Here is a story about suicide bombers who blew up a shrine of fellow Islamists' in Pakistan, because they belong to the wrong sect. Those of you arguing that Jones was the sole cause of the violence in Afghanistan, how do you explain this? ( http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/04/201143135459413814.html ) Just for the record, I do not believe Jones' act was in line with biblical pr...more

Here is a story about suicide bombers who blew up a shrine of fellow Islamists' in Pakistan, because they belong to the wrong sect. Those of you arguing that Jones was the sole cause of the violence in Afghanistan, how do you explain this? ( http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/04/201143135459413814.html )

Just for the record, I do not believe Jones' act was in line with biblical principles. Be that as it may, when are we going to face the fact that Islam does not need any reasonable excuses for their behavior, that in following their credo they are called to wage war on infidels. Even within their own numbers the different sects call each other infidels. Nothing we do, or don't do, will change their aims. The religion of "peace" aims to see the world belong to Islam, and infidels submit or die. It's in their "sacred" books and writings, and when the imam calls for jihad they must respond.less

No evang, I am simply asking how 1Cor 11:5 correlates with your assertation that women should be totally silent in church.

evang, would you please look then at 1cor 11:5, as these women were praying and prophesying in the church, and Paul simply tells these believers that she must cover her head.

Let me inform you of something -- when HIV/aids was first diagnosed and we began understanding this disease, it wasn't know to us as "the gay man's disease". It was known as being a disease prevalent in the homosexual population, because that's where it was. That helped identify the segment that was in desperate need of education, because that disease HAS NO CURE. "Toxic" to acknowledge that yo...more

Let me inform you of something -- when HIV/aids was first diagnosed and we began understanding this disease, it wasn't know to us as "the gay man's disease". It was known as being a disease prevalent in the homosexual population, because that's where it was. That helped identify the segment that was in desperate need of education, because that disease HAS NO CURE. "Toxic" to acknowledge that you say? Not hardly, in the health profession. WE don't care if the need is in the gay population, the pediatric population, or the Martian population -- it's only relevant for care needs, education, and any special needs associated due to that. That's the kind of thing that "REAL health professionals" know. When you've been in the profession as long as I have, then you can talk to me about these things. In the meantime, I know so much more about it then you ever will, in spite of google. So get over it.

And by the way, I was practicing "universal precautions" before you were born, literally. It was basically HIV/aids that brought that general concept into a full-blown definitive, named procedure. But in our profession, that general concept was practiced on a daily basis as a routine health precaution in health settings like hospitals and clinics.

And as far as MRSA goes, you need to do some more googling. Some of our hardest battles have involved this nasty staph bacteria. It is truly a scourge. But then, googling hasn't banished your ignorance in this area, obviously.

You are not interested in gaining true insight and knowledge, you are interested in looking for things to back your causes, for ammunition to prove your superiority. As long as that is all you pursue, you will lose out on true wisdom. I pity you for your narrow views, your inability to see beyond your biases, your insistence on appearing all-knowing. You are the loser in all of that.less

gd, you're talking out of your ear. What do you know about "real health professionals". Nothing. Of COURSE we say a disease is in one demographic population, if it IS. WE know a lot more about it's ability to spread than YOU do, how it spreads, and how to prevent it. You can continue all you want to deny the fact that there are special health problems in distinct groupings of the population -...more

gd, you're talking out of your ear. What do you know about "real health professionals". Nothing. Of COURSE we say a disease is in one demographic population, if it IS. WE know a lot more about it's ability to spread than YOU do, how it spreads, and how to prevent it. You can continue all you want to deny the fact that there are special health problems in distinct groupings of the population -- in which case, I'm most certainly glad you are not a member of our profession. In reading your posts, it is apparent that you have some pretty amazing biases in an amazing number of areas. You think that you can google a subject and, presto! you're an expert on the subject! I've caught you more than once using an article that in the main actually argues against the point you're are insisting upon, but you never even studied the article so you didn't know that, because you honed in on a statement and just used that. Google does not make you an instant expert, but you apparently have yet to discover that.

You are a good example of why people so seldom give out personal information on this site. You use it to denigrate and belittle, all for the purpose of making yourself appear as some intelligent guru who has the answers to everything. You need to grow up and quit thinking you are so superior to everyone else.less

Clover, just saw your message below. What a wonderful gift you received from God, praise His name!. I had a friend who went through something similar, sufferred through miscarriage after miscarriage, finally adopted a little girl who became my daughter's best friend. Children are a blessing.

gd, abstinence education should begin in the home, and it begins with the teaching of self discipline. We are not animals that cannot control our impulses. Teaching kids "all the other stuff" comes very naturally, as it's all around them. You teach your kids to bring all their questions home, and you answer them honestly and forthrightly. As for vasectomy, there will never be a l00% rever...more

gd, abstinence education should begin in the home, and it begins with the teaching of self discipline. We are not animals that cannot control our impulses. Teaching kids "all the other stuff" comes very naturally, as it's all around them. You teach your kids to bring all their questions home, and you answer them honestly and forthrightly.

