An Improper Attack on Religion

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Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Well, I submitted a detailed comment but the Christian Post seems to have a problem with posting my comments or losing them.

An Improper Attack on Religion

ICtheLight »

Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Quoting Forgivensinner:

"IC,The Creation account does recount God making the stars. Are you so sure God did not create matter for it's purpose? I lean toward understanding how God created stars to continue to form. God says He made light and the sun, moon and stars to eluminate and reflect that light."

I'm sure that what you refer to as "God" didn't create stars because I know that all deities are contradictions of observable reality. Astrophysicists can explain how stars form from the simple accretion of matter under gravitational force.

I think you meant illuminate not eluminate. Also, I'm conversant on bible lore.

An Improper Attack on Religion

ICtheLight »

Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Forgivensinner, you asked: "IC, where was matter made? God of the Bible does say He made the stars."

Matter is eternal: energy equals mass times the speed of light squared: E=mc^2. Matter is not made but it is transformable into energy and back again. It is matter that is eternal and uncreated not deities. Do you have any evidence that bibledeity created stars? Stars form when enough matter under the immense pressure of gravity causes a thermonuclear reaction. Deities have nothing to do with it.

An Improper Attack on Religion

ICtheLight »

Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Quoting forgivensinner: "IC, except there are many that aren't sure as you and would like to hear what God has to say.

Do you proscribe to the theory we just appeared from nothing? Personally this was the clincher for me."

Most of these comments border on the absurd. I have no idea what you mean by "God." The deity of the bible has a name. Jahweh or Jehovah or Elohim are some of the ones I remember. But "he" never speaks-outside of accounts in the bible. I don't know of a theory that we appeared from nothing...wait, isn't that what your bible says? Or was there something in the void? Einstein's E=mc^2 has been proven therefore matter is eternal and transformable into energy. We are star stuff.

An Improper Attack on Religion

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Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Quoting Blacksho89:

"I'd say that spam posting atheist screeds on a Christian news site is a hostile act. And yet...we respond by asking you to feel the love of Jesus Christ, who died for you, that you may have life eternal!"

Spam? Hostile act? I commented on this article. It isn't spam. It hasn't been mass mailed to millions of people. It wasn't unsolicited-this site allows people to comment. How could commenting be considered hostile? And of course, I don't believe that there was a Jesus, so the rest is meaningless.

An Improper Attack on Religion

ICtheLight »

Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Quoting jbforgy: "If you were sleeping in a burning building and someone told you to wake up and flee the fire, would you call that 'hostile'?"

I would if that someone had started the fire.

An Improper Attack on Religion

ICtheLight »

Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Quoting forgivensinner: "I have a simply solution ~ share your faith, invite folks to church or a bible study."

That's not going to work. We know your stories, we were raised in your churches, we went to bible studies. We didn't believe that Christianity was consistent with reality. We concluded that there are no deities, that there is no afterlife, that life in the real world is a struggle and that the only way to make it better is to strive to do so ourselves and that the best way to do that is to assiduously pursue the truth and always align ourselves with it, then to fight against those who want to censor it. Real things don't need arguments to convince us they exist. No one doubts that all of the artifacts of the real world exist...here's the fountain I dropped my glasses in, the water has cleared the lenses, the water is 28 degrees Celsius. The fountain, the glasses, the water and it's temperature present themselves to all who care to look and need no arguments to convince those who do not believe in them because there are no such people. The same does not apply for deities, heaven, hell, angels, demons, sin and the rest of the supernatural milieu.

An Improper Attack on Religion

ICtheLight »

Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

The answer for all of you is to cease and desist from insinuating your religious symbols into the "public square," any place that is shared equally by the citizens of the community.

So, if Christians want to install creches or if Jews want to install menorahs then some atheists will oppose them and they have the right and obligation to do so. Shouldn't atheists follow the dictates of their consciences?

Quoting typique1: "It isn't a bunch of misdirected "do gooders" just wanting inclusion. These people are specifically and systematically purposing to drive Christianity out of America and its history. Swaying public opinion by using popular media to spread their propaganda is exactly what they're doing."

Why is it that so often I see this opinion expressed by Christians that assume that only Christian viewpoints should be permitted to be expressed? Christians use the popular media to spread their propaganda don't they? In fact Christians do it millions of times more frequently than atheists are able to. I could go on and on about how frequently and pervasively the Christian message is presented in our society but unless you aren't paying attention, the argument is moot. We aren't "misdirected do gooders" because we have what is right on our side. We have the right to free speech. We have the right to criticize the intrusion of religious symbols (in the U.S.A., they are almost always Judeo-Christian symbols) into the public square. So atheists will use the same rights that Christians claim for themselves and will put up their Solstice sign and if Christians find the message disrespectful or hateful or offensive then they will getting a dose of how atheists feel about Christianity and it's message. In regards to your paranoia about "driv[ing] Christianity out of America," atheists support the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, we support the rights of Christians to worship in any manner they choose in their homes and their churches, where I believe they are biblically compelled. Just be glad that atheists aren't trying to supplant Christianity by "doing unto others" the way Christians did to supplant pagan religions. We aren't under any divine command to destroy your temples and kill you, your children, your wives, yea, even your cattle but save your virgin girls for ourselves. No we just want to gently nudge all religion into the dustbins of history. It is inevitable and there is nothing that anyone can do to stop it. Jesus ain't ever gonna come back.