Jerome, why did you use the extremely disputed passage of John 8:1-11 (not in the earliest manuscripts of John, etc), and use the typical sliver of it, while ignoring salient points?: 1) NT Jesus never said it wasn't SIN. 2) You took a literal stone throwing option, and twisted it into an excuse and silencer, so others can't even say something is biblically-defined 'sin, or at least your own lis...more

Jerome, why did you use the extremely disputed passage of John 8:1-11 (not in the earliest manuscripts of John, etc), and use the typical sliver of it, while ignoring salient points?:
1) NT Jesus never said it wasn't SIN.
2) You took a literal stone throwing option, and twisted it into an excuse and silencer, so others can't even say something is biblically-defined 'sin, or at least your own list of what you don't WANT to be 'sin'.
3) He gave her GRACE & MERCY as she was guilty of SIN.
4) Jesus CALLED adultery SIN, when he showed her grace and mercy by deciding not to condemn her, but he also admonished her, actually COMMANDED her to "Go and SIN no more."
Did you miss that? Have you ever read the chapter at all? If so, you did not read it carefully enough. At all.
Was the JESUS of John 8:1-11 SINNING by judging her adultery as SIN?
If we take your opinion about the slivers you use, should we then not call adultery SIN?
It does seem like you just use the Bible to fit your desires, not using exegesis to draw out what the text actually contains.less

Jerome, #1- Jerome: Isn't calling someone a Pharisee (those who disagree with you, of course) judging? You seem to contradict yourself. Oh, and you also not only judge as in deciding, who is a Pharisee, but you also judge as in condemn all who oppose your viewpoints, etc., by SEPARATING the non-conformists FROM being a Christian, since you said "always tell a Pharisee FROM a Christian". You do...more

Jerome,
#1- Jerome:
Isn't calling someone a Pharisee (those who disagree with you, of course) judging? You seem to contradict yourself.
Oh, and you also not only judge as in deciding, who is a Pharisee, but you also judge as in condemn all who oppose your viewpoints, etc., by SEPARATING the non-conformists FROM being a Christian, since you said "always tell a Pharisee FROM a Christian".
You double contradict yourself in 1 sentence.
You end up being hypocritical, self-contradictory, and the Judge of someone's Christianity based on your Bible twisting.
I would use an actual biblical standard, which includes essential doctrinal issues of the doctrine./nature of God, including Jesus/Christology, salvation, the gospel, in Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:3-4,13-15.
Matt 7 Judging: The Greek is krinos & has different meanings. Not all judging is same. It says right after that (Matt 7:2) "For in the way you judge someone, you will be judged in the same way."
NT Jesus said you're taking care of your own life, THEN you WILL be able to TAKE the 'speck' out of another person's 'eye'.less

#2- JEROME, So, the wider meaning of the Greek word does not condemn all forms of deciding right from wrong, moral from immoral, true from false, and vs. 2 states that is is the KIND of judging you use. Paul used the same principle in Matt 7:1-3 in Rom 2:1-3. You took the few words of one verse out of it's clear immediate context. Jesus later in Matt 7:15 said "WATCH OUT FOR for FALSE prophets....more

#2- JEROME,
So, the wider meaning of the Greek word does not condemn all forms of deciding right from wrong, moral from immoral, true from false, and vs. 2 states that is is the KIND of judging you use. Paul used the same principle in Matt 7:1-3 in Rom 2:1-3.
You took the few words of one verse out of it's clear immediate context.
Jesus later in Matt 7:15 said "WATCH OUT FOR for FALSE prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are FEROCIOUS WOLVES."
He goes on to to teach JUDGE claimed prophets by the FRUITS of a prophet (vss. 15-20, also 13-20), and not everyone will have eternal life with God (vss. 21-23) .
You contradict Jesus in context of his own words in Matt 7
We cannot "LOOK out for FALSE prophets" if we cannot judge in any way or definition. We couldn't even say who are "FALSE prophets" if we can't judge/decide who fits that category, could we?
You take the verse out of its wider context of the Book/'Gospel' of Matthew.
So, the wider meaning of the Greek word does not condemn all forms of deciding right from wrong, moral from immoral, true from false, and vs. 2 states that is is the KIND of judging you use. Paul used the same principle of Matt 7:1-3 in Rom 2:1-3.
NT Jesus in John 7:24 says "Do not judge from mere appearances, but JUDGE with *righteous* JUDGMENT/JUDGE *rightly*". (NASB/ESV/NIV).
He obviously approves of judging - righteously/rightly.less