As for vasectomy, there will never be a l00% reversal rate. You never answered if you know what the vas deferens is, but it's a very tiny tube, and trying to reanastamose that little tube can certainly end up in blockage, due to scar tissue for one reason. Currently, I'm not sure what the reversal rate is, but reversal is possible for sure, and is accomplished pretty frequently. It is certainly not recommended as a temporary birth control measure, it is after all surgery, though considered a minor surgical procedure.less

It's probably sufficient to say that a greatly reduced gene pool results in a greater probability of the incidence of congenital defects. That would be a true statement.

Well gd, you're just proving my point. All this political correct garbage is getting in the way of educating the gay population about their own particular problems. Because the health specific problems of gays no longer have a term to identify them, they are extremely hard to get information on, which is of great deteriment to that very same population. It's homophobic of me to use a term to ge...more

Well gd, you're just proving my point. All this political correct garbage is getting in the way of educating the gay population about their own particular problems. Because the health specific problems of gays no longer have a term to identify them, they are extremely hard to get information on, which is of great deteriment to that very same population. It's homophobic of me to use a term to get information, when that term was used for so long? Pahh.....I say it's homophobic that we don't use SOME term, ANY term, to help the gays find good sources for their special health needs. I couldn't care less where the information is found, all I care about is that accurate information CAN be found. You couldn't find it -- so quit your griping.

I did not say that some of these diseases are not curable. I said some are found only in the gay population, i.e. LGV. Here in the states, it is in the gay population. Only.

Perhaps you need to read up more on MRSA. Very nasty stuff, found as a nosocomial infection particularly in hospitals for many many years, is generally very difficult to get rid of as it has become very antibiotic resistant. Found in gays in cavities that it is NOT found in non gays. You apparently don't think this is a problem.

I spent a lot of time getting this information for you. If you wish to push it off as unimportant, making excuses in order to justify your stance, have at it. Ignorance is bliss, and to underscore the peculiar problems of incidence in hugely disproportionate amounts in the gay population is to add to their health issues, not help it. You know, I was working in a hospital when HIV/aids was first discovered, and it was peculiar to the homosexual population. To this day, the incidence of new cases is still greatly weighed in the MSM population, as is syphillis, gonnerhea, hepatitis, and many many more. Closing our eyes to this fact of life is tragic. You can either be part of the problem or part of the cure. Quit erecting road blocks, open your eyes, admit the health problems are there, because ignoring them will not make them disappear.

And one further note. If HIV information was suppressed back in the 80's due to an idea such as this one: "Medical Bias in the Health Care of Gay Men (1999), saying that "gay bowel syndrome has been, and remains today, a powerful tool for the specific surveillance, regulation, definition, medicalization, identification, and fragmentation of gay men's bodies" , how truly devastating the results of that cover up would have been.less

Okay then, own up. You made a mistake in stating that incestuous relationships resulted in disease, as you misunderstood the terminology you were quoting to make your argument. I mean well, do I......you, whippersnapper, have a lot to learn. I'll let you know when I start getting grey hair, and THEN you can call me elder. (But I have to warn you, seems like I'm blessed with genes for non-gre...more

Okay then, own up. You made a mistake in stating that incestuous relationships resulted in disease, as you misunderstood the terminology you were quoting to make your argument.

I mean well, do I......you, whippersnapper, have a lot to learn. I'll let you know when I start getting grey hair, and THEN you can call me elder. (But I have to warn you, seems like I'm blessed with genes for non-grey hair, so this may take quite a while!)less

Abstinence is 100% effective. If sperm does not meet egg, you have no pregnancy. If someone is pregnant, they did not practice abstinence.

Uh gd, they are pretty easily reversed, it's done all the time. The disadvantage, however, is that it's a surgical procedure, done on a little bitty tube like affair (see, I TOLD you I know), and no surgical procedure it treated lightly because there is no such thing as a surgical procedure without risks. However, the same is more or less true for drugs. Sigh-h-h-h, takes us right back to absti...more

Uh gd, they are pretty easily reversed, it's done all the time. The disadvantage, however, is that it's a surgical procedure, done on a little bitty tube like affair (see, I TOLD you I know), and no surgical procedure it treated lightly because there is no such thing as a surgical procedure without risks. However, the same is more or less true for drugs. Sigh-h-h-h, takes us right back to abstinence as the only 100% cure once again.less

gd, didn't realize how often I had said I know more than you. Though it is undoubtedly true in most areas, being as how I have lived so many more years than you have, still.......and for that I apologize. Now, do you even know what and where the vas deferens is? Well, I bet I know more about that then you do!!! LOL sorry, couldn't resist. Hormonal methods just might make some guys a little...more

gd, didn't realize how often I had said I know more than you. Though it is undoubtedly true in most areas, being as how I have lived so many more years than you have, still.......and for that I apologize.

Now, do you even know what and where the vas deferens is? Well, I bet I know more about that then you do!!! LOL sorry, couldn't resist. Hormonal methods just might make some guys a little bit antsy, seeing as how it would drastically reduce the old virility.

