Amaranth, If Repentance is Key, then you do not accept by Faith alone do you then? Your opinion of Marriage is not important. What is important is what the scripture says about it, and to God it is Sacred and you may not have more than one marriage unless your spouce dies, then you may remarry. Marriage is for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health till...more

Amaranth,

If Repentance is Key, then you do not accept by Faith alone do you then?

Your opinion of Marriage is not important. What is important is what the scripture says about it, and to God it is Sacred and you may not have more than one marriage unless your spouce dies, then you may remarry.

Marriage is for better or for worse, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health till DEATH DO YOU PART. These phrases are all supported by scripture.

Could you show me where you can marry as much as you want? Could you also show me how your be married more than once isn't adultery?less

Amaranth, You said IF THEY(fornicators) REPENT, they will be saved. I agree. What if they won't repent and still believe and accept Jesus? Will they still be saved without repentance? Isn't a second marriage adultery? Last time I checked in the Holy Word of God, we can only be married once. So, no matter your reason and no matter how unfair isn't a second marriage in the eyes of God Adulter...more

Amaranth,

You said IF THEY(fornicators) REPENT, they will be saved. I agree. What if they won't repent and still believe and accept Jesus? Will they still be saved without repentance?

Isn't a second marriage adultery? Last time I checked in the Holy Word of God, we can only be married once. So, no matter your reason and no matter how unfair isn't a second marriage in the eyes of God Adultery?less

Can anyone answer this question? Can an ACTIVELY homosexual person who has accepted Christ as their savior be saved? Or is it impossible to be an active homosexual and have faith at the same time?

Hiskid, Your writing skills are extremely poor. Your sentences are disjointed with many fragments and you have a lot of spelling errors. If you want to communicate these important scriptural truths to homosexualman, then please take your time in writing so he can understand your message. Maybe you should put your post on a Word document first, then the computer can fix your errors, and t...more

Hiskid,

Your writing skills are extremely poor. Your sentences are disjointed with many fragments and you have a lot of spelling errors.

If you want to communicate these important scriptural truths to homosexualman, then please take your time in writing so he can understand your message.

Maybe you should put your post on a Word document first, then the computer can fix your errors, and then you can re-post it here.

We all make a few mistakes here and there, but your consistent errors are a bit much.less

Believer, What you wrote made no sense at all. I think you are confused. Homosexual attraction is a disorder, and it is not their fault as it is a result of a fallen world because of original sin. They won't get sent to hell because of this disorder, but they may if they act on this disorder and stay in this sin up until death without repentance. God wills no one to be sent to hell. But a ho...more

Believer,

What you wrote made no sense at all. I think you are confused. Homosexual attraction is a disorder, and it is not their fault as it is a result of a fallen world because of original sin. They won't get sent to hell because of this disorder, but they may if they act on this disorder and stay in this sin up until death without repentance.

God wills no one to be sent to hell. But a homosexual person who believes in Christ and yet does not repent from this act should be saved in Faith alone world, right?less

Johavanissi, Thanks for taking a crack at my question. If a homosexual can be saved, then where is the repentance if they are still active in this sin and are not sorry for it? In terms of the second question, if no one knows the Word of God or can understand it, then the Bible as your only authority is bogus is it not?

Garageguy, Don't feel like you are alone. Anyone who is in their second marriage or third may not receive the Kingdom of Heaven either if they persist in this sinful action. Also, single persons who fornicate outside of marriage may not enter Heaven either if they persist in this grave sin. This is why the road to hell is wide.

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent." Homosexual sex is grave sinful matter, says the scriptures, says Sacred Tradition, says the Catholic Church.

garageguy, If you are not Catholic, you don't have to accept it. If you are Catholic you must accept it. There is no gray area on this within the Catholic Church. Because of original sin, humanity has received in many different ways disorders that affect the life of a human. Homosexual attraction is a disorder from original sin. Some have other disorders like alcoholism, lust, greed and the ...more

garageguy,

If you are not Catholic, you don't have to accept it. If you are Catholic you must accept it. There is no gray area on this within the Catholic Church.

