Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' and Religious Liberty Can't Coexist

Grace2 »

Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

garageguy

Matt 7:1 - "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

Everything you say about Christians can be said about you.

Why do you post at CP anyway? Why don't you go to a site that have people that think like you? It would give you less heart burn.

Why Same-Sex 'Marriage' and Religious Liberty Can't Coexist

Grace2 »

Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

>>>...judgmental, pompous adults ...somehow sickly proud of it...<<<

Sounds like the homosexuals who post on CP.

Gay Penguins Tale Tops List of 'Challenged' Books for 3rd Year

Grace2 »

Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

>>>The people who feel they are able to judge whomever they choose without being judged themselves need to be put in their place.<<<

It applies to you as well Mike.

Creation Institute Sues Texas Edu Agency Over Alleged Discrimination

Grace2 »

Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

michael-j are you the same guy who has posted under all kinds of names like pro-science, oldguy, Jerry2, Dwen, Howard, ccccc, ERV, asdfg, xxxx, yyyy, and etc?

'Apostles of Comedy' Set Off on 2nd Nat'l Tour

Grace2 »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

God has given David Wilkerson a vision about a coming catastrophe to USA soil. It will affect New York City, and many other large cities across our nation. See these two WorldNetDaily articles detailing this imminent catastrophe and how to prepare for it.

Famed pastor predicts imminent castastrophe
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=91097

Pastor now tells how to prep fro imminent castastrophe
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91247

Heed Wilkerson's warning by Faith2Action Janet Porter.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91296

Excerpt taken from
Famed pastor predicts imminent castastrophe
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=91097


"Wilkerson's vision is of fires raging through New York City.

"It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires - such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago," he explains. "There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide."

This global fire attack, is it the work of bin Laden?

Bin Laden's plans for 'global fireball'
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78573

Gay Penguins Tale Tops List of 'Challenged' Books for 3rd Year

Grace2 »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:52 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

It is you Mike22685 that goes around claiming that every Christian is not a Christian because of x, y, and z reason and yet you yourself are quilty of it too.

You point all your fingers at the person? Why? Is it because you know deep down in your heart that you too are quilty and don't want to hear that you are?

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Daniel Paul, a parent is punishing his victimized child if he/she doesn't protect their child from bullying. If the school administrators cannot or will not do something about the bullying then the parent(s) should remove their child from the bullying enviroment. What other option is there than to pull the kid out of the school. In our society today we can home school our kid or place them in a private school. If a parent doesn't have the skills or the time to home school then he/she can find other people who home school their child(ren)and ask them if they would include their child. There was a parent in my Church who home schooled all her children. Another parent in the community had a child she wanted home schooled but she could not herself do it so she ask the lady in my church if she would do it and she said 'yes'.

A parent sins against his/her child if he/she allows the child to be in an unhealthy enviroment and does very little about the situation. If the school administrators won't do anything about it then pull the victimized child out of school and find another route for their education. If the parent doesn't then the parent is irresponsible, abusive themselves, and he/she should be looked to and blamed for the negative impact the bullying has on the child.

Gay Penguins Tale Tops List of 'Challenged' Books for 3rd Year

Grace2 »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

Just remember Mike22685 when you point the finger at someone accusing them of some shortcoming there are three of your fingers pointing back at you which makes you three times more guilty than the person you judge.

Get the log out of your eye so you can see clearly enough to get the speck out of someone's else eye.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:24 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

Daniel Paul

>>>"Grace, pulling kids out of school because they are being bullied is absurd. Why don't we pull the bullies out until they show they can behave properly in school?"

Watch out...Mike and I agree! It's not as easy as just pulling your kid out of school. You have to continue the child's education somewhere or you'll end up in family court.<<<

Is your response directed towards me? If so, then please re-read my posts on this topic. I never said anything about the child's education not being continued. Those post are Wed 4/22,2:28 pm and Wed 4/22 9:59 pm.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

sddane

Here is another link that gives many testimonies of people who died and either went to heaven or hell and in some cases, both.

Divine Revelations
http://spiritlessons.com/

Be objective and search out what people have experienced beore you make any conclusion about the existance of heaven and hell.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

sddane - Don't reject investigating the claims of people who have experienced hell. Before you draw any conclusions about whether hell exist or not you should at least get the facts first, don't you think?