How about we don't forget the age-old 100% effective idea of abstinence also. I know I know, nobody is expected to really practice THAT idea. But you must admit, it does work!less

Well New, it is true that for the most part they are easily reversible. Guess you would have to convince them though.

gd, I was asking for it on "human animals", who are supposed to be rather higher up on the evolutionary scale, aren't they? You know, intelligence, ability to reason, morals. In other words, who don't respond just to rutting instincts.

gd, one of the things that I find so heartbreaking in all this political correctness over the gay issues is that it has become so very very hard to find good health information relative to homosexual issues. You used to be able to google terms that are now "verbotem" because of this, and actually FIND the facts. A huge disservice to homosexuals, because it actually compounds the health problems....more

gd, one of the things that I find so heartbreaking in all this political correctness over the gay issues is that it has become so very very hard to find good health information relative to homosexual issues. You used to be able to google terms that are now "verbotem" because of this, and actually FIND the facts. A huge disservice to homosexuals, because it actually compounds the health problems. So, while so many just love to call us all kinds of names, the reality is that for most of us, we do care.

Okay, here's a few, don't have time for more (and some of them I know of you all would flat out reject, preferring to think bias is involved, so I'm not posting those).

Some general: ( http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm ); ( http://conservapedia.com/Gay_bowel_syndrome ).

General from center that specializes in homosexuality community:
( http://www.fenwayhealth.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FCHC_wel_wellness_home ).

Specific to one particularly problem disease:

( http://www.fenwayhealth.org/site/DocServer/1-15-08_MRSA_early_release_patient_summary.pdf?docID=3182 )

Only found in MSM:

( http://www.fenwayhealth.org/site/News2?abbr=FCHC_srv_&page=NewsArticle&id=5403 )less

wJ -- "and increasingly evidence is mounting that the same is true of homosexual orientation in animals, including the human animal". Could you post a link to this information please.

"Fixing poverty"??" Ah, the old welfare thing, or is it socialism? Look gd, there are jillions of programs to educate, to send people to school to increase skills to increase earning power, to make available birth control options. But the mindset is that abortion is somehow easier. Certainly, getting educated takes some work; can't force a work ethic, need to teach it and model it. Yep,...more

"Fixing poverty"??" Ah, the old welfare thing, or is it socialism? Look gd, there are jillions of programs to educate, to send people to school to increase skills to increase earning power, to make available birth control options. But the mindset is that abortion is somehow easier. Certainly, getting educated takes some work; can't force a work ethic, need to teach it and model it.

Yep, I know quite a bit about the prison system, my spouse has worked in it for 17 years now......bet i know more than you about it!

You don't teach your son repression. I see. Does this mean you let him kick you? I'm a grandmother, I know more than you do about what toddlers understand, had quite a bit of experience at it. Though I'm a firm believer at teaching reasons, etc., the reality is that until kids are able to learn to set limits on themselves, it is the parents responsibility to set the limits for them. That is what a parent does -- he teaches, and then holds the child responsible. The world certainly will when he grows up, better for them to learn self discipline and problem solving skills at home, by far. "Train up the child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it".less

Google it gd, for the sole purpose that you will remember the information much better if you do so yourself. I am not spouting garbage here, it is in fact true. And as far as your statement that homosexual disease rates are decreasing, you have been told many times to go the CDC site to find that HIV/aids is increasing. And that is just one of the issues, also the easiest to find data on. ...more

Google it gd, for the sole purpose that you will remember the information much better if you do so yourself. I am not spouting garbage here, it is in fact true. And as far as your statement that homosexual disease rates are decreasing, you have been told many times to go the CDC site to find that HIV/aids is increasing. And that is just one of the issues, also the easiest to find data on.

Being in the medical profession, I abhor misleading information that covers up health facts. My priority will always be to educate to address health issues, but certain behaviors just flat out guarantee increased health problems, and you can't force people to take issues seriously that they would rather deny. Tolerance will never, in and of itself, solve these kinds of issues, that is a smoke screen. Go look at the statistics for the Netherlands and then tell me you still believe that it's all just so simple. Would that it were.less

gd, you just love to argue don't ya; excuse me, "debate" in your terminology. I will make an effort to use CAPS or " " marks in the future to ease your understanding, since you find this so difficult. In the meantime, perhaps a little work on cognition might help you.......along with dealing on some denial issues you seem to have. Learn to own up to your behavior and the statements you make (...more

gd, you just love to argue don't ya; excuse me, "debate" in your terminology.

I will make an effort to use CAPS or " " marks in the future to ease your understanding, since you find this so difficult. In the meantime, perhaps a little work on cognition might help you.......along with dealing on some denial issues you seem to have. Learn to own up to your behavior and the statements you make (I am referring to the whole incestuous sex and disease issue here, in order to spare the embarassment of this statement on a discussion above much more likely to be read). I mean it when I say you are so quick to say something that you make a lot of errors you are then refusing to retract, as if other people don't see that for what it is. I mean this, believe it or not, in a positive way. If you truly want to look at your beliefs for their validity, then do just that, and own up when you find you've been "caught". And yes, I am in the medical profession, I am an RN, and I'm plenty old enough to be your mother.less