Because of original sin, humanity has received in many different ways disorders that affect the life of a human. Homosexual attraction is a disorder from original sin. Some have other disorders like alcoholism, lust, greed and the other deadly sins. Homosexuality is a disorder and you must never act upon it.

If you continue in homosexual activity, you will not be saved says the Catholic Church.less

Catechism of the Catholic Church states: 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill Go...more

Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.less

Garageguy, While having homosexual attraction is not a sin in the Catholic Church, it is a disorder. However, if you are actively homosexual then you are in a state of Mortal Sin and without repentance and confession you will go to hell.

With the Bible alone, hman can use scripture against your understanding of scripture since their is no final authority in your system of bible alone. In the Catholic System handed down by the Apostles, the Bishop of Rome with the other bishops in communion with him are the final interpreter of truth from the scriptures and the oral tradition from God. This is why Catholics will never have to vo...more

With the Bible alone, hman can use scripture against your understanding of scripture since their is no final authority in your system of bible alone.

In the Catholic System handed down by the Apostles, the Bishop of Rome with the other bishops in communion with him are the final interpreter of truth from the scriptures and the oral tradition from God. This is why Catholics will never have to vote on this each and every other year. 1Tim3:15.

In the Catholic system, if two members of the body disagree they can bring it to the church hierarchy and then it is decided. The Decision will be final as Truth is not relative.less

Believer, Just answer the question. If it is faith without works and righteousness is imputed and no one can ever lose their salvation based on your tradition's assumption, then would a homosexual who has faith in Christ for his or her salvation be saved? I know of many homosexuals who have left the Catholic Church because of the Church's unwavering position. They accepted the Protestant view o...more

Believer,

Just answer the question. If it is faith without works and righteousness is imputed and no one can ever lose their salvation based on your tradition's assumption, then would a homosexual who has faith in Christ for his or her salvation be saved? I know of many homosexuals who have left the Catholic Church because of the Church's unwavering position. They accepted the Protestant view of Faith alone, because once they believe in Christ there is nothing(even their own sinfulness)that can sepparate them from God. They believe that they can sin all they want, and all they have to do is believe and they will be saved since works are no longer important for salvation. They like the faith alone doctrine because it allows them to call themselves Christians.


I will tell you, from a Catholic standpoint and from the Catechism, that if a homosexual is active then they will not enter into Heaven since they are committing a mortal sin. Their actions show how they reject God's grace.less

I would like to posit a question to all the Faith and Bible alone subscribers. Can active Homosexual person be saved if they have faith in Christ? Second question, if a Homosexual person used the scriptures to negate your position on his/her lifestyle and interprets differently The Word of God, then who or what is the final authority since the Bible is not self-interpreting?

Believer, you are hilarious the way you avoid questions and how you use rhetoric. So, these remnants of good Christians in Rome who were not Catholics show me where they are historically or is this just a figment of your immagination? Show me how the Catholic Church was different in their worship or beliefs from the 2nd century to the 4th. Show me how there was any difference in faith and pr...more

Believer, you are hilarious the way you avoid questions and how you use rhetoric.

So, these remnants of good Christians in Rome who were not Catholics show me where they are historically or is this just a figment of your immagination?

Show me how the Catholic Church was different in their worship or beliefs from the 2nd century to the 4th. Show me how there was any difference in faith and practice.

Baptist worship is no where to be found in the bible and catholic worship is all scripture and comes from the Apostles. I think baptists fit the "Traditions of Men" thing much better than Catholics. So many baptist churches falling the way side with the Prosperity Gospel and seeker friendly sermons that are fluff.less

Believer, Nice try in avoiding Chas' question. Could you show me, since you didn't for Chas where the bad rituals in 325ad came in then? I think we are all still waiting?

