Haggard: Christian Right Off Course, Needs to Change

Harry4Health »

Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:11 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

BRUISER- Christians should not vote for what they believe is sin. It makes NO sense, and sounds like you are paving the way for 'sin'. The Christian Bible says, "RIGHTEOUSNESS exalts a nation. SIN is a REPROACH to any people." The apostle Paul would not pull the lever for gay marriage, or civil unions. Civil unions are another step toward the goal of gay marriage. I hope you realize this. To vote for what is against biblical morality, etc., is NOT being salt and light in the world, and it encourages others to folloew, be comfortable in, and advance biblically defined 'sin', which is a "reproach to any people."
That really isn't a thing Christians should be doing- helping the gay agenda out, as you seem to want to do. Read The Homosexual Agenda by Alan Sears & Craig Osten. For a gay authored book showing the agenda, keeping in mind that there are some who don't agree with all of it, is Kirk & Madsen's "After The Ball". It's out of print, but you can borrow it from a library, or buy a used copy at a used book store, or Amazon. I bought a copy from Amazon.

MIKE- Judge not, lest you be judged' is so over used and abused it's amazing. READ the WHOLE chapter, please. The Greek word for judging is NOT only defined the way you are using it. The Greek language is a rich language and doesn't always have one word for something with a narrow definition (There are 3 words for love in Greek, for example).
It goes on to instruct people to judge, how, under what circumstances. You CANNOT take the speak out of someone's eyes after you make sure you are dealing with your 'beam' if you don't judge in the sense of deciding right from wrong. Then later on, Jesus says to BEWARE of FALSE prophets, by their FRUIT you shall KNOW them." Please tell me how this is to be done, if we adopt your shallow misuse of that passage? You CAN'T do so. Either there's a contradiction by the NT's Jesus in the SAME chapter, or you are going to the Bible to read their feelings and desires INTO them (eisegesis) instead of drawing the actual meaning FROM them (exegesis).
Then there's John 7:24, where the NT Jesus plainly said, "Do not judge from outward appearances, but JUDGE righteous JUDGMENT/right judgment." Have you ever read that verse? Have you ever read the whole 'don't judge' chapter- Matthew 7? How about Titus 1:9 where it instructs elders to "REFUTE those who contradict sound doctrine." How shall the church apply Jesus' own word on church discipline (Matt. 18, same chapter of the 'judge not, mind you!), and Paul's teachings on this if they use the wishy-washy opinion of how you misuse that one part of one verse? Please actually go to the Bible to see what it says for itself, and please read context, etc.

Haggard: Christian Right Off Course, Needs to Change

Harry4Health »

Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

BRUISER- Christians should not vote for what they believe is sin. It makes NO sense, and sounds like you are paving the way for 'sin'. The Christian Bible says, "RIGHTEOUSNESS exalts a nation. SIN is a REPROACH to any people." The apostle Paul would not pull the lever for gay marriage, or civil unions. Civil unions are another step toward the goal of gay marriage. I hope you realize this. To vote for what is against biblical morality, etc., is NOT being salt and light in the world, and it encourages others to folloew, be comfortable in, and advance biblically defined 'sin', which is a "reproach to any people."
That really isn't a thing Christians should be doing- helping the gay agenda out, as you seem to want to do. Read The Homosexual Agenda by Alan Sears & Craig Osten. For a gay authored book showing the agenda, keeping in mind that there are some who don't agree with all of it, is Kirk & Madsen's "After The Ball". It's out of print, but you can borrow it from a library, or buy a used copy at a used book store, or Amazon. I bought a copy from Amazon.

