The public's the public, the school's the public, no difference. And there are many that would disagree with "This statement is meant to cover all religions so as to not provide preferential treatment to any one religion, to show The United States as being open to all religions." For instance, atheists. And the originators of the motto. You are aware, aren't you, that in our infant years, wh...more

The public's the public, the school's the public, no difference. And there are many that would disagree with "This statement is meant to cover all religions so as to not provide preferential treatment to any one religion, to show The United States as being open to all religions." For instance, atheists. And the originators of the motto.

You are aware, aren't you, that in our infant years, when our government was being formed, our Congress had prayers before every session, and they had church in the self same building? And that Thomas Jefferson set up a curriculum that was Bible based, and that all schools used the Bible in the schools for reading, english, and even math? And that was okay then, but not now, eh? If the constitution was being written today, what a hodge-podge of vaguary we would have.less

So would you disagree with a tax break for someone giving to the Red Cross? Should the rule change if you gave it to the Salvation Army instead? Likewise there are many types of private schools; if it qualifies as an accredited school, that should be the only criteria for tax breaks.

Okay, I understand. I was referring to those same tax dollars, collected by way of property tax, apportioned to students in like manner whether it be public or private. If the money is collected to educate our kids, the only thing that should matter is that their education is adequate, which can be determined through testing processes.

Amen Kay, you've put it beautifully. God bless you.

Actually Todd, the debate is about you saying that "in God we trust" is okay because it covers all religion, whereas "Heavenly Father" does not. In actuality the majority of people by far believe in some kind of "higher power", called God or god or something that means the same thing, and just about all of those people think of that power as a father-type. Of course, there's no such thing as 100...more

Actually Todd, the debate is about you saying that "in God we trust" is okay because it covers all religion, whereas "Heavenly Father" does not. In actuality the majority of people by far believe in some kind of "higher power", called God or god or something that means the same thing, and just about all of those people think of that power as a father-type. Of course, there's no such thing as 100% of people "for" any single thing, that's for sure!! But if "God" is okay on our coinage, then the synonym "Heavenly Father" should be an acceptable equivalent.less

Todd, I'm not sure we are speaking of the same thing here. The property tax money we pay goes to the public school fund, and the schools get a daily stipend for each student that is there on any given day. If something like this was allowed for private schools, it would be relegated on the same basis to them. Are you speaking of private contributions that are tax deductible? Because that is a ...more

Todd, I'm not sure we are speaking of the same thing here. The property tax money we pay goes to the public school fund, and the schools get a daily stipend for each student that is there on any given day. If something like this was allowed for private schools, it would be relegated on the same basis to them. Are you speaking of private contributions that are tax deductible? Because that is a different issue.less

Todd, so you can't tell me which religions, specifically, that believe in God wouldn't think he's a father that lives in heavenly places. However, you feel sure that someone, somewhere, might object to Him being called the father. Do I understand you correctly?

Todd, just which of these private schools of ANY religion don't teach good ole reading, riting, and rithmetic? We're speaking of K-12 here, obviously.

hmmmm -- just which religions that use "God" don't think He's a father that resides in heavenly places?

Todd, how does "Heavenly Father" differ from "God", as far as covering all religions go?

Ethan, that's how it is in all the states, I believe. That's why a tuition reimbursement program for kids who go to private school should be instituted utilizing that same tax money. That way we would have some choices about it, and it would be an incentive for the school systems to get their acts together.

Yep, easily made, but still, just a tiny dent. It won't even begin to stop runaway deficits.

A banner that has been up since 1963......all this time and it's only now considered so terribly offensive. You know, I bet most of those kids didn't pay any real attention to it until this lawsuit. By this girl's language, it would seem that she expects that hurting her sensibilities by way of this banner and because the meeting did not do what she wanted that she is the only one who should be ...more

A banner that has been up since 1963......all this time and it's only now considered so terribly offensive. You know, I bet most of those kids didn't pay any real attention to it until this lawsuit. By this girl's language, it would seem that she expects that hurting her sensibilities by way of this banner and because the meeting did not do what she wanted that she is the only one who should be heard here. Perhaps if "offense" and "opinion" is the criteria (as she seems to think it is), a vote of the students would be in order.less

Does the person who disagrees not like balanced budgets?