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

sddane

Gerace2 said "sddane- There is no hell? Oh, how wrong you are!"

sddane responded, "Grace, are you kidding me? Prove it."

The only proof I can personally provide outside of what the Word of God says is the testimonies of those who experienced it via a dream or having actually died, went to hell, and came back to life to give testimony of what they experienced.

There are many websites that give these kind of testimonies. One of them is

Testimonies of People Who have been to Hell and Back

http://www.amightywind.com/hell/testimonies.htm


If you have courage to investigate the claims of people who have experienced hell then I encourage you to visit this website.

You will find different testimonies. One is in a 80+ min video documentary by Dr. Maurice Rawlings, a cardiologist, on 5 atheist who had died and came back to life. After these people came back they became believers. I saw this documentary. It is very good.

Also, Dr. Michael Yeager gave a testimony of his vision of hell. I have included it here.


Taken from the website: Testimonies of People Who have been to Hell and Back

http://www.amightywind.com/hell/testimonies.htm

Dr. Michael Yeager's Vision of Hell

On the verge of suicide and with a knife to his wrist a fear hit him which he now recognizes as the fear of God. He dropped his knife and went to his knees and asked the Lord to forgive him of his sins and he gave his life to the Lord. He was immediately freed from all addictions and was given a desire to tell others about Jesus.

One night when in prayer he received a vision of hell and the floor of his room opened up he kept falling down and down in a deep dark hole for miles and miles. It was very real and he could see, touch, smell, feel everything. Fear was filling his whole being.

A wind was blowing from this hole that seemed to be bottomless and the odor was so strong it was sickening. By looking between his feet he could see a distant orange glow. As he approached this orange glow it became bigger and bigger and he then entered a cavern and he was over a huge area of what looked like lava sending flames hundreds of feet into the air. Earth shattering explosions could also be heard. He knew he was still about 10,000 feet above this burning sea and even at that distance the heat was almost too much to bear and it felt like his skin was actually burning off.

The smell was so nauseating that it made him cough and gasp for air but there was none. His ears than began to be filled with a very eerie sound that sounded like humming. This sound was constant and got louder and louder as he approached the lava. God opened his understanding as to what the sound was. The sound was actually human beings screaming in unbelievable agony. He realized that God was showing him a vision of hell.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

sddane - continued

At about 200 feet above this lake of lava, fire and brimstone, the pain got almost too much to bear. He then saw some objects bobbing up and down in this burning sea of what looked like lava. There were tens of thousands of these objects. These objects were actually human beings bobbing up and down and back and forth. These people were weeping and wailing in extreme agony. No relief from pain was available to them. Their bodies were burned black in this sea of fire and brimstone.

Suddenly he plunged into the lava and it covered him and filled his eyes, nose throat, lungs etc. His eyes felt like they were being consumed out of their sockets and could barely breathe. He finds it difficult to explain the amount of pain he was experiencing. He also knew hell was eternal and no chance of getting out.

He was shown that selfishness is the gateway to hell. Excruciating pain overtook him fully as he was submerged in this sea of fire and brimstone that looked like lava. As he was sucked down into this sea he was in total darkness with no light at all. He was suffocating and could not take a breath but yet he was not dying. When he returned to the surface he realized that he was till intact and his five senses were very much alive.

There were other creatures in the sea of fire that looked like huge worms. They would come to the surface and then disappear and then return to the surface. About 20 feet from him he saw them coming to the surface and they were coming towards him. When they reached him they began boring into him and went inside his body and brain and were coming out of his eyes. They were driving him insane. (Where the worm dieth not.) There is no end to these things in hell. They are eternal. There is no place to go for any relief. There is no love there. It is totally void of love. An emptiness beyond comprehension enveloped him.

Although there were many, many others there, there were no communications whatsoever. Your memory is also there still with you and you can remember everything that went on in your life, including each time the Gospel was presented to you and you refused. He then was gripped with an intense thirst. There was no way to quench this thirst. (Rich man and Lazarus.)

