Think maybe he decided to mend his ways? No? Didn't think so LOL.

hmmmm, notice that all writerJerome's messages below have disappeared? Looks like we're talking to ourselves guys, he's done flew the coop on this little line of comments.

Amer, I'm talking about relationships, as in "friends with benefits", cohabitation, polyamory, homosexuality, adultery, about anything you want, there are plenty around to say everything is relative, etc. etc. The moral environment has gotten pretty permissive as a whole. You don't need any kind of legal union to have pretty free rein in relationships.

Cultural christianity doesn't count wJ. And calling people who disagree with you haters is an easy out, and only a cop out.

Do you think Jesus is impressed by the worldly tide? Which by the way, is turning away from Him also.

Yeah Amer, and the study shows an increase of at least 2 to 3 times of homosexual kids in homosexual homes over what's in the population. You don't find this telling, I take it. That's a rather significant increase in this day and age of acceptance of anything goes in personal relationships, so I don't think you can pull the "if only they were accepted card", cuz it just doesn't fly today.

Is this supposed to show us that there are enough "numbers" to convince us that viewing homosexual adoption as unacceptable shows how backward and politically incorrect we remain in our views? If I were to post all the countries that considered homosexual relationships unlawful, would the fact that my numbers beat your numbers prove I am right?

wJ, everyone has an agenda. Read further, and you'll find him also saying that he hates it when people just take bits and pieces to prove what they want to. His purpose was to discover what the 10 sources he used were really saying. He was also interested in only using those people who stated that they were homosexual, instead of making assumptions. You're not going to accept anything that spe...more

wJ, everyone has an agenda. Read further, and you'll find him also saying that he hates it when people just take bits and pieces to prove what they want to. His purpose was to discover what the 10 sources he used were really saying. He was also interested in only using those people who stated that they were homosexual, instead of making assumptions. You're not going to accept anything that speaks against your lifestyle, you're so busy trying to justify it. But I think you know that there are also several confirmed homosexuals who have been trying desperately to find a biological source for it, and yet have not been able to. One that comes immediately to mind is Levay, who is also now admitting he can't find it. PS. Cameron, the same man who was the first to discover the second-hand-smoke health issue, has been discredited for not being PC on this issue; but he used 3 sources, Schumm 10.less

Here is a news story of a study recently completed on children of gay parents: ( http://www.aolnews.com/2010/10/17/study-gay-parents-more-likely-to-have-gay-kids/ )

Todd, do you mean that you think Christianity sets the stage for hate from the beginning? I'm not getting you I guess....,..in what way?

Todd, thanks for the extra points, now don't forget they are there LOL. Now, for the rest -- yes and no. We are all personally responsible for ourselves, our decisions, our actions. This is true in our family, in our jobs, in our world in general, and to God. The Bible tells us that we are to test all things -- in other words, not to just blindly believe what someone else says because of pur...more

Todd, thanks for the extra points, now don't forget they are there LOL. Now, for the rest -- yes and no.

We are all personally responsible for ourselves, our decisions, our actions. This is true in our family, in our jobs, in our world in general, and to God. The Bible tells us that we are to test all things -- in other words, not to just blindly believe what someone else says because of purported authority for instance, such as a "pastor". But discernment does not just grab us by the throat and force itself upon us, it is grown into. It is grown into by study and prayer, through that relationship with God. Like all knowledge, it requires us to seek it. Paul tells us that we need to go from babes who drink milk to grown ups who eat meat -- the process of maturing and discerning. We are also told that fellowship is important for many reasons (pretty logical progression), and that those with authority (pastors, for instance) are held to a high standard and accountable. To be accountable to God is no joke. Still, we are accountable, also personally, to God, for our relationship with Him. In other words following blindly, just because someone "said so", is not acceptable. That's where a baby starts, but then that baby grows and starts developing the ability to seek, to sift. But what is the filter we sift through? It is the Bible, on our knees, not with presupposition, but with openness. And that's where we so often go wrong. Either we are looking to justify an agenda, or we are not seeking on our knees. The human condition I'm afraid. THAT's what we need to guard against, and it's a process. Which is why I say don't judge too harshly, because growing in Christ is not an overnight phenomena, but rather a process.less

So, in short, you think I've been brainwashed and am operating under my programming. Would that be a valid statement?

Todd, you said "When these (and many other charities) provide their service, it's always told to people this is provided to you by god. There are never any acts provided by religious based charities that are just to help...they always come with the message. Genius on the part of the religion, develop Charity to create a way to continue to influence people." Now, this certainly seems to say that...more

Todd, you said "When these (and many other charities) provide their service, it's always told to people this is provided to you by god. There are never any acts provided by religious based charities that are just to help...they always come with the message. Genius on the part of the religion, develop Charity to create a way to continue to influence people."

Now, this certainly seems to say that there is subterfuge in the giving, ergo
"diabolical plot" behind the giving.

