RSR; All of these are not necessarily creation scientists or ID scientists on the linked lists, but they are not evolution dogmatists either. As far as I know, there is only Ken Ham who is the creation museum builder. http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=660 http://creationwiki.org/Creation_scientists along with those at ICR, Answers In Genesis ...more

RSR;
All of these are not necessarily creation scientists or ID scientists on the linked lists, but they are not evolution dogmatists either. As far as I know, there is only Ken Ham who is the creation museum builder.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=660
http://creationwiki.org/Creation_scientists

along with those at ICR, Answers In Genesis and Discovery Institute who have published.
Antony Flew is one of the more famous converts.
You should get out more.
Carry on.less

dt, Your observation of Hitler's use of scripture not for truth but for political gain is right on. Testing against the Bible makes it very easy to determine his misuse and abuse of scripture. But to conclude that he misused Darwinian evolution based on his misuse of the Bible is not a logical conclusion. Each is tested separately. The question is: did Hitler properly use the conclusions of r...more

dt,
Your observation of Hitler's use of scripture not for truth but for political gain is right on. Testing against the Bible makes it very easy to determine his misuse and abuse of scripture. But to conclude that he misused Darwinian evolution based on his misuse of the Bible is not a logical conclusion. Each is tested separately. The question is: did Hitler properly use the conclusions of racism based on the "science" of the day? Based on the scientific literature supporting racism as part and parcel to Darwinian evolution including the writings of Darwin, Spencer, Galton, Chambers, Haeckel and Wallace Hitler was using Darwinian based racism from the "science" of the day for his slaughter.

"Darwin was keenly aware of the implications of his theory on race. In the sixth chapter of The Descent of Man, he speculated that survival of the fittest pressures would eventually eliminate both the black race, which he considered inferior, and other 'lower races'. In addition, he concluded:

'I could show [that war had] done and [is] doing [much] . . . for the progress of civilization . . . The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date . . . an endless number of lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world.'less

steve, please explain how this solves RBs question about people whose religious belief is based on historical science of evolution can perform operational science. Operational (Observational) Science: a systematic approach to understanding that uses observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable experimentation to understand how nature commonly behaves. Historical (Origins) Science: interp...more

steve,
please explain how this solves RBs question about people whose religious belief is based on historical science of evolution can perform operational science.

Operational (Observational) Science: a systematic approach to understanding that uses observable, testable, repeatable, and falsifiable experimentation to understand how nature commonly behaves.
Historical (Origins) Science: interpreting evidence from past events based on a presupposed philosophical point of view.
The past is not directly observable, testable, repeatable, or falsifiable; so interpretations of past events present greater challenges than interpretations involving operational science. Neither creation nor evolution is directly observable, testable, repeatable, or falsifiable. Each is based on certain philosophical assumptions about how the earth began. Naturalistic evolution assumes that there was no God, and biblical creation assumes that there was a God who created everything in the universe. Starting from two opposite presuppositions and looking at the same evidence, the explanations of the history of the universe are very different. The argument is not over the evidence—the evidence is the same—it is over the way the evidence should be interpreted.less

dear steve, Let's go back to the follish argument: gravity, chemistry therefore evolution. Does gravity and chemistry prove evolution? This is the silly argument from your side. Perhaps you can answer your own question to lp and me. " Darwin was the first to give it [racism] an alleged scientific validity. The subtitle of The Origin of Species was The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Str...more

dear steve,
Let's go back to the follish argument: gravity, chemistry therefore evolution. Does gravity and chemistry prove evolution? This is the silly argument from your side.
Perhaps you can answer your own question to lp and me. " Darwin was the first to give it [racism] an alleged scientific validity. The subtitle of The Origin of Species was The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Darwin's writings about “the preservation of favored races,” and in particular the unscientific claims in his The Descent of Man, lent support to the Nazis' erroneous belief in the superiority of Aryan race, and a similar British belief about the Anglo-Saxons."
So steve, racism {superiority of one race over another} was part of Darwin's theory of evolution; I'm sure you are able to answer whether or not Darwin got this "scientific" part of his theory right.less

dt; you've committed a logical fallacy in your thoughts.

