steve, I gave you a sampling of what is in the report and I gave you the link to the report. I gave you references to Rose and the results of his investigation. All point to the underage sex abuse in the RCC as predominantly a homosexual issue by about 110:1; homosexual to heterosexual abusing priests. Start with this part of the report and do your own digging: " In fact, a number of studie...more

steve,
I gave you a sampling of what is in the report and I gave you the link to the report. I gave you references to Rose and the results of his investigation. All point to the underage sex abuse in the RCC as predominantly a homosexual issue by about 110:1; homosexual to heterosexual abusing priests.
Start with this part of the report and do your own digging: " In fact, a number of studies performed over a period spanning more than half a century ─ many of which were performed by homosexuals or their sympathizers ─ have shown that an extremely large percentage of sexually active homosexuals also participate in child sexual molestation."
I've supported my position, contrary to your contention, that the problem is predominantly due to homosexual priests carrying out their own, inner desires.
Take Careless

steve, Evidence please; evidence you get via cut and paste from a credible source; "Dignity USA and other homosexual groups strenuously deny any connection whatever between a homosexual orientation and child sexual molestation. They repeatedly claim that "All credible evidence discounts any link between the molestation of children and homosexuality."6 Yet these groups seem curiously reluctant to...more

steve,
Evidence please; evidence you get via cut and paste from a credible source;
"Dignity USA and other homosexual groups strenuously deny any connection whatever between a homosexual orientation and child sexual molestation. They repeatedly claim that "All credible evidence discounts any link between the molestation of children and homosexuality."6 Yet these groups seem curiously reluctant to cite this "credible evidence."
In fact, a number of studies performed over a period spanning more than half a century ─ many of which were performed by homosexuals or their sympathizers ─ have shown that an extremely large percentage of sexually active homosexuals also participate in child sexual molestation.
This is not "homophobia" or "hatred." This is mere scientific fact.....
If we assume that this number is correct, using the figures given in Table 3.5.4, we find that a homosexual priest is (85.3%/10.0%)/(14.7%/90.0%) = 52
times more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual priest.
If we use the more reasonable assumption that five percent of all priests are homosexual (still about twice the average in the general population), we see that a homosexual priest is (85.3%/5.0%)/(14.7%/95.0%) = 110 times more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual priest.
It is logical that homosexuals who sexually desire young children deliberately seek
employment that will bring them into proximity with the greatest number of children possible. The most "promising" jobs of this nature include clergymen working in youth ministries, Boy Scout leaders and schoolteachers....
Ephebophilia, or the sexual desire for adolescent boys, has always been a hallmark of homosexuality, as shown by numerous scientific studies, and as admitted by "gay" leaders themselves on many occasions.
Homophile groups are exploiting the current crisis in the Church in order to achieve their goals, a classic strategy of infiltration and subversion. Many of these groups vocally supported “man-boy love” in the 1960s and 1970s. Now the same groups are attacking the Church because pedophile priests followed their advice and became “boy-lovers!”
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010_docs/Homosexuality_Crisis2.pdfless

steve, First, you should read M Rose's book to gain understanding. What is your definition of homosexuality? That has been a moving target for it to be politically correct: “Fallen Roman Catholic priests are identified as pedophiles, sex abusers, or just nasty perverts. Though they do what homosexuals do, the popular, liberated social status of “homosexual” is denied them, both by their ow...more

steve,
First, you should read M Rose's book to gain understanding. What is your definition of homosexuality? That has been a moving target for it to be politically correct:
“Fallen Roman Catholic priests are identified as pedophiles, sex abusers, or just nasty perverts. Though they do what homosexuals do, the popular, liberated social status of “homosexual” is denied them, both by their own Church, and by homosexuals at large.”
It’s convenient for both the RCC and the politically correct crowd to define the priests homosexuality away as something else because the publicity has been negative for homosexuality; but it is still homosexual behavior at play here.
I used the APA definition which fits the Catholic Church's situation.
I also use corresponding evidence such as the Boy Scouts history dealing with homosexual leaders in its ranks doing the exact same as the homosexual priests did in the church. But the publicity was against the Boy Scouts for cleaning its ranks of homosexual leaders because the publicity of what those leaders did to the boys was buried. I also look to the history of NAMBLA, a homosexual group, which some of these Catholic priests belonged to or associated with. You say 'force' and 'attacks' as though it was a physical knock down drag out until the priest got his way......are you sure about this? Or were the acts a result of subtle persuasion by an authority figure?less