The Red Cross isn't a Christian organization. All their people on the ground are volunteers. In my small town, they are pretty much all there is. As a matter of fact, we just had a pretty large fire, fire stations responded from even across the border. The Red Cross came and set up a kitchen in a school and fed all those fire fighters. Some of those volunteers are Christians, some are atheists, and everything in between. Because some are Christian doesn't make it a Christian organization.

Todd, quit repeating the mantra about being "taught" we must do such and such to be a good Christian. You seem to think that we are robots fulfilling some kind of programming. Does it occur to you that some speak of God because they are excited about Him? Just as you would speak of something that you believed in fully and that was exciting to you. Where in the world did you get such a negative view of Christianity?

My father called himself a Catholic, but if I was to judge Christianity by him I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it. Christianity doesn't have value because of the people who call themselves that, but rather by who Christ is. Humans are weak, imperfect people, subject to bad habits and good, full of good intentions and bad deeds. Strictly human. Very imperfect. It is through Christ that we are enabled to slowly but surely change the bad to good, through His strength. The growth never ends, it is ongoing. But the strength we get is through Him. That makes it real change, piece by piece. And we are still changing until we die. Don't expect perfect, we will never be.less

Todd, Well, I did think you were younger than 40, but I'm still old enough to be your mother, so I get extra points for longer living LOL. Yes, information is power, but receiving information is not the same as discerning truth. Just as bigger is not always better, newer is not necessarily more true. Becoming an adult and, hopefully, maturing should teach us how to better sift out the truth...more

Todd, Well, I did think you were younger than 40, but I'm still old enough to be your mother, so I get extra points for longer living LOL.

Yes, information is power, but receiving information is not the same as discerning truth. Just as bigger is not always better, newer is not necessarily more true. Becoming an adult and, hopefully, maturing should teach us how to better sift out the truth. Learning shouldn't end until we are done on this earth, because it is required for growth (and besides, it is just plan fun). However, this being said, there are certain things that, once you learn them, and obtain the "wisdom" from them, they color your life; and becoming a child of God is life changing, Life changing in that you now have a firm base on which to grow, a base that doesn't stumble, doesn't falter, doesn't change it's mind from year to year or day to day based on cultural whims. A firm basis that is loving and forgiving, and yet is challenging and expectant of growth.

My mother raised us as Catholic, but going to church and coming to Christ are not synonimous. I did not find Him until late in my twenties, and I was not looking for Him when I found Him. And the more I grow in Him the more I realize how right He is. It's not religion Todd, that's what the Pharisees had. It's a heart love story, a striving because of that love, a following because of that love relationship. It's a very personal one-on-one connection. And because of that, it's a knowing, not a blind list of rules and regs. Hard to explain to someone who isn't there, who doesn't know. No religion for me thank you, just Christ.less

Well, be that as it may ....... just thought you might be interested in knowing that courts have defined some things as a religion based on that "second" definition you all have been discussing.

steve, you're being naughty tonight.

Todd, no, He didn't "set the stage at the beginning" about hate, at that point it was more like at the ending, and that's what He was addressing. He wasn't setting a stage, He was addressing an issue. They were already experiencing it, and Jesus knew they would be experiencing much more of it, in His death and the coming experiences of the apostles and, subsequently, their martyrdom. That's why...more

Todd, no, He didn't "set the stage at the beginning" about hate, at that point it was more like at the ending, and that's what He was addressing. He wasn't setting a stage, He was addressing an issue. They were already experiencing it, and Jesus knew they would be experiencing much more of it, in His death and the coming experiences of the apostles and, subsequently, their martyrdom. That's why I said you need to do a little more reading to understand it.

Todd, the reality is that there are several posters that come to this site just to annoy Christians, and at least one that has openly admitted the "annoy" part. As Christians, we are all at different places in our walk with Christ, and some are more susceptible to this type of thing than others. It shouldn't be that way, but we are all sinners just the same and we all admit it. You are on a conservative Christian site when you come here -- there are plenty of other sites that are not. In any case, you are going to get conservative, Bible based postings here, and most of us conservative Christians as pretty Bible literate, as we strive towards God's Word. A lot of the regulars are just pretty tired of the same-old same-old from the "adversaries", and that is what you are experiencing. Don't mean to make excuses for it, just trying to explain what you are seeing (and getting too tired to make a very good job of it I think!!).less

Rep, apparently it was. The binding is on the left, and there is english on the front.

jb, just curious here. Do you live on a budget at your house?

jb, the deficit for just this year is almost 1.7 TRILLION bucks. What is 33 million against that, even 100 million is less than a drop in the bucket. I don't think anyone's grandstanding here, but I wish someone would scream bloody murder because it's way past time we started actually living inside a budget. The US can't exactly file a Title 7 and say oh well, better luck next time. So no, the...more

jb, the deficit for just this year is almost 1.7 TRILLION bucks. What is 33 million against that, even 100 million is less than a drop in the bucket. I don't think anyone's grandstanding here, but I wish someone would scream bloody murder because it's way past time we started actually living inside a budget. The US can't exactly file a Title 7 and say oh well, better luck next time. So no, the dems haven't given a reasonable cut, they've basically given nothing. Do the math.less