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Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (JN 8:32)
gd, so Margaret Sanger was still a good person, in your opinion, by advocating birth control and abortions only for those she deemed mentally ill? The abortion rate and the methods of abortions is of concern regardless of the side one is on, don’t you agree?
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from relig...more
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion as it has in itself no character of enmity [hatred] against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen [Muslims] and as the said States [America] have never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
The quote in its context from the Treaty reveals that the United States would not enter into a Holy War because of religion (as was with some countries), but rather because of Christianity we would not.
Noah Webster states in regards to the Treaty: The ecclesiastical establishments of Europe which serve to support tyrannical governments are not the Christian religion but abuses and corruptions of it.
Daniel Webster also: Christianity to which the sword and the fagot [burning stake or hot branding iron] are unknown – general tolerant Christianity is the law of the land!less
gd, it was not until 1947 when the misinterpretation of separation was applied to law and thus all proceeding decisions were based. In spite of the fact that we can clearly see that court decisions prior were based on the constitutionality of Christianity.
Updegraph v. The Commonwealth, 1824 Supreme Court of Pennsylvania decision; The assertion that Christianity was never received as part of common law of the Christian Land; and it is added that if it was it was virtually repealed by the Constitution of these United States and of this State. We will first dispose of what is considered the grand objection – the constitutionality of Christianity...more
Updegraph v. The Commonwealth, 1824 Supreme Court of Pennsylvania decision; The assertion that Christianity was never received as part of common law of the Christian Land; and it is added that if it was it was virtually repealed by the Constitution of these United States and of this State.
We will first dispose of what is considered the grand objection – the constitutionality of Christianity – for, in effect, that is the question. Christianity, general Christianity, is and always has been part of common law, not Christianity found on any particular religious tenets; not Christianity with an established church, but Christianity with liberty of conscience to al men.
Thus this wise legislature framed this great body of laws for a Christian country and Christian people….This is the Christianity of common law…thus it is irrefragably (undeniably) proved that the laws and institutions of this State are built on the foundation of reverence for Christianity. In this the Constitution of the United States has made no alteration nor in the great body of laws which was an incorporation of the common law doctrine of Christianity.
No free government now exists in the world unless where Christianity is acknowledged and is the religion of the country. Its foundations are broad and strong and deep…it is the purest system of morality, the firmest auxiliary, and the only stable support of all human laws.less
Thomas Jefferson wrote: Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and His God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, and that the legislature powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions…… Denominations worshipped differently according to their doctrines, and in many cases the founders, did not agree with the Catholic churches ...more
Thomas Jefferson wrote: Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and His God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, and that the legislature powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions……
Denominations worshipped differently according to their doctrines, and in many cases the founders, did not agree with the Catholic churches that man was accountable to priests, but that so long as the guiding principles of Christianity were taught our country would prosper. It was the freedom that peoples were free to worship the Christian God as dictated solely between man and his conscience in whatever Christian denomination they so chose.
The legislative branch then therefore reached the actions of people that were in error of the Christian general principles.less
Max, you are correct, it was Thomas Jefferson that wrote the letter to the Dansbury Baptists. I don’t know why I had John Adams stuck in my head. We can though recognize that each of the Founding Fathers had Christianity in mind as the guiding principles of our country. As in the 1853-54 House Judiciary Committee which stated; In this age there can be no substitute for Christianity; that, in...more
Max, you are correct, it was Thomas Jefferson that wrote the letter to the Dansbury Baptists. I don’t know why I had John Adams stuck in my head.
We can though recognize that each of the Founding Fathers had Christianity in mind as the guiding principles of our country. As in the 1853-54 House Judiciary Committee which stated; In this age there can be no substitute for Christianity; that, in its general principles, is the great conservative element on which we must rely for purity and permanence of free institutions. That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendents.less
John, thank you for recognizing separation of…was/is a concept. Although, the founders seem to have been more concerned with government meddling in religion (denominations) creating a national religion (denomination) as England had done. Most of their writings point to this concern. John Adams’ letter that referred to separation was to the Dansbury Baptists who were looking for assurance the g...more
John, thank you for recognizing separation of…was/is a concept. Although, the founders seem to have been more concerned with government meddling in religion (denominations) creating a national religion (denomination) as England had done. Most of their writings point to this concern. John Adams’ letter that referred to separation was to the Dansbury Baptists who were looking for assurance the government could not establish a national religion(denomination) or interfere. We have flipped this around to mean religion (denominations) cannot dictate public policy, which I agree with, although, the overriding religion (guiding principles) of the country at the time of its founding was Christianity (the Holy Bible). Christianity, not a particular denomination, was to drive public policy and keep its people virtuous. The 1853-1854 House Judiciary Committee report states this as well as many other old writings.less
gospelophilus, Perhaps, it is your delivery…..so, now I am ‘one of them’ and you tell me to ‘get a life? Are you willing to alienate even your brethren? Call sin, sin. Stand up for God’s Word. We can be angry, but we are also not to sin ourselves in the process. This is my heartfelt concern. Peace to you.
gospelophilus, it is very difficult to read your posts. Please, please try to be more civil. Christians are held to a higher standard, should we pull down that standard to be right? In the words of Paul; May it never be! I am sorry, but I had to say my peace.
Well, I think, we need to understand our importance to God’s plan for us. God has entrusted us to keep and pass on His Word to each generation. In the OT we recognize that God’s people were to also enforce God’ Word. Today, while we do not enforce God’s Word by exacting punishment (death), we are to stand on His Word and not falter. We are to be responsible to each other and be involved in...more
Well, I think, we need to understand our importance to God’s plan for us. God has entrusted us to keep and pass on His Word to each generation. In the OT we recognize that God’s people were to also enforce God’ Word. Today, while we do not enforce God’s Word by exacting punishment (death), we are to stand on His Word and not falter. We are to be responsible to each other and be involved in our brethren’s lives to ensure they are walking in Him and not veering off into sinful behavior. We are also charged with spreading His Word in the world so that they, too, will choose to no longer walk in sin, but be reunited with Him through Christ.less
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