MCreek, actually, gravity and chemistry are in the family of operational science and evolution belongs to the family of historical science, not operational science. Hitler did base his race superiority and genocide on Darwinism and he referred to an almighty, but it wasn't the Christian God of the Bible, it was a god of his own devising for political purposes. "His public and written statemen...more

MCreek,
actually, gravity and chemistry are in the family of operational science and evolution belongs to the family of historical science, not operational science.
Hitler did base his race superiority and genocide on Darwinism and he referred to an almighty, but it wasn't the Christian God of the Bible, it was a god of his own devising for political purposes.
"His public and written statements however can be interpreted as propaganda.
In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ."less

Lary9; What is a devout Christian? Curious what you mean by mumbo-jumbo.

RB; Try historical science and operational science. Operational science can be carried out by both evolutionists and creationists as operational science is not dependent upon historical science.

Actually, adam and Norm; the real importance for an eternal life in heaven is to continually believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, do as He commanded and repent of our sinful behavior.

waltman, I'm certain he must be referring to the religion of Watermelons; they are the ones with the cold hearts towards humanity. Humanity, the scourge of Mother Gaia.

adam0300; It is important to note that a Fatwa is meant to be issued by a Muslim legal scholar, not by any political entity. Generally, any given case may have many fatwas (legal opinions) written by the scholars of the region and time. The fatwa backed by the State is the one with legal power. Salman Rushdie One of the first well-known fatwas was proclaimed in 1989 by the Iranian Ayatollah R...more

adam0300;
It is important to note that a Fatwa is meant to be issued by a Muslim legal scholar, not by any political entity. Generally, any given case may have many fatwas (legal opinions) written by the scholars of the region and time. The fatwa backed by the State is the one with legal power.

Salman Rushdie
One of the first well-known fatwas was proclaimed in 1989 by the Iranian Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, against Salman Rushdie‘s novel The Satanic Verses. The argument related to an ostensibly blasphemous statement from an early biography of Prophet Muhammad, regarding incorporating pagan goddesses into Islam’s strongly monotheistic structure. Khomeini died shortly after issuing the fatwa. In 1998 Iran stated that it is no longer pursuing Rushdie’s death; however the decree was again reversed in early 2005 by the present theocrat, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

In 1991, Rushdie's Japanese translator, Hitoshi Igarashi, was stabbed and killed in Tokyo, and his Italian translator was beaten and stabbed in Milan. In 1993, Rushdie's Norwegian publisher William Nygaard was shot and severely injured in an attack outside his house in Oslo. Thirty-seven guests died when their hotel in Sivas, Turkey was burnt down by locals protesting against Aziz Nesin, Rushdie's Turkish translator.less

chicago24; Can you explain what a fatwa is? Is it a sign of love and tolerance? Is it based from the Koran? The main issue is what the books say, not individuals. The Bible does not condone hatred (other than for sin, not the sinners) and does not condone submission by force and slaughter but the Koran does. Mohammed lived his life by the Koran concurring by the sword and Jesus led by examp...more

chicago24;
Can you explain what a fatwa is? Is it a sign of love and tolerance? Is it based from the Koran?

The main issue is what the books say, not individuals. The Bible does not condone hatred (other than for sin, not the sinners) and does not condone submission by force and slaughter but the Koran does. Mohammed lived his life by the Koran concurring by the sword and Jesus led by example concurring by love and truth.less

There are more options other than God either doesn't exist or is ruthlessly cruel. Like a parent, He is allowing us the freedom to live a life in a fallen world. He told us life would be tough and we have the freedom to go it alone and suffer or take comfort in Him. Without Him there is nothing for Hitchens to look forward to; with Him there is an eternity to look forward to and relief from the...more

There are more options other than God either doesn't exist or is ruthlessly cruel. Like a parent, He is allowing us the freedom to live a life in a fallen world. He told us life would be tough and we have the freedom to go it alone and suffer or take comfort in Him. Without Him there is nothing for Hitchens to look forward to; with Him there is an eternity to look forward to and relief from the trials and tribulations here on earth when we are glorified.
So the choice is that you either invent the strawman god you think should be then reject Him or you understand the God that is and accept His truth claims for His creatures to take comfort in.less

mike, You appear to be judging pastor salaries and implying that they may be excessive. As judge, what would be the appropriate salary? Should your critique be limited to just pastors, or should it include all believers? How do these salaries cause poverty or how would reducing them solve poverty?

Just more Marxism in the guise of social justice: "Micah Challenge’s Felicity Cowley said poverty would not be eradicated unless the world moved beyond “selfish ambition.” whatever that means to Felicity. The true poverty is not materialistic as this movement implies, but spiritual. Without Christ spiritual and material poverty will never be eradicated particulary with totalitarian, s...more

Just more Marxism in the guise of social justice: "Micah Challenge’s Felicity Cowley said poverty would not be eradicated unless the world moved beyond “selfish ambition.” whatever that means to Felicity.