steve, They had a sexual disposition or attraction for males, not females. Is this a 'dah' for your daughter? Rape in the states includes sex with an underaged participant whether consenting or not. The power play has no aspect for this definition from the sources I use; Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality, by Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D. It is an abberant behavior. In Goodbye, Good Men, investi...more

steve,
They had a sexual disposition or attraction for males, not females. Is this a 'dah' for your daughter?
Rape in the states includes sex with an underaged participant whether consenting or not. The power play has no aspect for this definition from the sources I use; Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality, by Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D. It is an abberant behavior.
In Goodbye, Good Men, investigative reporter Michael S. Rose provides the shocking answer – an answer the mainstream news media has missed.

He uncovers how radical liberalism, like that found on many college campuses, has infiltrated the Catholic Church and tried to overthrow her traditional beliefs, standards, and disciplines – especially Church teachings on sexuality. In bringing the "sexual revolution" into the Church, liberals have welcomed – even preferred – radicalized active homosexuals to orthodox seminarians in the name of "diversity" and "tolerance." That "tolerance" has now been exposed as a toleration of criminal acts....A riveting work of extraordinary reporting, Michael S. Rose shows how the very institutions charged with inculcating Catholic theology and discipline have come to prefer gay priests to straight ones..."
The gay subculture is so prominent at certain seminaries that they have earned nicknames such as: “Pink Palace” (St. Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore), “Notre Flame” (Notre Dame Seminary in New Orleans), and “Theological Closet” (Theological College at the Catholic University of America in Washington, DC). At these and several other seminaries, Rose found shocking examples of how, time and time again, chaste heterosexual seminarians are dismissed as unfit for the priesthood, while promiscuous homosexuals, and even those who have harassed, molested, or even raped other seminarians, are protected or promoted.less

steve, How do you know those homosexual priests that bugger little boys had God then? It would appear they actually didn't have God, they were doing just as Maslow teaches in his false hierarchy of needs concept; throwing off the chains of oppression (ie: Christianity) and working towards or actually self-actualizing. Just doing what their inner desires leads them to do.

Amen

believer, If I recall, you were once doing missionary work overseas. Is that correct? It appears you are in the states now. What are you up to? It would appear you are discipling to equip and train servants for the Lord as that is your primary focus with angela. Discipleship is my main focus now. The pastor asked me to direct the adult Bible studies program and I use Eph 4:11-16 as my job...more

believer,
If I recall, you were once doing missionary work overseas. Is that correct? It appears you are in the states now. What are you up to? It would appear you are discipling to equip and train servants for the Lord as that is your primary focus with angela.
Discipleship is my main focus now. The pastor asked me to direct the adult Bible studies program and I use Eph 4:11-16 as my job description.
Take Careless

angela123, Sorry it appeared that we were tag teaming, it was not planned nor intentional. But what we were sharing is exactly what this article is about; Biblical illiteracy. Preaching during the Sunday service one gets a very small amount of scriptural learning if the preaching is directly from the Bible with right interpretation. Bible study (individual and small group) allows you to get ...more

angela123,
Sorry it appeared that we were tag teaming, it was not planned nor intentional.
But what we were sharing is exactly what this article is about; Biblical illiteracy.
Preaching during the Sunday service one gets a very small amount of scriptural learning if the preaching is directly from the Bible with right interpretation. Bible study (individual and small group) allows you to get much more from the Bible each week and prepares you better to lead a full Christian life.
Take care and God Blessless

angela123, believer and I attend a denomination that emphasizes Bible Study quite a bit along with Sunday Worship service. We have adult bible study classes on Sundays and during the week and these are essential for members to attend. Does your church do the same, train and equip believers for ministry and service? Ephesians is quite clear on this for teaching and training as a balanced approac...more

