can easily be creative in how He introduces (or reveals) that a man and women are meant to be married. We must remember that a couple is put together to better serve the Lord.
I wish I would have understood this concept growing up and applied it. It would have saved me a lot of heart ache.
God never intended for people to be engaged in the sense that it is a trial period to see if a couple is compatible. Further, Scripture blatantly supports both sets of parents being intimately involved in deciding their childrens spouses. No, I dont mean arranged marriages, but I think that is closer to a biblical model than we use now. Waiting on God also takes pressure off of our young people to serve God and not evaluate every person of the opposite gender as a potential mate.
May God give His grace to America to return to biblical roots.
http://www.boldchristianliving.com/articles/youthful-romance/the-dangers-of-dating-scriptural-romance---part-1.html
http://www.solvefamilyproblems.com/
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