The true poverty is not materialistic as this movement implies, but spiritual. Without Christ spiritual and material poverty will never be eradicated particulary with totalitarian, socialist governments abounding and growing.

Prayers and actions should primarily be directed at witnessing to the world to help instill Jesus Christ in the hearts and minds of all citizens and their civil government leaders to transform into a Godly social order as designed by God.less

MuggleBorn, Thank you for the kind comment. Truth is so much at stake these days. I do have to add a clarification of the new rules per the Fed Register. The rules do not directly shut down the private accrediting agenicies, the ruling requires all education institutions to be accredited by a political government agency if they want their students to qualify for govt student loans and gran...more

MuggleBorn,
Thank you for the kind comment. Truth is so much at stake these days.

I do have to add a clarification of the new rules per the Fed Register. The rules do not directly shut down the private accrediting agenicies, the ruling requires all education institutions to be accredited by a political government agency if they want their students to qualify for govt student loans and grants; this indirectly squeezes them out of business and puts full control into the politicos hands.less

sparky, Over 6,000 private education institutions are jeopardized per the Federal Register [Federal Register: June 18, 2010 (Volume 75, Number 117)] [Page 34805-34890] that goes into effect next month. This shuts down the private accredidation agencies and hands all control over to state governments to approve curriculums and programs. This is a government power grab that would make M...more

sparky,
Over 6,000 private education institutions are jeopardized per the Federal Register
[Federal Register: June 18, 2010 (Volume 75, Number 117)]
[Page 34805-34890]
that goes into effect next month.
This shuts down the private accredidation agencies and hands all control over to state governments to approve curriculums and programs.
This is a government power grab that would make Marx proud.less

Cheisa, Actually, biology can be taught very well without the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution. Life has not evolved, it was created by kind as God told us. Some dirty little secrets about macroevolution is that 1) mutations do not add new, more complex information to the DNA but most always reduces information. 2) natural selection does the same, reduces information of the DNA. This renders...more

Cheisa,
Actually, biology can be taught very well without the neo-Darwinian theory of evolution. Life has not evolved, it was created by kind as God told us. Some dirty little secrets about macroevolution is that 1) mutations do not add new, more complex information to the DNA but most always reduces information. 2) natural selection does the same, reduces information of the DNA. This renders the theory totally useless. Non-life to life violates the law of biogensis; natualism hasn't the means to produce information and language and encode such into DNA which are essential for life. Darwins tree of life has been completely discredited and the fossil record better supports creation Vs evolution. Irreducible complexity of life systems also renders neo Darwinism useless. Besides these little troubling areas evolution is something worthwhile to kick around as a wonderment to how we could have fallen for it for over 150 years.less

occrest believer has a good question. One little-known fact, is that for the past 200 years, all King James Bibles published in America are actually the 1769 Baskerville spelling and wording revision of the 1611. The original “1611” preface is deceivingly included by the publishers, and no mention of the fact that it is really the 1769 version is to be found, because that might hurt sales. ...more

occrest
believer has a good question. One little-known fact, is that for the past 200 years, all King James Bibles published in America are actually the 1769 Baskerville spelling and wording revision of the 1611. The original “1611” preface is deceivingly included by the publishers, and no mention of the fact that it is really the 1769 version is to be found, because that might hurt sales.

Needless to say, the current KJV is just as acceptable as the HSCB, NIV, NASB, etc. You are very correct each Christian is personally responsible to study the Bible while being taught the truths from qualified teachers as well.less

You may want to investigate the political hurdles Texas is causing to ICR because they are not a politically correct institution of higher learning. Texas also tried to force its will on a Christian college. The concern raised by this article is real. another close example is what a judge had almost done to derail homeschooling in CA the other year. The concern is real. The actions I just cit...more

You may want to investigate the political hurdles Texas is causing to ICR because they are not a politically correct institution of higher learning. Texas also tried to force its will on a Christian college. The concern raised by this article is real. another close example is what a judge had almost done to derail homeschooling in CA the other year. The concern is real.
The actions I just cited match to the enforcement of a cultural marxist worldview that our government institutions are now marching to. Government has to control everything, especially education. Based on Christian worldview of sphere sovereignty, government has no business controlling private education. Based on a marxist worldview it has to control.
This is not a matter of state sovereignty, it's a matter of closing down private accrediting agencies accrediting private institutions of higher learning. This is another federal power grab of private enterprise.less