#3- Jerome: It's the meaning of Matt 7:1-3 in the wider context of Matt 7 and Rom 2:1-3. It is HOW you judge, *not* IF you should do so in any way or for any reason. Here are just a few passages that show how badly you misuse the words of NT Jesus, which is a typical liberal strategy to silence non-conformist views, beliefs, and practices: 2 Thess 5:21- TEST all things John 7:24-Jesus: JUDGE ...more

#3-
Jerome:
It's the meaning of Matt 7:1-3 in the wider context of Matt 7 and Rom 2:1-3. It is HOW you judge, *not* IF you should do so in any way or for any reason.
Here are just a few passages that show how badly you misuse the words of NT Jesus, which is a typical liberal strategy to silence non-conformist views, beliefs, and practices:
2 Thess 5:21- TEST all things
John 7:24-Jesus: JUDGE righteous JUDGMENT.
Rev 2:2- They R commended because they "TESTED" claimed apostles & found them "LIARS/FALSE".
Acts 17:11 commends the Berean Jews because they were eager to hear Paul, but before they believed what he preached, they TESTED what he said with the written scriptures to see "WHETHER" or not he was correct.
Titus 1:9- REFUTE those who CONTRADICT *sound* doctrine.
Eph 4:15- speak TRUTH in love. BIBLICAL love is NOT divorced from speaking the TRUTH.
Moses (Deut 13 & 18)
Jesus (Matt 7:15; 24:24, Jn 4:23-24)
Paul (Acts 20:28-31/1 Cor/2 Cor 11:3-5,13-15/Gal 1:6-9 & all Gal/Eph 5:10-11/Titus 1:9)
Peter (2 Peter), Jude (Jude 3, all Jude)
John (John 4:23-24/1 Jn, Rev 2:2)
exposed immorality (1 Cor 5; 6:9-10, etc), error/false teachers & told Christians to do so- in and outside of Christianity, as the Bible shows. Paul named names 3 times.
Ps 119:104 says: "Through Your precepts I get understanding; THEREFORE I HATE every FALSE *way*."less

#4-- JEROME: Also, You conveniently invent how many commands Jesus gave. He NEVER said the only one was love one another". Sorry. "Love God with all your heart[etc]" He commanded to "BEWARE of FALSE prophets" I could list more. He also said: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but from EVERY word that proceeds from God.' "Sanctify them [Christians] through YOUR [God the Father's] truth. YO...more

#4--
JEROME:
Also, You conveniently invent how many commands Jesus gave. He NEVER said the only one was love one another". Sorry.
"Love God with all your heart[etc]"
He commanded to "BEWARE of FALSE prophets"
I could list more.
He also said:
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but from EVERY word that proceeds from God.'
"Sanctify them [Christians] through YOUR [God the Father's] truth. YOUR word is TRUTH."
Summary:
You ignore the scope of the Greek word and therefore the verse itself, the immediate context of Matt 7:1-3, the wider context of Matt 7, as well as the even wider context of the Book of Matthew, the entire New Testament itself. You end up having NT Jesus contradicting NT Jesus - in Matthew and Matthew 7 with John 7:24, etc.
You violate 2 Tim 2:15 (NASB):
"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does NOT need to be ASHAMED, *ACCURATELY* handling the word of truth. "
You simply grab at bits of the Bible to pseudo-'support' what you desire to believe.
To adapt your words:
"You can always tell a Pharisee from a Christian. A Pharisee ...will ignore the words of Jesus, 'Do not judge from mere appearances, but JUDGE with *righteous* JUDGMENT/JUDGE *rightly*'."
"If a person who ignores [the immediate context and wider teachings] of Jesus [and contradicts himself on not 'judging', while he] judges another, how can he have any credibility at all?"less