If the message of the Gospel is rejected you will be forever tormented in hell like the Bible so clearly says. The voice of God then echoed across the sea of fire and brimstone and lava telling hell to release him and he was returned back to his room.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Mike22685

>>>Grace, pulling kids out of school because they are being bullied is absurd.<<<

No it isn't. It is responsible parenting. If the school that a parent's child attends is, in the view of the parent(s), unhealthy for their child in either the moral sense (for example,homosexual indoctrination), intellectual sense (for example, teaching of evolution), or in the verbal/emotional/physical sense (for example, bullying of any kind) then it is incumbent upon the parent(s) to do something about it. If the circumstances can not or will not be changed by the school's administration, then the parent(s) need to find another way to educate their child(ren). If they don't then the parents are partially to blame for what the kid faces - the damage to their faith in God, their emotions, or dead as a result of suicide or even murder because our laws allow parent(s) to find other ways to educate their child(ren) like home schooling, or private school and the parent didn't make the effort to provide a safer or more acceptable enviroment for their child(ren) to learn.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

sddane- There is no hell? Oh, how wrong you are!

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

sddane

>>>Why do you Christians quote the Bible as a source of "evidence?" It's not evidence, it's noise. Unless you can prove the Bible is true which is a truly absurb endeavor.<<<

Christians cannot prove the Bible is true. It is God's responsibility and only He, through the Holy Ghost, can prove His Word is truth.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

Maybe the parents of homosexual kids that are being bullied need to pull their kids out of school and home school them. The kids would get a better education plus they won't be bullied any more. If the parents are not able to do that then maybe they need to form a school for homosexuals. Perhaps the parents of homosexuals can ban together and home school the kids together. But if a parent's kid is a homosexual and is being bullied then some of the blame falls on the parents for the actions and sometimes destructive action the homo kids takes because of it. Just bringing it to the attention of the school administrators isn't enough.

Kids are cruel and they will bully anyone they think are either odd, weak or inferior. This has been going on since the beginning of time and it won't change.

Homosexuals are viewed as weak and inferior. They are going to be picked on. No amount of education is going to change that. Bullying comes from the heart. One needs to change the heart of a person before that person will change. Only Jesus can do that. Some can change w/o Jesus, though, but but most will not.

'That's So Gay': The Deadly Consequences of Bullying

Grace2 »

Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:55 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

Mike22685, I find it hypocritical of you to want people to speak out against bullying of homosexuals but when one of your own, a homosexual, bullied Miss California you did not speak out against it.

Gay Penguins Tale Tops List of 'Challenged' Books for 3rd Year

Grace2 »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:40 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

>>> Children raised in a household with gay parents display no signs of maladjustment in any study conducted.<<<

You are very wrong here Mike22685. My two posts below will show that.

Gay Penguins Tale Tops List of 'Challenged' Books for 3rd Year

Grace2 »

Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

The below excerpts taken from:

Same-sex parenting is bad for kids
http://www.christian.org.uk/pressreleases/2002/february_06_2002.htm

As the Government seems set to allow a free vote on gay adoption, a new book highlights the overwhelming evidence that same-sex parenting is bad for children.

Sociologist Patricia Morgan has written the largest review of the research ever published in Europe. The book, Children as trophies?, considers 144 academic papers including 50 on same-sex parenting.

"Patricia Morgan's book also shows that parenting by married couples produces better outcomes for children than parenting in cohabiting households...."

Key points from Children as trophies?

There is not a single published comparative study of the effects of homosexual foster care or adoption. Advocates of gay adoption can only cite studies on homosexual parenting. (page 127)

Despite repeated assertions to the contrary, many studies indicate significant differences between homosexual and heterosexual parenting outcomes for children, particularly the likelihood that children of homosexuals may become involved in homosexual behaviour themselves. (page 67)

In fact some researchers in favour of gay adoption even admit that such children are more likely to be homosexual. (pages 77, 78, 85ff)

Gender confusion seems to be rife with daughters of lesbian mothers. (page 78)

Evidence from around the world shows that the married family is the most successful child rearing environment. (Britain, USA, The Netherlands, New Zealand - see pages 87-90)

Pro-gay sociologists argue that gay adoption should go ahead despite the lack of evidence in support. (page 132)