And going to church doesn't make you a Christian.

Lots of people go to church, that doesn't mean you learned who God is at that church.

Sounds like gd I'm afraid. Sad.

I didn't call you a troll. What is a "really hard core christian"?

And now we have the old "does your wife know...poor wife" bit. Aww, I can just see all the love pouring out. What happened to all the stuff about "we just want to be left alone to .........." So, why don't you leave others alone to make their own choices?

And those people like you who are always trying to justify your claim that your homosexuality is innate and cannot be changed, do it by claiming that others are only faking a change. You cannot justify your choices by denying others the right to theirs. You may wish to believe that change is impossible, but it is not true, and deep down you're afraid that you really know it.

We don't "convert" -- it's the Holy Spirit's job to convict. Let me ask you something. How much of the Bible have you read?

IAm, if you don't believe in the Bible, then why have you come to a Christian site? Christians are going to talk to you about the Bible and what it says about God's plan for man, they are going to quote from God's word. God's Word says that Jesus is God, that He came to deliver man from sin by dying in his place, that He has a plan and expectations for His created beings, and that He gives a way...more

IAm, if you don't believe in the Bible, then why have you come to a Christian site? Christians are going to talk to you about the Bible and what it says about God's plan for man, they are going to quote from God's word. God's Word says that Jesus is God, that He came to deliver man from sin by dying in his place, that He has a plan and expectations for His created beings, and that He gives a way out of all sin. Not just some, but all sin. If you want us to say that homosexuality is fine with God, you're not going to hear that from most of us. You're also not going to hear hate from most of us. Saying something is against what God has ordained is not hate.less

I am sorry about your pain. Others have experienced similar situations. And many have spoken of asking God to fix it. But you know, at the risk of sounding like I don't care, I have to point out that crying out is just the first step. Though God can and does hear our pleas, in order for Him to begin a work in you, you must first give yourself to Him. We all, and I mean ALL, have areas in our l...more

I am sorry about your pain. Others have experienced similar situations. And many have spoken of asking God to fix it. But you know, at the risk of sounding like I don't care, I have to point out that crying out is just the first step. Though God can and does hear our pleas, in order for Him to begin a work in you, you must first give yourself to Him. We all, and I mean ALL, have areas in our lives that seem ingrained, that are terrible struggles. My whole family tends towards alcoholism, my spouse's family is entrenched in great anger issues. I am not trying to belittle what your are saying, but rather saying instead that humans are subject to many things that our Creator never intended, and saying they are just a part of us is simply saying that we have no choices. But God says differently.less

I don't know about your experience, you haven't said one way or the other. But Max has, so I don't think you can automatically call him closed minded on the subject. He's been on both sides, it seems to me that that gives him extra authority in the area of underlying cause-and-effect. And yes, humans can do lots of things -- I was addressing your comments on the Malthusian Theory and your state...more

I don't know about your experience, you haven't said one way or the other. But Max has, so I don't think you can automatically call him closed minded on the subject. He's been on both sides, it seems to me that that gives him extra authority in the area of underlying cause-and-effect. And yes, humans can do lots of things -- I was addressing your comments on the Malthusian Theory and your statement that that theory accounts for homosexuality. However, homosexuality exists, and has existed, not because it's natural, but rather because man believes in a "if it feels good, do it" mentality. It's part in "nature" as you put it, is in animals, it is not generally a common behavior, and is usually associated with things like dominance, animalistic pheremone responses, and the like.less

Well then IAm, the Romans must have needed population control, plus many before and many after. Was population control needed way back then? You asked him, he is giving you his take. And, I might add, since he's "been there, done that", he might have something to say relevant to the subject of homosexuality.

wj, for you to compare ANYTHING relative to gays with the Jewish people and the horror of Hitler is outrageous. Comparing yourselves to the black civil rights issue is crazy enough, but to even suggest that your situation bears even the slightest resemblance to the extermination of millions of people whose only crime was to be jewish is unspeakable.

nummie, it looks like you've finally succumbed to that old bugga-boo....judging. You do ascribe to that "judge not lest ye be judged", I believe. At least, that is what I THINK the things you write are saying.

Well, I've just got to say you must have an amazing memory!!! Thanks for the answer.

JB = "1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Yes Prophet, the Bible DOES use the word "sin" with a particular action which you would know if you had actually read the Bible.". Now, I just have to ask.....now be honest JB.....did you just happen to have 1Sam 15:23 memorized, or did you have to do a Bible word search. (just like all ...more

JB = "1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Yes Prophet, the Bible DOES use the word "sin" with a particular action which you would know if you had actually read the Bible.". Now, I just have to ask.....now be honest JB.....did you just happen to have 1Sam 15:23 memorized, or did you have to do a Bible word search. (just like all the rest of us Bible readers would have had to do for this kind of thing)less

I did look it up; seems that LDS is around 60%, Catholic below 10%. http://www.gallup.com/poll/122075/religious-identity-states-differ-widely.aspx http://www.utah-faiths.org/pluralism/utah_religious_statistics.htm http://www.onlineutah.com/religion.shtml

Acushla, they didn't vote against it, they abstained. If they had voted against it then the measure would not have been approved.

Proving it doesn't work with you gd. When we prove the things we're saying you just keep stubbornly repeating the same views over and over. You're not much interested in anything other than hearing yourself talk, it would seem.

Well gd, you've gone from "Pais does not refer to an adult in any way. It means child.", to "It certainly does not exclude it. In the context of a centurion, it is the best fit." Do you truly not see the bias you are presenting?

and Luke uses duolos, want to turn that into a child lover too?