MIKE- Judge not, lest you be judged' is so over used and abused it's amazing. READ the WHOLE chapter, please. It goes on to instruct people to judge, how, under what circumstances. You CANNOT take the speak out of someone's eyes after you make sure you are dealing with your 'beam' if you don't judge in the sense of deciding right from wrong. Then later on, Jesus says to BEWARE of FALSE prophets, by their FRUIT you shall KNOW them." Please tell me how this is to be done, if we adopt your shallow misuse of that passage? You CAN'T do so. Either there's a contradiction by the NT's Jesus in the SAME chapter, or you are going to the Bible to read their feelings and desires INTO them (eisegesis) instead of drawing the actual meaning FROM them (exegesis).
Then there's John 7:24, where the NT Jesus plainly said, "Do not judge from outward appearances, but JUDGE righteous JUDGMENT/right judgment." Have you ever read that verse? Have you ever read the whole 'don't judge' chapter- Matthew 7? How about Titus 1:9 where it instructs elders to "REFUTE those who contradict sound doctrine." How shall the church apply Jesus' own word on church discipline (Matt. 18, same chapter of the 'judge not, mind you!), and Paul's teachings on this if they use the wishy-washy opinion of how you misuse that one part of one verse? Please actually go to the Bible to see what it says for itself, and please read context, etc.

Teens' Exposure to Christian Music Leads to Suspension, Lawsuit

Harry4Health »

Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

I'm wondering- why is CHRISTIAN Post have an ad by the Mormon/LDS Church/the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and below have an ad for a free Book of Mormon? The Mormon Church officially teaches that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are "three Gods", there are many other Gods and goddesses, that we can become literal Gods and goddesses as God the Father- an exalted man of flesh and bones who lived on an earth like ours- BECAME A God with his exalted goddess wife, "our Heavenly Mother". They, together, are "our heavenly parents" (Ensign 3/2008, p 68, LDS Abraham 4-5, Doctrine and Covenants 132, LDS Melchizedek Priesthood study guide for 1985, Search These Commandments pp 151-158/Lesson 22, Gospel Principles, etc. ALL these are in context and official materials from the Mormon/LDS Church), that instead of salvation by grace through faith in the NT Jesus alone (Eph 2:1-9), teach that "We know that it is by grace that we are saved AFTER *all* we can do." (Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 25:23). Paul taught that grace and works cannot mix in Rom 11:6- "If it is by grace, then it is NO LONGER of works, otherwise grace is no more grace." It cannot be grace saves after all the works we can do. The Bible clearly teaches the only true God that exists is Yahweh (Isa 43-47, Deut 6:4, James 2:19). Two biblical tests of a true prophet is what he teaches about God (Deut 13), and if a claimed prophet has a perfect record of prophecy fulfillment (Duet 18). The Bible says that we should test even living apostles by already written scripture (Acts 17:11), not pray for a feeling/subjectivism (Book of Mormon Moroni 10:3-5, D&C 9). Gal 1:6-9, and 2 Cor 11:3-5,. 13-15 says that false gospels damn, and those who preach "ANOTHER [false] Jesus" and false gospels are false apostles, etc., and are "HIS [Satan's] ministers". Christians are to speak the truth in love (Eph 4:15), but this is the biblical truth. There is NO excuse for 'Christian' Post to allow these ads on their site.
"Have NO fellowship with the hidden works of darkness, but rather EXPOSE [KJV-reprove] them." Eph 5:11.

Israeli TV Satire of Christianity Draws Ire from Believers

Harry4Health »

Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:50 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

The Catholic bishop was wrong. The Israeli guy was very wrong- insult all professing Christians because of 1 person, of 1 church group? Amazing. However, the Vatican & the Pope was quick to condemn the satire, but what about publicly condemning the bishop's vile piece of antisemitic nonsense? If I were the Ope, I would not allow such a person stay a bishop, and I would share why he was wrong with him, and ask him to study some good books, etc.

GodTube Changes Name to Tangle.com

Harry4Health »

Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:29 pm Agree: 19   Disagree: 0

Now, instead of only Christian videos, 'Tangle' can now have Mormon theology videos, JWs, and all the rest who may be called 'family friendly', but are far from Christian orthodoxy. Yup- definite compromise

Emerging Church Movement Threatens Church Foundation, Says Pastor

Harry4Health »

Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

** DRJ,
You use an incorrect term, "The Emerging Church" (you used CAPS) as the basis for an argument that doesn't exist, in truth. Emerging Christians are not a separate church, but are soundly within the universal Christian church. They are not the same as McLaren & Paggitt's Emergent movement. Using CAPS with the term does not make it correct, but shows you seem not to know emerging Christian thought & ideas well. Emerging Christians want to discuss, hence some use 'emerging discussion', but they aren't a separate church. I do not believe *they* use that term, but non-emerging people use it for them, and usually are the ones who don't differentiate between the emerging Christians, and (from a biblical definition), Emergent heretics.
To throughitall, misinformed views like DRJ is why emerging Christians get upset.