This is just nuts. It's like saying I have a household budget of $2,000 a month, I'm spending $3,000 a month, so I'll just plan on decreasing my spending by 2% and call it good! One of the things we need to seriously consider is replacing the federal reserve bank as our "money printer", as this system is an automatic debt producer. It would take a LOT of work to do this, but the government ne...more

This is just nuts. It's like saying I have a household budget of $2,000 a month, I'm spending $3,000 a month, so I'll just plan on decreasing my spending by 2% and call it good! One of the things we need to seriously consider is replacing the federal reserve bank as our "money printer", as this system is an automatic debt producer. It would take a LOT of work to do this, but the government needs to set up our own printing process, not pay a private banking system to manipulate the economy and reward private bankers with our hard earned dollars. Either that, or reduce our actual spending to way below receipts in order to allow for this guaranteed debt production.less

You know, evang, I agree with everything you have said below. What I do not agree with is that women are to be totally silent in the church. Isn't this what you have been saying?

evang, are you stating that a woman must keep her head covered in her home? Because that is the only way to justify what you are saying here. Paul also says that a woman's hair is given her for a covering. No, you are incorrectly limiting this passage to make it match your notion that women should be seen and not heard. You assume that because we disagree with you that we are political liber...more

evang, are you stating that a woman must keep her head covered in her home? Because that is the only way to justify what you are saying here. Paul also says that a woman's hair is given her for a covering. No, you are incorrectly limiting this passage to make it match your notion that women should be seen and not heard.

You assume that because we disagree with you that we are political liberals. That's quite a stretch. No, rather it is clear that Paul was addressing issues in the church where certain women were attempting to usurp the authority of the men, not that he was saying the women should sit like bumps on a log, but rather that they should be under authority to their husbands as the men are under authority to Christ, and as Christ is under authority to God. If being under authority means to be silent, then the men, and even Christ, should be silent, and only God should be speaking. And I'm sure you don't mean that!less

My Dear Evangelistluthe, 1Cor 11:5 is also God's word. It supports certain activities of women in church. I am not attempting to suggest that a woman's role in the church would include that of a pastor, as I find nothing in scripture that would support that. However, in order to support your statement that total silence is the only proper role for a woman in church, what do you do with 1Cor 1...more

My Dear Evangelistluthe, 1Cor 11:5 is also God's word. It supports certain activities of women in church.

I am not attempting to suggest that a woman's role in the church would include that of a pastor, as I find nothing in scripture that would support that. However, in order to support your statement that total silence is the only proper role for a woman in church, what do you do with 1Cor 11:5? That is also part of the Bible. Is it to be ignored as if it is not there?less

2theotherside, I agree with your point about Jones. But there seems to be many people who are still trying to convince themselves that Islam is no threat, that if we just remain "tolerant" and make nice that they will leave us alone. That's pretty crazy, considering their track record.

evang, 1Cor 11:5 is part of the revealed word, and it indicates that women praying and prophesying in church doesn't seem to be an issue. I agree with wrhalver, rather than inconsistency, I see a more complete picture by compiling scripture on this subject. The Bible does make it clear that women are to be under the authority of their husbands, as the husbands are under the authority of Christ....more

evang, 1Cor 11:5 is part of the revealed word, and it indicates that women praying and prophesying in church doesn't seem to be an issue. I agree with wrhalver, rather than inconsistency, I see a more complete picture by compiling scripture on this subject. The Bible does make it clear that women are to be under the authority of their husbands, as the husbands are under the authority of Christ. That is not the same as not being involved in the church.less