When have I personally said anything to you that was hateful?

phoenix, you are absolutely correct that many have done horrible things in God’s name. Fred Phelps and the like are not the practicing Christian church folk I refer to. They are misguided, deplorable people using God’s name so offensively. These people are not the norm and any reasonable person recognizes that. I believe that the majority of church going folk can have differences with anyone w...more

phoenix, you are absolutely correct that many have done horrible things in God’s name. Fred Phelps and the like are not the practicing Christian church folk I refer to. They are misguided, deplorable people using God’s name so offensively. These people are not the norm and any reasonable person recognizes that. I believe that the majority of church going folk can have differences with anyone without ending in violence.less

No, actually I am saying that while some are sure, others are not. And attraction has little to do with who they have sex with. You seem to be arguing based on this notion that a person will only have sex with a person they are attracted to or are aroused by. Prostitutes will have sex regardless of attraction or in some cases even arousal.

phoenix, while many people are confidently sure by a physical response due to attraction who they are attracted to, there are those that does not necessarily apply to. Also, sometimes, attraction has nothing to do with sex.

There is order, yes, but more importantly a model of Christ and His Church. Christ established His Church through His death, burial and resurrection. We need to understand through our lives the significance. You may not like it or even believe it is archaic, oppressive, but it speaks to heart of understanding love and devotion. God gave Himself through Jesus to establish His Church, which is His b...more

There is order, yes, but more importantly a model of Christ and His Church. Christ established His Church through His death, burial and resurrection. We need to understand through our lives the significance. You may not like it or even believe it is archaic, oppressive, but it speaks to heart of understanding love and devotion. God gave Himself through Jesus to establish His Church, which is His bride for any and all that choose to love and devote themselves to Him. On a more singular idea, because now His Church, made up of individuals, not necessary ‘a people’ can understand this concept through marriage. The husband therefore is to take care of his wife, and because the wife recognizes his care for her, she loves and devotes herself to him. While Christ did not need to come to us, for mutual help and assurance, he did go to the Father. God and Christ working in mutual harmony as one, therefore the husband and wife are to work in mutual harmony as one.less

Godcares wrote: In our country, thousands of homosexuals people are killed, beaten, harassed by the Christian folks of America. If homosexuality is a sin does that justify beating, torturing, insulting, and using slurs to hurt them emotionally to change their ways No, nothing justifies violence. But, if we took a closer look at those acting out with such violence, one might see that the perpetrat...more

Godcares wrote: In our country, thousands of homosexuals people are killed, beaten, harassed by the Christian folks of America. If homosexuality is a sin does that justify beating, torturing, insulting, and using slurs to hurt them emotionally to change their ways
No, nothing justifies violence. But, if we took a closer look at those acting out with such violence, one might see that the perpetrators are not practicing Christian, church going folk.less

His anger got the best of him. I wonder if that rant got him booted again? Or if he just needing to take time to cool down?

Whoa, phoenix. You’re on pretty mean-spirited roll, there. And you have no idea that I have ever said anything to inflame hatred. Which, I have not.

The violence and taunting must stop. Agreed. And I agree with everhopeful, that no True believer would resort to this kind of behavior.

Agreed, and not the marriage God nor Jesus intends for the two. But, I would add to a man it is respect, to a woman it is love.

Also, just because a woman recognizes her husband as the head of the house and goes to him when in need, it does make her oppressed, but secure.

gd, While some marriages were arranged, we cannot assume they were all arranged against someone’s will or that a courtship period did not occur. We also cannot assume that all marriages, especially within God’s people were all arranged. We have accounts of father finding a wife for his son, sure. We also have accounts of men meeting a woman and falling in love with her and she him. At the tim...more

gd, While some marriages were arranged, we cannot assume they were all arranged against someone’s will or that a courtship period did not occur. We also cannot assume that all marriages, especially within God’s people were all arranged. We have accounts of father finding a wife for his son, sure. We also have accounts of men meeting a woman and falling in love with her and she him. At the time of Christ, we also cannot assume that arranged marriages were as commonplace and the meeting of a man and a woman did not occur and therefore a courtship did not lead to marriage.

Most a history, though, shows that in royalty/aristocracy the arranged and/or forced marriages were commonplace. Again, more outside God’s people than in.

But to your argument that in such a case a person cannot love another as a spouse. I disagree. Even in such a case a spouse can indeed fall in love with the other simply by who they are and how they are treated.

We are called to submit to each other in marriage and in brotherly love. We are called to serve each other, to take care of each other. So marriage is a partnership. A man will take of his wife needs, emotionally, physically, spiritually and so shall the wife take care of his.

A wife would have no need or desire to not submit, to not love and respect, or not be in agreement with her husband if he is loving her. But, if a wife selfishly rejects her husband’s love, then yes, it is sin.less

The idea of authority here has absolutely nothing to do with oppression. A man is not charged with controlling his wife, but rather treating her in a way that she can and does respect him. When a wife sees her husband being an amazing and effective father and friend, she is pleased and respects her husband. When a wife sees her husband has thoughtfully talked through with her on any given matter, ...more

The idea of authority here has absolutely nothing to do with oppression. A man is not charged with controlling his wife, but rather treating her in a way that she can and does respect him. When a wife sees her husband being an amazing and effective father and friend, she is pleased and respects her husband. When a wife sees her husband has thoughtfully talked through with her on any given matter, she respects her husband. When a wife sees her husband take care of a situation that she is feeling weak from or even ill-equipped to handle, she respects her husband. When a wife sees her husband smile at her just because or surprises her with flowers, she loves and respects her husband. A husband is charged with treating his wife in such a way that she voluntarily respects and adores him.less

There has not been confusion to the understanding of these verses until recently. The meaning of this verse has had the same understanding from Paul to the churches and the churches for centuries. Can you cite documents from the early church that indicates same-sex relationships or unions were a norm or accepted?

While we may see a progression in God’s revelation to His people throughout the Bible, it does not mean that God changed, just that He revealed Himself throughout time until Jesus.

No matter how many times you say it, you are still wrong. God and Jesus has never condoned either.

gd, did you actually just say that some things God or Jesus said you reject as evil?

gd, what (same-sex unions, as you call it) once occurred within portions of a particular culture and time, does not and has it ever been acceptable in the people of God. Can you cite any documents that within a Christian religion same-sex unions, of any kind, was a norm and accepted?

gd, When is it ever ok for an adult male to have sex with a boy? Even, you, yourself claim that such men are not normal. And again you cite behavior of people outside God's people.

Is there any documentation other than recently that shows the evidence that the first century church included homosexual believers as well as married homosexual couples. Is there any evidence in the second century, third? Spong is the father is this new teaching. Until Spong the churches taught and understood homosexuality to be against nature and thus God’s Law. How is it logically to conclude...more

Is there any documentation other than recently that shows the evidence that the first century church included homosexual believers as well as married homosexual couples. Is there any evidence in the second century, third? Spong is the father is this new teaching. Until Spong the churches taught and understood homosexuality to be against nature and thus God’s Law. How is it logically to conclude that every Christian religious group from the first century church to Spong had it wrong?less