Emerging Church Movement Threatens Church Foundation, Says Pastor

Harry4Health »

Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

** aaron e, throughitall.
One reason oldstudent/Jim speaks the way he does is because all too often, misinformed & 'underinformed' people broad swipe emerging Christians in with Emergent heretics (using a Bible-centered definition, McLaren, Pagitt, etc., are heretics, notwithstanding Willow Creek calling McLaren a "Christian" in their youth leaders conference Summer 2008 that McLaren spoke at). He has a valid reason to be upset at this. How many Christian writers of articles or books against Emergent have properly differentiated between the two?
Aaron is the one who said,, "the emerging Church movement. Christ already predicted it. I am saddened though that some who do not know Christ will be misguided by this heresy". He is inaccurate & wrong. He makes the same mistake that many, if not most, make. Emerging isn't heresy. Emergent is. Please call and kindly ask Willow Creek Association why they called Brian McLaren a "Christian". I'd love to see a firm, sure and clear affirmation of the 'absolute truth' of the Christian doctrines of the Trinity, virgin birth, Jesus as the only way, "salvation by grace alone through faith in Christ alone", his physical, bodily resurrection, etc., from McLaren. Emerging Christians, like oldstudent/Jim, affirm those essentials of the Christian faith.
Yes, when Christians or others do not differentiate between emerging Christians and Emergent heretics, they are, by definition, ignorant (Dictionary defined). They are slandering Christians who do not subscribe to the Emergent movement who partake in liberalism and give it a veneer of pseudo-'evangelicalism'.
I wouldn't be all too happy if I were an emerging Christian & Christians kept calling me a heretic, not wanting me in their churches, etc., rejecting me as a non-Christian because they didn't know the difference between Emergent & emerging, and didn't even ask and /or study to know the difference.
Christians should hope that non-Emerging Christians will learn the difference, and not cast Christians out as heretics.
Oldstudent is my brother, BTW, and I am not emerging or Emergent.
NOTE- Both Zondervan & Thomas Nelson have published McLaren's books. That is a shame (but since the former Christian owners let secular companies buy the former Christian book publishers, is it a Christian who allowed this? They both are now Christian, and 'Christian' division/imprint/sub-company (whichever term is correct) of secular companies.

Emerging Church Movement Threatens Church Foundation, Says Pastor

Harry4Health »

Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

aaron e, throughitall, throughitall,
One reason oldstudent/Jim speaks the way he does is because all too often, misinformed & 'underinformed' people broad swipe emerging Christians in with Emergent heretics (using a Bible-centered definition, McLaren, Pagitt, etc., are heretics, notwithstanding Willow Creek calling McLaren a "Christian" in their youth leaders conference Summer 2008 that McLaren spoke at). He has a valid reason to be upset at this. How many Christian writers of articles or books against Emergent have properly differentiated between the two?
Aaron is the one who said,, "the emerging Church movement. Christ already predicted it. I am saddened though that some who do not know Christ will be misguided by this heresy". He is inaccurate & wrong. He makes the same mistake that many, if not most, make. Emerging isn't heresy. Emergent is. Please call and kindly ask Willow Creek Association why they called Brian McLaren a "Christian". I'd love to see a firm, sure and clear affirmation of the 'absolute truth' of the Trinity, virgin birth, Jesus as the only way, his physical, bodily resurrection, etc., from McLaren.
Yes, when Christians or others do not differentiate between emerging Christians and Emergent heretics, they are by definition ignorant (Dictionary defined). They are slandering Christians who do not subscribe to the Emergent people who partake in liberalism and give it a veneer of pseudo-'evangelicalism'. Both Zondervan & Thomas Nelson have published McLaren's books. That is a shame (but since the former Christian owners let a secular company buy the former Christian book publishers, is it a Christian who allowed this? They both are now Christian, and 'Christian' division/imprint/sub-company (whichever term is correct) of secular companies.
I wouldn't be all too happy if I were emerging Christian & Christians kept calling me a heretic, not wanted in churches, etc., rejecting me as a non-Christian because they didn't know the difference between Emergent & emerging, and didn't even ask to find out, study to know the difference.
Let's hope non-Emerging Christians will learn the difference, and not cast them out like heretics.
oldstudent is my brother, BTW, and I am not emerging or Emergent.