angela123,
believer and I attend a denomination that emphasizes Bible Study quite a bit along with Sunday Worship service. We have adult bible study classes on Sundays and during the week and these are essential for members to attend.
Does your church do the same, train and equip believers for ministry and service? Ephesians is quite clear on this for teaching and training as a balanced approach:
Ephesians 4:11-16 (HCSB)
11 And He personally gave some to be .....pastors and teachers,
12 for the training of the saints in the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ,
13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, [growing] into a mature man with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.
14 Then we will no longer be little children, tossed by the waves and blown around by every wind of teaching, by human cunning with cleverness in the techniques of deceit.
15 But speaking the truth in love, let us grow in every way into Him who is the head—Christ.
16 From Him the whole body, fitted and knit together by every supporting ligament, promotes the growth of the body for building up itself in love by the proper working of each individual partless

jz, you said: Those that subscribe to a particular faith are blinded by its dogma. I suppose that would apply to the dogma of agnostics as well????? Actually, you'd have to do some deeper research than you have probably done to come to realize which worldview, including your humanism, conforms best to reality. Blasting away at Christians out of ignorance is an inappropriate way of finding reali...more

jz,
you said: Those that subscribe to a particular faith are blinded by its dogma.
I suppose that would apply to the dogma of agnostics as well?????
Actually, you'd have to do some deeper research than you have probably done to come to realize which worldview, including your humanism, conforms best to reality. Blasting away at Christians out of ignorance is an inappropriate way of finding reality and the worldview with the corresponding truthsless

angela123, I know believer isn't defending biblical ignorance. Believer maybe referring to James 1:22-23 (HCSB) 22 But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face in a mirror;.... This survery doesn't mean the atheist knows more about Christianity than Christians do, ...more

angela123,
I know believer isn't defending biblical ignorance. Believer maybe referring to
James 1:22-23 (HCSB)
22 But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face in a mirror;....
This survery doesn't mean the atheist knows more about Christianity than Christians do, they know something about many religions and Christians, knowing the truth, just focus more on the truth of Christianity.
The better that you are grounded in the word the clearer God's will for what you should do becomes and the better you can assure your church doesn't go apostate. We are in dangerous times. You can listen to a 20 minute clip:
http://steelonsteel.com/broadcasts.php
May God bless your drive.less

jz, you said: Those that subscribe to a particular faith are blinded by its dogma. I suppose that would apply to the dogma of agnostics as well????? Actually, you'd have to do some deeper research than you have probably done to come to realize which worldview, including your humanism, conforms best to reality. Blasting away at Christians out of ignorance is an inappropriate way of finding real...more

jz,
you said: Those that subscribe to a particular faith are blinded by its dogma.
I suppose that would apply to the dogma of agnostics as well?????
Actually, you'd have to do some deeper research than you have probably done to come to realize which worldview, including your humanism, conforms best to reality. Blasting away at Christians out of ignorance is an inappropriate way of finding reality and the worldview with the corresponding truths.less

angela123, you are on the right track according to scripture. You have to read the Bible to know God and do His will: John 17:3 (HCSB) 3 This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and the One You have sent—Jesus Christ.

jz, Your question can be understood in a couple different ways. The answer is no if, as believer said, the jew or muslim didn't repent and put their full trust and faith in Jesus Christ but remained in their former faiths. The answer is yes if they do have the true conversion experience and follow Christ by becomming a Messianic Jew or walking away from Islam and walking the Christian way.

rhi, Perhaps you are the one confused as you don't know or understand what a Godly life is. Since God is the creator and owner of all of life and the cosmos this means all social institutions as well. We, as God's ambassadors, are to engage in all aspects of the culture as salt and light for truth; this is our obligation along with witnessing to the world about Christ's saving grace. We are ...more

rhi,
Perhaps you are the one confused as you don't know or understand what a Godly life is. Since God is the creator and owner of all of life and the cosmos this means all social institutions as well. We, as God's ambassadors, are to engage in all aspects of the culture as salt and light for truth; this is our obligation along with witnessing to the world about Christ's saving grace.
We are not imposing our beliefs on anyone but rather for government policies. As far as the political process goes we are expressing our desires for the proper, Godly policies as you express your worldview beliefs on what you consider to be proper policy. Obviously, your beliefs differ from a Christian's beliefs so you are trying to impose your prejudices, through political action, on government policies.
But is that not what a constitutional republic is about?
Why do you suppose you have the total freedom to engage in the political process with your humanist beliefs and prejudices and we are not?less