Online I say Amen to those passages, but not to your understanding of them. These passages neither support your position, nor deny my position. In the bible and with the early Christians, if one brother does something that is wrong against you then you bring a witness as I have done having MSN witness to you, and if you are still persisting in your error or ways that lead you from Truth the...more

Online

I say Amen to those passages, but not to your understanding of them. These passages neither support your position, nor deny my position.

In the bible and with the early Christians, if one brother does something that is wrong against you then you bring a witness as I have done having MSN witness to you, and if you are still persisting in your error or ways that lead you from Truth then I will bring another witness which was Chas.

If you still won't listen and continue to sin against me by bearing false witness then, the Bible says take that person to the Church to be admonished and if you still won't listen treat you as a Pagan or Tax collector.

My friend in Christ, you still produce error after error and the Church as the bible says has the final authority.
The Church is the hierarchy set up by Christ which is the Apostles and then the Bishops. The Catholic Bishops say you are wrong, so you must submit or otherwise you are a Pagan or Tax Collector.

You have had your chances Online, and yet you will not stop your sinning against me by bearing false witness about what I believe.less

Yes, online the Pope's favorite title is "Servant of the Servants of God". If Peter has primacy show in scripture and tradition, then because of the Keys the successor of his office has that primacy as well. Do the math. All of the ancient churches accept this primacy of the Pope's office, by virtue of the Keys being established on Peter. Again, ask yourself how did all the other churches...more

Yes, online the Pope's favorite title is "Servant of the Servants of God".

If Peter has primacy show in scripture and tradition, then because of the Keys the successor of his office has that primacy as well. Do the math.

All of the ancient churches accept this primacy of the Pope's office, by virtue of the Keys being established on Peter.

Again, ask yourself how did all the other churches besides the Catholic Church all get it wrong and your church got it right 1700 years after Jesus began his church?

It does beg the question, even if you can't see it.less

HSKID, So, after the Council of Nicea all the other councils were wrong? Are you saying that after 325 the church was all corrupt? Does that mean that a corrupt church, chose the 27 books of the New Testament? Does that mean then you don't believe in the Trinity or that the Holy Spirit is God? Does that also mean you don't believe that Jesus is fully divine and fully human at the same time t...more

HSKID,

So, after the Council of Nicea all the other councils were wrong?

Are you saying that after 325 the church was all corrupt? Does that mean that a corrupt church, chose the 27 books of the New Testament? Does that mean then you don't believe in the Trinity or that the Holy Spirit is God? Does that also mean you don't believe that Jesus is fully divine and fully human at the same time then?

Your head is probably spinning right now, so I let you digest this and get back to me in a week or so.less

USASOCCER, I come from Southern Baptist Convention and Non-Denominational Churches. I am not arrogant in the least, but just wanted you to know that you simply can not pick up the bible and know exactly what it says. Education is a tool to help us understand the original greek in exegetical discussions. I have worshipped much like you all my life, and it is not biblical nor is it apostolic ...more

USASOCCER,

I come from Southern Baptist Convention and Non-Denominational Churches. I am not arrogant in the least, but just wanted you to know that you simply can not pick up the bible and know exactly what it says. Education is a tool to help us understand the original greek in exegetical discussions.

I have worshipped much like you all my life, and it is not biblical nor is it apostolic but rather it is something that was developed by men in the anabaptist/congregationalist traditions over the last few centuries. All I am saying is that the Catholic Mass and the Orthodox Divine Liturgy comes directly from the Apostles and your form of worship does not. Therefore, baptist and non-denominational worship is contrary to the Word of God and Apostolic Tradition. We know this for a fact by reading the earliest accounts of Christians and how THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS PREACHED AND WHAT WAS WRITTEN. If your understanding of worship is at odds with the earliest christians, then you are wrong.

I have seen countless undereducated people leave the Catholic Church and become Protestant and I have seen many of the most educated Protestants and Evangelicals become Catholics. Education isn't a bad thing and coupled with prayer will lead you towards the Truth which is in its fullness in the Catholic Church, the pillar and foundation of Truth.less