Divisions Compromising Church’s Peace Message, Says Reformed Head

Harry4Health »

Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

dicipled_monarch, the Law isn't the reason for divisions in the church. There are a number of reasons. The Bible says sometimes separation is right (but not nearly as many reasons as the strict independent, fundamentalists think). Please do not be simplistic.

Why Do You Judge

Harry4Health »

Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

That's vague. There is correct judging (deciding right from wrong, true & false) as in John 7:24, and there's bad ways. Make sure to not go to either extreme. Matthew 7 has a context, and the Greek and context doesn't condemn all kinds of judging. Romans 14 has a specific context.

S.F. Christians Out to Break 'Sodom and Gomorrah' Mentality

Harry4Health »

Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

the comments by "thepenitent" shows he needs to 'repent'. His sanctimonious, self-righteous, smug, foolish mindset ain't gonna help anyone of the homosexual community to become Christians, and poisons the work of those who want to be "speaking the truth in love" (Eph 4:15), and to walk in wisdom with non-Christians and always speak with grace, or graciously, so that Christians know how to answer anyone (Col. 1:5-6). I think the Bible teaches he would go to the same hell as anyone who has sex with the same sex, and it suppose to be only by divine grace that he won't (if he is really a Christian), not his/her inherent righteousness, which the bible says he/she doesn't have. It's easy for Christians to pontificate, look down on, snub those who are -fill in the blank here-, but it takes a lot more to obey the passages they don't want to. Thepentitent has an ID that he needs to take to heart. Christians don't have to change with a poll, but all should take note of it, and see where they can improve and show more than prideful, condescending snobbery, which isn't a good testimony and people are rightly turned off by that kind of garbage.

Megachurch Pastor 'Politicked' and Speaking Out

Harry4Health »

Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:10 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

PT 1-B: Some of these same preachers preach the nice-sounding fluff that's popular, but refuse to preach "the WHOLE counsel of God", to obey Titus 1:9 where it says to encourage with SOUND doctrine, and REFUTE those people who contradict it." That is outside and INSIDE the church. Paul warned those in Acts 20 that after he left, grievous wolves will enter the flock. So few pastors really obey Titus 1:9, which is addressed to elders/pastors. Also, the Bible says "Judgment begins at the house of God". Young & all other Christians should keep that in mind before they refuse to hold professing Christian preachers, etc., accountable for doctrinal and behavioral error.
However ...SEE PT 2......

Church Leaders Pave Way for World's Largest Reformed Body

Harry4Health »

Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The article says: "Following the merger, WCRC will be the largest association of Reformed Churches in the world, representing 80 million Reformed Christians around the world". Um ... sooooo, just because 80 million are on the rolls of those churches, that equals ALL of them being Christians? I didn't know church membership equals 'salvation'. How many of those churches are really reformed in doctrine & personal faith? Chritian Post should use more cautious language. Say 80 million belong to the churches in this possible merger. 'Christian' news sources, and other 'Christian sources need to use a biblical mindset when reporting these things. I wish Christian Post would have stated how conservative or liberal these bodies of professed reformed churches are.

Warren Urges Larger Role for Churches to Solve Global Problems

Harry4Health »

Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Mike asked why isn't Christian Post writing about the bailout bill that Pres. Bush wanted. Well ...what relation is that to Christian? More so, why isn't the liberal press really exposing WHO the people and political party that really got us in this mess in the first place? Fortunately, Sen. McCain went to make sure the Bush version did NOT pass. The majority of the GOP, and more than enough Democrats also voted the revised bill down. it was better, but not good enough. If all of the Dems voted for it, it would have passed, so it wasn't the 'republican's fault', as the ever-lacking-in-wisdom Barney Frank whined that it didn't pass because of the 'Republicans' feelings got hurt'. Well, he has no evidence for that, and it is Pelosi's very UN-bipartison screed, not the GOP's. Speaker Pelosi attacked the Republicans before the vote, and when the bill didn't pass, Barney Frank was right there to spew out his deceptive lies. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to have Pelosi attack, and have Frank set up to attack further when it didn't pass. What hypocritical drivel from them on who's fault this was in the first place. Please see below for great evidence via videos on that, and other issues. PLEASE pass the below links & info around as far and wide as possible:

Covering Your Fannie, Who Really Caused Our Economic Crisis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? V2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o&eurl=http://tammybruce.com/2008/09/why_the_market_is.php

See: TheMouthPeace profile page videos on YouTube, including the above:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMouthPeace
and:
http://midpointpolitics.blogspot.com

Change Depends on Church, Not Political Messiah, Says Evangelical Pastor

Harry4Health »

Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Captainxcosmos is really off track. Obama gave extremely little to charity, and what tiny bit he did, went to the Irreverant Wright & his former church. Obama is below the giving mark for the others in his wealth bracket. The below videos really spell out how much we CANNOT afford Obama/Biden- exposes how we really got into this mess, and Sewn. McCain's part in the solution that was shot down, etc. One of TheMouthPeace's YouTube profile videos also gets into Obama's 'heart for charity'. Gov. Palin gets a good video, too! Christians should be careful on how involved they get, and so on, but to vote for Obama would be a tragic thing on a number of levels.
Covering Your Fannie, Who Really Caused Our Economic Crisis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? V2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o&eurl=http://tammybruce.com/2008/09/why_the_market_is.php

See: TheMouthPeace profile page videos on YouTube, including the above:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMouthPeace

and:

http://midpointpolitics.blogspot.com/

Palin's Pastor Urges Flock to Pray for the Press

Harry4Health »

Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

This article said:

"He [Pastor Kroon, of Wasillia Bible Church] added that it was wrong for anyone to have judged Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., without first reading what Wright actually said."
Ideally, if we can check primary sources, that would be best. But, we cannot always do so, and we hear the Irreverent Wright's own words, there has been NO refutation giving evidence of anything Wright said was taken out of context, only complaining that they are just 'one minute clips', which proves nothing.
Some great videos on why we are really in this Fannie & Freddie/mortgage/etc mess and more on Obama, McCain, and others, please see the links below. Please note the sharp difference between Sen. McCain and Obama. Some good things on Gov. Palin there, as well:

Covering Your Fannie, Who Really Caused Our Economic Crisis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? V2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o&eurl=http://tammybruce.com/2008/09/why_the_market_is.php

See: TheMouthPeace profile page videos on www.YouTube.com, including the above:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMouthPeace
and:
http://midpointpolitics.blogspot.com/

Please spread those around to all you know. Especially the videos on Fannie & Freddie

Palin's Pastor Urges Flock to Pray for the Press

Harry4Health »

Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The left hand sidebar states, in part:

"The Wasilla church where Democratic vice presidential candidate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, attends is promoting a program that promises to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals through the power of Jesus Christ and prayer."

This is typical liberal press simplistic, inaccurate depiction of conservative & biblicist positions and groups. Exodus, Focus on the Family, etc., do NOT *promise* change in sexual orientation. same sex attractions. It is also far more than 'power of Jesus & prayer'. All of that is believed, but way over simplistic. The AP writer needs to get a fuller understanding of what goes on & is believed , taught and practiced by Exodus International, Dobson's Focus, and other groups like them. Something beyond the GLAD, HRC, and the other GBLT (Gay/Bisexual/lesbian/transgendered) political groups. Too bad Christian post didn't revise that with a notation, or omit it. Others do not always include entire AP articles.

Osteen Arms Thousands with Hope, Not Doctrine

Harry4Health »

Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:01 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

CORRECTED: Christian Post has given the Christian community a fluff job, bias toward Osteen. His father was a big Word-Faith teacher (See charismatic author, D.R. McConnell's "A Different Gospel". Henrdrickson), and Joel is the same way. The only difference, mainly, is his dad preached it more openly & in a concentrated way. Joel O. sprinkles & adds it to his Tony Robbins approach to being a supposed pastor. He couldn't even say if the LDS/Mormon Church was Christian, and he said that Mormon & ex-governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney believes in Jesus as his savior so he believed Romney is a Christian! He also admitted he didn't know much about Mormonism. Well, then he should have passed on answering Larry King's question! He has publicly led many into the error of thinking the Mormon Church is a Christian Church, and/or thinking that if a Mormon can say the same *undefined* words, then he/she passes. The LDS Church officially teaches Father, Jesus & the 'Holy Ghost' are "three Gods" (J Smith, Ensign 3/2008), we can become Gods & be "as great as God" (LDS Melchizedek Priesthood study guide 1985, p 151. See 515-158), saved AFTER all the works we can do (BOM: 2 Nephi 25:23), etc. Titus 1:9 clearly says that elders/pastors should encourage with SOUND doctrine & REFUTE those who CONTRADICT it. Joel fails at this & his idea it isn't his gifting is baseless & anti-biblical. Christian Post & the Christian body needs to get a sound doctrinal & discerning footing. Osteen is doubly dangerous, more than his father, since he is more popular, better known & doesn't come out openly with as much blatant Word-Faith teaching, so others may adopt it without even knowing it & bends over backwards to give people what their tickling ears want to hear, which the Bible denounces. If he wants to be a 'Christian' motivational speaker, then stop being a pastor. A biblical pastor encourages & exposes those who contradict true doctrine, not being ignorant of it, he assumes terms Mormons say mean the same as when Trinitarian Christians use them.
Pastors & others, please get responsible, sound ministries that will expose these things, like Watchman Fellowship & Mormonism Researched Ministry to your church & equip Christians.

Osteen Arms Thousands with Hope, Not Doctrine

Harry4Health »

Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

CT has given the Christian community a fluff job, bias toward Osteen. His father was a big Word-Faith teacher, and Joel is the same way. The only difference, mainly, is his dad preached it more openly & in a concentrated way. Joel O. sprinkles & adds it to his Tony Robbins approach to being a supposed pastor. He couldn't even say if the LDS/Mormon Church was Christian, and he said that Mormon & ex-governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney believes in Jesus as his savior so he believed Romney is a Christian! He also admitted he didn't know much about Mormonism. Well, then he should have passed on answering Larry King's question! He has publicly led many into the error of thinking the Mormon Church is a Christian Church, and/or thinking that if a Mormon can say the same *undefined* words, then he/she passes. The LDS Church officially teaches Father, Jesus & the 'Holy Ghost' are "three Gods" (J Smith, Ensign 3/2008), we can become Gods & be "as great as God" (LDS Melchizedek Priesthood study guide 1985, p 151. See 515-158), saved AFTER all the works we can do (BOM: 2 Nephi 25:23), etc. Titus 1:9 clearly says that elders/pastors should encourage with SOUND doctrine & REFUTE those who CONTRADICT it. Joel fails at this & his idea it isn't his gifting is baseless & anti-biblical. Christianity Today needs to get a sound doctrinal & discerning footing. Osteen is doubly dangerous, more than his father, since he is more popular, better known & doesn't come out openly with as much blatant Word-Faith teaching, so others may adopt it without even knowing it & bends over backwards to give people what their tickling ears want to hear, which the Bible denounces. If he wants to be a 'Christian' motivational speaker, then stop being a pastor. A biblical pastor encourages & exposes those who contradict true doctrine, not being ignorant of it, he assumes terms Mormons say mean the same as when Trinitarian Christians mean by them.
Pastors & others, please get responsible, sound ministries that will expose these things, like Watchman Fellowship & Mormonism Researched Ministry to your church & equip Christians.

Pro-Huckabee Activists to Dissuade McCain on Romney Ticket

Harry4Health »

Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

attackdog- Read my posts, unless someone abusing & misusing the arbitrary Flag option censors me again. There is good reason why not to vote for Romney. He barely carried anything beyond his home state & a scant few others. He used the MA governorship just as a stepping stone for the presidency, flip flopped on issues & he wasn't a conservative until he decided to run for prez, then he 'saw the light', he lied & deceived about his religion (I heard him) 2-3 times in his campaign, and this is a modus operandi of his Mormon/LDS Church (I can document this, including what I heard myself on a tape by LDS apostle Packer & read it in the official LDS mag, Ensign, etc. He follows his leaders in this. If I can't trust him to be honest, upfront on his own religion, I can't trust him in his politics I wish it weren't true, since I think he speaks & holds himself well, etc., but those are the facts. I am not a believing Christian, BTW.